As I mentioned before, Apple is shipping Leopard to both their internal timeline and with one eye looking at Vista.
Overall, Apple can release leopard in March-April 2007. That's just 5 months away. That gives them time to deliver clean 10.4.8 and 10.4.9 and maybe 10.4.10 to finalize Tiger Intel/PPC and and clean up niggling issues with all the Intel machines eg. heat/ fan issues. Also, this gives Apple time to focus on delivering hardware to meet demand going into Christmas Oct-Dec 2006 season. Particularly with a, IMHO, very definite iPod update THIS MONTH or early Oct LATEST.
Looking at Macworld 2007, I don't think Leopard will be released then as they've given a preview already, and like I said, from now to March/April it's about 5 months. Macworld 2007 IMO will be awesome since by the end of this year, the Intel transition is complete, Merom upgrades will be in the pipeline or delivered and a new iPod line should be out. Macworld 2007 will be huge to take things to the next level, past the excellent Apple achievements this year.
Look, with Vista, it's a complete mess. Even if it trickles out before the end of this year, it is going to be buggy as hell. MS IMO WILL NOT have the time to market Vista as the big consumer software/ hardware upgrade thing for this Christmas season. Vista will only be a (barely) reasonable proposition for enterprise/ consumer in Jan-Mar 2007 EARLIEST.
Apple is eons ahead of Windows, Vista is a struggling lame cow with one bad knee and bloodshot eyes, with its tail up its a$$.
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If it is further delayed, it will come out around the time 10.5 will be due.
Yes, I think this is what is going to happen. 10.5 and Vista (major campaign push and full release to hardware builders) around March/April 2007. In any case, Vista is still going to be buggy 5 months for now.
Let's also not forget last-minute features cobbled into Vista now that quite a lot of info on Leopard is out in plain sight. Leopard: "Time Machine". Vista: something like "Back To The Future". Leopard: "Spaces". Vista: "Vistas"
Leopard itself is going to be three to six months late. Last year, Jobs said that Leopard would be available by the end of the year to early next year. then they moved the Dev Conf back by three months, and he announced that it would be available in the Spring, which can mean anything between March 20th to June 20th.
If Apple hadn't had a delay, it might have mattered somewhat.
I don't believe Leopard was delayed, I think they could have had it done for end of year, but after Vista was delayed *again, Apple decided to take advantage of that and put more features into the release. Could be wrong - but that would be a first.
I don't believe Leopard was delayed, I think they could have had it done for end of year, but after Vista was delayed *again, Apple decided to take advantage of that and put more features into the release. Could be wrong - but that would be a first.
No, I really don't believe that. If you read the reports coming out about Leopard, it has problems. Crashing, etc.
I also believe the reason why we didn't see more of the so called secret features was because they were too buggy to show. Pure and simple.
MS has no time to even think about adding features that they haven't been coding for at least a year already. They can't even include features they have been coding for 5 years?features the OS was supposed to be written around.
Don't forget that they had to abandon their code base in, I think, 2004, and go to their server code base for the current version.
Adding features now would set them back until January 2008, at least.
Actually BTW from a gaming perspective we're looking at mid-2007 for things to take of with DirectX 10 and juicy 90nm/ 65nm(??) multi-GPUs running on sexy Intel Cores. I look forward to that aspect of Vista, though hopefully the friggin PS3 will be out by then....!??!!1one!!!
SideNote: PS3 supposed to ship November 2006. Hopefully PS3 will be much more affordable by the time it comes for PC gamers to move up to Vista and DirectX 10 hardware. I expect to jump ship from PC gaming to PS3 middle of next year...
Geez, Vista *has* to ship with built-in antivirus, antispyware, antimalware and strong firewall. It just has to do that out of the box. I can't imagine it wouldn't, but I can imagine it would with some pretty bloated and convoluted nonsense for setting up and managing updates for all that anti-everything stuff.
Geez, Vista *has* to ship with built-in antivirus, antispyware, antimalware and strong firewall. It just has to do that out of the box. I can't imagine it wouldn't, but I can imagine it would with some pretty bloated and convoluted nonsense for setting up and managing updates for all that anti-everything stuff.
MS does now have built-in, sort of, software for that, but it's considered to be very basic. Like Disk Utitlity is for us.
There's "Security Center" or something in WinXP2pro AFAIK where it tries to assess for different areas whether you have an Antivirus program installed, whether your Firewall is on, etc, all with the usual annoying pop-up nagging. What I do is simply disable the Security Center service, have Avast http://www.avast.com/ running (it kicks Symantec's bloated a$$) and Windows Firewall on. And that's enough for my peace of mind. Avast is all you need. And the built-in Windows Firewall, that's well, enough.
