So it seems Vista does have Core Video / Image equivalents after all. Still not sure about Audio (does Vista have an utlra-low latency Audio framework? I think I heard rumblings about that a while ago) and Data.
Not sure about Audio. I know Vista has a new audio stack.
Fine, so it has some Core Image-like features. So far, I have seen nothing in Vista that actually makes any apparent use of this.
If I had to guess I'd say a number of the animation effects in Vista use WPF.
Point is simply that Vista is following along a very, very similar road as Apple.
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Sounds more like Quartz Compositor to me.
Hmm, I don't think so, Quartz Compositor is just for making screen-savers and the like, no? Expression Designer etc. is more full-featured than that. But not knowing more about CoreAnimation it's hard to compare the two.
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To be sure, Vista has various interesting features, and some of the Setup program has finally left the 1980s. For the most part, though, color me unimpressed.
Yeah, it's hard to see how any Mac user would be wowed by Vista. We've been doing this stuff for *years* now.
My favorite thing about Vista so far is the breadcrumb bar. Nice design. But if that's all I can say about MS's work in the past 5 years, that's a bit sad.
If I had to guess I'd say a number of the animation effects in Vista use WPF.
Well of course, or else they wouldn't have anti-aliasing, but whether they're predefined animations that are available to third-party developers as an API is another matter.
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Point is simply that Vista is following along a very, very similar road as Apple.
Well, yes, no doubt.
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Hmm, I don't think so, Quartz Compositor is just for making screen-savers and the like, no?
Sure, you can build screen savers with QC, but, to give you another example: a large part of Photo Booth is built with Quartz Compositor.
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Yeah, it's hard to see how any Mac user would be wowed by Vista. We've been doing this stuff for *years* now.
Most of it, anyhow.
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My favorite thing about Vista so far is the breadcrumb bar. Nice design. But if that's all I can say about MS's work in the past 5 years, that's a bit sad.
Heh The breadcrumb bar goes in the right direction, but I've found it to be somewhat unpredictable to use. Might have to get used to it more first.
Contrary to melgross, I'm quite satisfied with performance.
The idea with Sparkle is that a user creates their UI and exports it as XAML (XML for applications). XAML can be used to describe virtually anything visually. It's resolution independent and can handle 3D formats (3D Studio, Maya, etc.). Then someone would use Visual Studio 2005 to create the C# or VB.net for the coding make use of the XAML as a resource. It's very similar to what DesktopX does.
It wraps 3D objects in XAML to embed these 3D Objects within it. Since these are already vector objects it just adds their xml description to it's xml file. It doesn't generate (render/plot and create) them.
What the hell that has to do with OpenGL accelerated 3D animation is news to the world.
Technicalities aside(already elaborated by others)..
Do you know what flash is??? It's like you're saying a GPU wasn't ment to draw and move objects based on a mathematical formula. I suppose you graphics card was never ment to play games either.
Technicalities aside(already elaborated by others)..
Do you know what flash is??? It's like you're saying a GPU wasn't ment to draw and move objects based on a mathematical formula. I suppose you graphics card was never ment to play games either.
Yes I know what it is. Vectors are more than just scalars with direction in OpenGL.
If I want to model FEM on biomechanics and other organic structures, or inorganic structures I can easily apply OpenGL frameworks to do this.
Sparkle is not designed to address Engineering solutions to dynamic system modeling.
CoreAnimation can be applied to such solutions.
Since most of the Internet is consumed with cute Vector graphics in their most primitive sense its easy to not see how they differ.
So, it seems like Vista, lo and behold, may actually make its (latest) ship date. It's looking like they finally got the train back on the rails.
I'm curious how Apple will deal with the Vista juggernaut coming this January (or very early '07 at least).
Here's my guess:
- Vista release in Jan/Feb '07
- Apple response: the "real" Leopard preview for MWSF, 18+ mo. in the making: "top secret" juicy CoreAnimation-powered UI overhaul with a collection of attention-grabbing features (mmmmm), official spring launch date announced
A bigger question is how will Apple respond to every new Windows machine now coming with a fairly snazzy-looking OS (minus a fair amount of charm and elegance, of course) and a crude but passable version of iLife (for those who don't know any better). Eventually Apple will need some new ideas to lure users from Windows.
So, it seems like Vista, lo and behold, may actually make its (latest) ship date. It's looking like they finally got the train back on the rails.
I'm curious how Apple will deal with the Vista juggernaut coming this January (or very early '07 at least).
Here's my guess:
- Vista release in Jan/Feb '07
- Apple response: the "real" Leopard preview for MWSF, 18+ mo. in the making: "top secret" juicy CoreAnimation-powered UI overhaul with a collection of attention-grabbing features (mmmmm), official spring launch date announced
A bigger question is how will Apple respond to every new Windows machine now coming with a fairly snazzy-looking OS (minus a fair amount of charm and elegance, of course) and a crude but passable version of iLife (for those who don't know any better). Eventually Apple will need some new ideas to lure users from Windows.
