Apple rolls out Merom-based iMacs, new 24-inch model

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  • Reply 201 of 283
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Strawberry


    How did this get to be a iPhoto/Picasa thread?



    Focus, people!



    But we've got nothing to whinge about with the new iMacs!
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    onlookeronlooker Posts: 5,252member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mikef


    The Intel Core Duo has proven itself as a processor in the previous gen iMac and Minis. Whether or not it's sold as a desktop or mobile CPU is inconsequential.







    How do you figure? They released the fastest iMacs to date today. Where are they losing specs?







    Huh? Do you think every current PC today sells with a Conroe processor? I'm sorry, sir, but they do not.







    No they don't. You're getting your panties in a bunch over absolutely nothing.





    I love it when some clown decides to take a paragraph apart in pieces and attack it word by word.



    The differences, and intended use for the processors was determined by intel. One is substantially more powerful, and made for the desktop. The other is made for laptops. It's that simple mike. No need to get your panties in a bunch over it. I'm not the one upset that has processor envy. I'm not an iMac user. I could give a fuck. I'm just stating facts. I'll use pictures.
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  • Reply 204 of 283
    dcqdcq Posts: 349member
    Hmmm....



    I thought the C2Ds were supposed to run on the 965 Broadwater chipset. But I see Apple's store lists the low end model as sporting the GMA 950 with a C2D.



    What gives?
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  • Reply 205 of 283
    Ok so back on subject...

    What are ther performance differences between the 24's Nvidia and the ATi in the 20"?
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  • Reply 206 of 283
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by onlooker


    The differences, and intended use for the processors was determined by intel. One is substantially more powerful, and made for the desktop. The other is made for laptops. It's that simple mike. No need to get your panties in a bunch over it. I'm not the one upset that has processor envy. I'm not an iMac user. I could give a fuck. I'm just stating facts. I'll use pictures.



    Perhaps you should look at benchmarks before mouthing off...



    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=99466



    There's really very little difference and in some tests Merom beats conroe but either way it's usually minor and probably because of system differences in the test. Describing Conroe as 'substantially more powerful' is way off the mark.
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  • Reply 207 of 283
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    Originally Posted by WhetWurm


    Agreed. This is absurd. There is no reason why they couldn't put the Meroms in the MBP's and stick Conroes in the iMacs. While I won't go buy a Dell, I'm seriously considering buying a used MBP for the interim until Apple gets its ducks in a row.



    I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does...



    EDIT: Apparently, it's not confirmed that these are Merom based. I'll hold my tongue until further proof is provided.





    hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the MBP just came out 7 months ago...how can you already expect completely new processors?
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  • Reply 208 of 283
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by diddy_tong


    According to the Apple store, one of the slots takes a 2GB stick, and the other a 1GB.



    I do not understand why they would do such a stupiud thing: DDR is a technology that works best in pairs...
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  • Reply 209 of 283
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by luv2playtenis


    hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the MBP just came out 7 months ago...how can you already expect completely new processors?



    Are you kidding? That's not that wild in the PC world.
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  • Reply 210 of 283
    eckingecking Posts: 1,588member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by luv2playtenis


    hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the MBP just came out 7 months ago...how can you already expect completely new processors?



    I hope you're joking because intel imacs and the mbp were intro-ed at the same time.
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  • Reply 211 of 283
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by a_greer


    I do not understand why they would do such a stupiud thing: DDR is a technology that works best in pairs...



    There is nothing special about DDR that needs pairs. The bandwidth of DDR2-667 matches that of the CPU bus, so there's not much benefit to running dual channel mode unless you are running the integrated graphics.
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    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gregmightdothat


    The 7300 is worse than the X1600 in the last revision, although it'll be fine for most people.



    For OpenGL, 7300 is apparently better than X1600 by a decent margin, which should mean that the 7300 is better for OS X.
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  • Reply 213 of 283
    if iMac needs to be COOL stuff so C2D Merom, forget abt Conroe.