Vista is sure to have again, like I said, some sort of convoluted "Security and Update Center" system in place on shipping. I dread to have to deal with it when the time comes. And a lot of
"are you sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"look, this could be super-evil malware that will reformat your hard drive even though it says "pretty puppy pictures.jpg". Are you absolutely definitely no-fracking-around sure you want to "look" at this "picture"??????????" click OK
"okay, i warned you"
...............................click OK
*VISTA BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH*
motherboard, hard disk, and your pet cat get fried. muah haha hah hah hahah hah a
"Are you absolutely definitely no-fracking-around sure you want to "look" at this "picture"??????????" click OK
A) +10 points for Battlestar Galactica reference. Frack yeah!
Yes, Vista's most recent pre-RC1 build still has the security center. Not much changed from XP. Well, the colors are different. And the fonts. Mostly it.
There's "Security Center" or something in WinXP2pro AFAIK where it tries to assess for different areas whether you have an Antivirus program installed, whether your Firewall is on, etc, all with the usual annoying pop-up nagging. What I do is simply disable the Security Center service, have Avast http://www.avast.com/ running (it kicks Symantec's bloated a$$) and Windows Firewall on. And that's enough for my peace of mind. Avast is all you need. And the built-in Windows Firewall, that's well, enough.
Vista is sure to have again, like I said, some sort of convoluted "Security and Update Center" system in place on shipping. I dread to have to deal with it when the time comes. And a lot of
"are you sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"look, this could be super-evil malware that will reformat your hard drive even though it says "pretty puppy pictures.jpg". Are you absolutely definitely no-fracking-around sure you want to "look" at this "picture"??????????" click OK
"okay, i warned you"
...............................click OK
*VISTA BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH*
motherboard, hard disk, and your pet cat get fried. muah haha hah hah hahah hah a
But vista has MS's new virus, trojan horse, spyware software buily-in. That is a significant difference from XP.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's been much discussed around the web for almost a year.
According to the software, Office is spyware, and it won't allow virus checking software to be installed. But, even without it, there's a low level problem.
But vista has MS's new virus, trojan horse, spyware software built-in. That is a significant difference from XP...I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's been much discussed around the web for almost a year...
Yeah, I haven't followed it closely for some reason and it hasn't popped up in some of the PC enthusiast sites/ mags I've been following (mainly past few months the PC world has been creaming themselves over how fracking awesome Core2 (Conroe) and the lower-ghz versions as well (Allendale - Core2 1.86ghz can be easily overclocked to 3.3ghz..!!!).
But yeah I anticipate a new "Security and Update Center" that will have that anti-everything built-in, that will still be a mess.
Sorry, actually I haven't played with Vista or read-up much about it, just that it's my favourite fluffy punching-bag.
I have been following some screenshots though, including that "7-steps to delete a shortcut" screenshots, my favourite.
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Overall, Apple can release leopard in March-April 2007. That's just 5 months away. That gives them time to deliver clean 10.4.8 and 10.4.9 and maybe 10.4.10 to finalize Tiger Intel/PPC and and clean up niggling issues with all the Intel machines eg. heat/ fan issues. Also, this gives Apple time to focus on delivering hardware to meet demand going into Christmas Oct-Dec 2006 season. Particularly with a, IMHO, very definite iPod update THIS MONTH or early Oct LATEST.
Looking at Macworld 2007, I don't think Leopard will be released then as they've given a preview already, and like I said, from now to March/April it's about 5 months. Macworld 2007 IMO will be awesome since by the end of this year, the Intel transition is complete, Merom upgrades will be in the pipeline or delivered and a new iPod line should be out. Macworld 2007 will be huge to take things to the next level, past the excellent Apple achievements this year.
Look, with Vista, it's a complete mess. Even if it trickles out before the end of this year, it is going to be buggy as hell. MS IMO WILL NOT have the time to market Vista as the big consumer software/ hardware upgrade thing for this Christmas season. Vista will only be a (barely) reasonable proposition for enterprise/ consumer in Jan-Mar 2007 EARLIEST.
Apple is eons ahead of Windows, Vista is a struggling lame cow with one bad knee and bloodshot eyes, with its tail up its a$$.
If it is further delayed, it will come out around the time 10.5 will be due.
Yes, I think this is what is going to happen. 10.5 and Vista (major campaign push and full release to hardware builders) around March/April 2007. In any case, Vista is still going to be buggy 5 months for now.
March-April 2007. That's just 5 months away.
I think you've forgotten about some months there, Sunil
September
October
November
December
January
February
March
April
So, I make March - April 2007 to be between 6 and 8 months away, depending upon whether we are talking about beginning of March or end of April.
I think you've forgotten about some months there, Sunil
September
October
November
December
January
February
March
April
So, I make March - April 2007 to be between 6 and 8 months away, depending upon whether we are talking about beginning of March or end of April.
Well, excluding September, it's just Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb to the start of March. So 5 months away
My silliness aside, okay, yeah IMHO I see Apple looking at 6 months from today as a target.
I know I definitely would rather that they do that than rush it to try and coincide with Vista.