One thing will be how effective MS's new security software is. Hackers have already broken into the kernel. So without several security packages immediatly available, it could be interesting.
If there are any well publicised security problems before Apple releases 10.5, it could make a difference.
Well we know from the get-go Vista will have security issues. The is a Fact unless you've been under a rock(and neither is it trolling)
This is due to backward compatiblity with XP and 98 programs. Certain securities must be turned off to get certain programs to work. Thus programs will need to be updated(or stopped using)
IE should be much more patched, so, that's better, still, activeX is still around.
The network stack is rewritten, so even if it's better, any new code is going to have holes the first time around.
So Vista is a known bumpy ride for the next couple of years, till everything comes together.
10.5 has the benifit of a upgrade release. Code that worked before are tweaked to worked better(hopefully)
Very little programs should break under 10.5, so not an issue there, and classic is RIP.
There may be an issue with 64-bit universal coding, but it's shouldn't be that foriegn, since Xcode was already thought ahead of this problem.
Any show stoppers for 10.5 should effect 1% of the population. There is no inherent breaking done like Vista.
Vista has some nice things. Like breadcrumb navigation in Explorer. Leopard should have it. Basically, Windows Explorer has always been a well-done version of the Finder (buts lets not get THAT discussion started :-)
It's been over 2 months since WWDC and there has only been 1 updated build seeded outside Apple. Comparing this to Tiger's build cycle where there was a couple of new build every week after is was announced a the WWDC.
Looks like we may have to wait until January to really find out how significant Leopard will be.
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O.K. Thanks for the info.
So it seems Vista does have Core Video / Image equivalents after all. Still not sure about Audio (does Vista have an utlra-low latency Audio framework? I think I heard rumblings about that a while ago) and Data.
Not sure about Audio. I know Vista has a new audio stack.
Fine, so it has some Core Image-like features. So far, I have seen nothing in Vista that actually makes any apparent use of this.
If I had to guess I'd say a number of the animation effects in Vista use WPF.
Point is simply that Vista is following along a very, very similar road as Apple.
Sounds more like Quartz Compositor to me.
Hmm, I don't think so, Quartz Compositor is just for making screen-savers and the like, no? Expression Designer etc. is more full-featured than that. But not knowing more about CoreAnimation it's hard to compare the two.
To be sure, Vista has various interesting features, and some of the Setup program has finally left the 1980s. For the most part, though, color me unimpressed.
Yeah, it's hard to see how any Mac user would be wowed by Vista. We've been doing this stuff for *years* now.
My favorite thing about Vista so far is the breadcrumb bar. Nice design. But if that's all I can say about MS's work in the past 5 years, that's a bit sad.
If I had to guess I'd say a number of the animation effects in Vista use WPF.
Well of course, or else they wouldn't have anti-aliasing, but whether they're predefined animations that are available to third-party developers as an API is another matter.
Point is simply that Vista is following along a very, very similar road as Apple.
Well, yes, no doubt.
Hmm, I don't think so, Quartz Compositor is just for making screen-savers and the like, no?
Sure, you can build screen savers with QC, but, to give you another example: a large part of Photo Booth is built with Quartz Compositor.
Yeah, it's hard to see how any Mac user would be wowed by Vista. We've been doing this stuff for *years* now.
Most of it, anyhow.
My favorite thing about Vista so far is the breadcrumb bar. Nice design. But if that's all I can say about MS's work in the past 5 years, that's a bit sad.
Heh
Contrary to melgross, I'm quite satisfied with performance.
Contrary to melgross, I'm quite satisfied with performance.
Do you have a more precise measure for that?
Just FYI, everyone: all the people mentioning Core [anything] or Quartz [anything]: Vista does it.
(Except possibly CoreData... I'm not sure if MS offers this as a public API.)
Including CoreAnimation... MS's tech for this is called Sparkle^d^d^d^d er, Microsoft Expression Interactive Designer. [good grief, what a name]
Sparkle is Vector aka Flash Animation.
What the hell that has to do with OpenGL accelerated 3D animation is news to the world.
Sparkle is Vector aka Flash Animation.
What the hell that has to do with OpenGL accelerated 3D animation is news to the world.
Uh, I dunno:
[.. supports] 3-D widgets with hardware acceleration via DirectX
Uh, I dunno:
The idea with Sparkle is that a user creates their UI and exports it as XAML (XML for applications). XAML can be used to describe virtually anything visually. It's resolution independent and can handle 3D formats (3D Studio, Maya, etc.). Then someone would use Visual Studio 2005 to create the C# or VB.net for the coding make use of the XAML as a resource. It's very similar to what DesktopX does.