    C2D yonah & merom beats P4 3Ghz ... that shd be powerful enough for many (though not for every one)
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  • Reply 214 of 283
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jbh0001


    Because Apple got Intel to put a lot of development into Firewire, and then pissed everybody off with their licencing scheme.



    Wow, where did you pull that one out?
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  • Reply 215 of 283
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core


    "I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does..."



    The only sensible thing you said.



    So let's see:



    IBM drops pc's

    Dell lossing ground

    Intel laying off

    HP in trouble

    GM on verge of bankruptcy

    Ford joining the discontent



    But Apple just keeps a growing in innovations, products, sales, service, support, stature?



    Thank heavens, that Apple is above the norm.



    word big bird
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  • Reply 216 of 283
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Araknid


    Do you think its worth the 300 bucks to up it to 2.33 Ghz from 2.16 Ghz?



    The MHz myth is not a myth when its the exact same CPU otherwise...

    So 2.16 vs 2.33 = only 8% faster, which doesn't seem worth it to me.



    I ordered earlier today. 24" standard config but upgraded graphics.
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  • Reply 217 of 283
    Double post
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  • Reply 218 of 283
    Is it still ok to enter the wild speculation & prediction debate?



    Here's my wild prediction:

    With iMac upgraded to Mermon C2D, the MBP looks terribly unattractive & dated

    - so this will get the C2D treatment real soon now

    - comparing it's prices, even with the upgrade, it's still wildly overpriced

    - just compare a 17" iMac with a 17" MBP (which internally must be nearly the same)

    - even allowing for the nice metal box, this doesn't seem like good value

    - so the MBP must also get a large price drop (say $200 - $400 more than the equiv iMac)

    - this leaves a gap at the top, which should be filled with a new 19" MBP, with Hi-end nVidia graphics for ~$2000



    This is good, because having 3 in a range is always good, just ask Wendy's



    Having got that out the way, my next prediction is for the Mac

    - even though the iMac is great, I still think there's a need for a good desktop machine without built-in Monitor, priced below the MacPro

    - because for a lot of people the MacPro is overkill - it's a high-end workstation

    - using the Conroe, will give it a little bit extra speed compared to the iMac

    - up to 3GHz

    - and it can offer better graphics options than the iMac.

    - does it take away sales from the iMac? - sure, - but it will also take away sales from Dell etc, which is what Apple needs to do.



    With Quad Core C2Ds (Kentsfield/Clovertown) coming next year (late this year?) then, without a Mac, the gap between the iMac & the MacPro is just too big

    (assuming they use the Quad Core in the Mac Pro)



    The MacBook, could do with a small price cut, and an extra screen size or two

    - a 15" would help bridge the gap to the MBP, and give people the choice of Metal/Plastic, Good/Bad graphics etc

    - a smaller size, 12" or ever 10" would be cute



    Overall, I've been impressed with Apple over the last year, in it's attempts to turn itself from a niche, boutique player, into a mainstream alternative, so that's why I think things like the Mac, and the cheaper MBPs have just got to happen. It's all about give the consumer choice.



    BTW, the Mac Mini, as an entry level machine, is way too over priced, so perhaps Apple needs to do something there, like drop the price, change to form factor, or introduce a Mac Nano or something
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  • Reply 219 of 283
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM


    For OpenGL, 7300 is apparently better than X1600 by a decent margin, which should mean that the 7300 is better for OS X.



    Ok, that's a little too vague to mean anything...



    but the 7300 has a worse fill rate, making it slower for Aperture/Motion/core imagery stuff.
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  • Reply 220 of 283
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gregmightdothat


    Ok, that's a little too vague to mean anything...



    but the 7300 has a worse fill rate, making it slower for Aperture/Motion/core imagery stuff.



    So was your previous post.



    I don't think that one single figure makes much difference in the grand scheme. The fill rate may be theoretical or marketing number, not the actual performance, and the overall actual performance seems to be significantly better in 7300 for the Mac.



    http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=140
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