I know I definitely would rather that they do that than rush it to try and coincide with Vista.
I don't think anyone has to rush to try and coincide with Vista
Leopard itself is going to be three to six months late. Last year, Jobs said that Leopard would be available by the end of the year to early next year. then they moved the Dev Conf back by three months, and he announced that it would be available in the Spring, which can mean anything between March 20th to June 20th.
If Apple hadn't had a delay, it might have mattered somewhat.
I don't believe Leopard was delayed, I think they could have had it done for end of year, but after Vista was delayed *again, Apple decided to take advantage of that and put more features into the release. Could be wrong - but that would be a first.
I don't believe Leopard was delayed, I think they could have had it done for end of year, but after Vista was delayed *again, Apple decided to take advantage of that and put more features into the release. Could be wrong - but that would be a first.
No, I really don't believe that. If you read the reports coming out about Leopard, it has problems. Crashing, etc.
I also believe the reason why we didn't see more of the so called secret features was because they were too buggy to show. Pure and simple.
MS has no time to even think about adding features that they haven't been coding for at least a year already. They can't even include features they have been coding for 5 years?features the OS was supposed to be written around.
Don't forget that they had to abandon their code base in, I think, 2004, and go to their server code base for the current version.
Adding features now would set them back until January 2008, at least.
I know I definitely would rather that they do that than rush it to try and coincide with Vista.
Well that won't matter now, will it, seeing as Vista will never ship, as you say?
One major problem is that virus checking software doen't work with it yet, and who knows when it will?
Not major, but definitely an issue to be resolved for the overall reputation of the OS.
Not major, but definitely an issue to be resolved for the overall reputation of the OS.
This is considered to be pretty major.
Geez, Vista *has* to ship with built-in antivirus, antispyware, antimalware and strong firewall. It just has to do that out of the box. I can't imagine it wouldn't, but I can imagine it would with some pretty bloated and convoluted nonsense for setting up and managing updates for all that anti-everything stuff.
MS does now have built-in, sort of, software for that, but it's considered to be very basic. Like Disk Utitlity is for us.
It has also had its problems with accuracy, etc.
Vista is sure to have again, like I said, some sort of convoluted "Security and Update Center" system in place on shipping. I dread to have to deal with it when the time comes. And a lot of
"are you sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"look, this could be super-evil malware that will reformat your hard drive even though it says "pretty puppy pictures.jpg". Are you absolutely definitely no-fracking-around sure you want to "look" at this "picture"??????????" click OK
"okay, i warned you"
...............................click OK
*VISTA BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH*
motherboard, hard disk, and your pet cat get fried. muah haha hah hah hahah hah a
"Are you absolutely definitely no-fracking-around sure you want to "look" at this "picture"??????????" click OK
A) +10 points for Battlestar Galactica reference. Frack yeah!
There's "Security Center" or something in WinXP2pro AFAIK where it tries to assess for different areas whether you have an Antivirus program installed, whether your Firewall is on, etc, all with the usual annoying pop-up nagging. What I do is simply disable the Security Center service, have Avast http://www.avast.com/ running (it kicks Symantec's bloated a$$) and Windows Firewall on. And that's enough for my peace of mind. Avast is all you need. And the built-in Windows Firewall, that's well, enough.
Vista is sure to have again, like I said, some sort of convoluted "Security and Update Center" system in place on shipping. I dread to have to deal with it when the time comes. And a lot of
"are you sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"are you really really sure you want to do this?" click OK
"look, this could be super-evil malware that will reformat your hard drive even though it says "pretty puppy pictures.jpg". Are you absolutely definitely no-fracking-around sure you want to "look" at this "picture"??????????" click OK
"okay, i warned you"
...............................click OK
*VISTA BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH*
motherboard, hard disk, and your pet cat get fried. muah haha hah hah hahah hah a
But vista has MS's new virus, trojan horse, spyware software buily-in. That is a significant difference from XP.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's been much discussed around the web for almost a year.
According to the software, Office is spyware, and it won't allow virus checking software to be installed. But, even without it, there's a low level problem.
But vista has MS's new virus, trojan horse, spyware software built-in. That is a significant difference from XP...I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's been much discussed around the web for almost a year...
Yeah, I haven't followed it closely for some reason and it hasn't popped up in some of the PC enthusiast sites/ mags I've been following (mainly past few months the PC world has been creaming themselves over how fracking awesome Core2 (Conroe) and the lower-ghz versions as well (Allendale - Core2 1.86ghz can be easily overclocked to 3.3ghz..!!!).
But yeah I anticipate a new "Security and Update Center" that will have that anti-everything built-in, that will still be a mess.
Sorry, actually I haven't played with Vista or read-up much about it, just that it's my favourite fluffy punching-bag.
I have been following some screenshots though, including that "7-steps to delete a shortcut" screenshots, my favourite.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=63996
Anyone has a link to screenshots of how the anti-everything Security Center is supposed to look like in Vista?