It wraps 3D objects in XAML to embed these 3D Objects within it. Since these are already vector objects it just adds their xml description to it's xml file. It doesn't generate (render/plot and create) them.
Sparkle is Vector aka Flash Animation.
What the hell that has to do with OpenGL accelerated 3D animation is news to the world.
Technicalities aside(already elaborated by others)..
Do you know what flash is??? It's like you're saying a GPU wasn't ment to draw and move objects based on a mathematical formula. I suppose you graphics card was never ment to play games either.
Technicalities aside(already elaborated by others)..
Do you know what flash is??? It's like you're saying a GPU wasn't ment to draw and move objects based on a mathematical formula. I suppose you graphics card was never ment to play games either.
Yes I know what it is. Vectors are more than just scalars with direction in OpenGL.
If I want to model FEM on biomechanics and other organic structures, or inorganic structures I can easily apply OpenGL frameworks to do this.
Sparkle is not designed to address Engineering solutions to dynamic system modeling.
CoreAnimation can be applied to such solutions.
Since most of the Internet is consumed with cute Vector graphics in their most primitive sense its easy to not see how they differ.
http://www.google.com/search?q=FEM+E...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
If I want to bring high-end static/dynamic modeling solutions to a platform, Sparkle isn't going to be a framework I use.
Make sense now?
Yes I know what it is. Vectors are more than just scalars with direction in OpenGL.
If I want to model FEM on biomechanics and other organic structures, or inorganic structures I can easily apply OpenGL frameworks to do this.
Sparkle is not designed to address Engineering solutions to dynamic system modeling.
CoreAnimation can be applied to such solutions.
Since most of the Internet is consumed with cute Vector graphics in their most primitive sense its easy to not see how they differ.
http://www.google.com/search?q=FEM+E...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
If I want to bring high-end static/dynamic modeling solutions to a platform, Sparkle isn't going to be a framework I use.
Make sense now?
Yes and no, you're trying to draw lines that are pretty smudged at this point.
Sparkle aka Avalon(why are Microsoft code names always better then retail ones?) is going to be used on of course DX and D3D.
Also given that Sparkle is a design program while Core-sets are API's it gets further blured.
In the end do they do the same thing? Most likely to a point. They are going in different directions, but the result become similar in the process.
I'm curious how Apple will deal with the Vista juggernaut coming this January (or very early '07 at least).
Here's my guess:
- Vista release in Jan/Feb '07
- Apple response: the "real" Leopard preview for MWSF, 18+ mo. in the making: "top secret" juicy CoreAnimation-powered UI overhaul with a collection of attention-grabbing features (mmmmm), official spring launch date announced
A bigger question is how will Apple respond to every new Windows machine now coming with a fairly snazzy-looking OS (minus a fair amount of charm and elegance, of course) and a crude but passable version of iLife (for those who don't know any better). Eventually Apple will need some new ideas to lure users from Windows.
So, it seems like Vista, lo and behold, may actually make its (latest) ship date. It's looking like they finally got the train back on the rails.
I'm curious how Apple will deal with the Vista juggernaut coming this January (or very early '07 at least).
Here's my guess:
- Vista release in Jan/Feb '07
- Apple response: the "real" Leopard preview for MWSF, 18+ mo. in the making: "top secret" juicy CoreAnimation-powered UI overhaul with a collection of attention-grabbing features (mmmmm), official spring launch date announced
A bigger question is how will Apple respond to every new Windows machine now coming with a fairly snazzy-looking OS (minus a fair amount of charm and elegance, of course) and a crude but passable version of iLife (for those who don't know any better). Eventually Apple will need some new ideas to lure users from Windows.
One thing will be how effective MS's new security software is. Hackers have already broken into the kernel. So without several security packages immediatly available, it could be interesting.
If there are any well publicised security problems before Apple releases 10.5, it could make a difference.
Hackers have already broken into the kernel.
haha its going to have major problems before its even released. brilliant...
This is due to backward compatiblity with XP and 98 programs. Certain securities must be turned off to get certain programs to work. Thus programs will need to be updated(or stopped using)
IE should be much more patched, so, that's better, still, activeX is still around.
The network stack is rewritten, so even if it's better, any new code is going to have holes the first time around.
So Vista is a known bumpy ride for the next couple of years, till everything comes together.
10.5 has the benifit of a upgrade release. Code that worked before are tweaked to worked better(hopefully)
Very little programs should break under 10.5, so not an issue there, and classic is RIP.
There may be an issue with 64-bit universal coding, but it's shouldn't be that foriegn, since Xcode was already thought ahead of this problem.
Any show stoppers for 10.5 should effect 1% of the population. There is no inherent breaking done like Vista.
Looks like we may have to wait until January to really find out how significant Leopard will be.
This waiting is killing me!