Apple's video iPod pricing catches Microsoft by surprise

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  • Reply 61 of 106
    Check out Gillian Anderson. There is some non-symmetry which of course, does not detract from her sultry, sexy appeal. Though X-Files is kinda Old Skool now



    Picture





    OneSideMirrored





    OtherSideMirrored





    See? Two different faces, even if you remove the difference in the hairstyle 8)
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  • Reply 62 of 106
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rtdunham


    I'd like to see them but a search at the link you listed (for "Gartenberg") revealed only a 9/14 post on MS office and a 9/13 one on the Blu-Ray HDDV battle. And both were available only for purchase. Can you summarize what he said, or is there another route to summaries of that information?



    Those are the two correct blog entries. Here are the direct links:



    http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/a...es/017050.html



    http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/a...es/017033.html
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  • Reply 63 of 106
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
    Deleted. Didn't think it posted but it did. See next post.
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  • Reply 64 of 106
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross


    It seems to me as though it isn't ready. I keep saying this, but no one is listening.



    Apple may not have been able to wait any longer with the movie store.



    I agree that if the widescreen iPod exists, it isn't ready for whatever reason. I'm just really surprised that the movie store was introed without either this iPod or the iTV, because that would be the most bang for the buck. Yes, some early-adopters will buy movies to watch on their computers or iPods but that's not the mainstream consumer. So why couldn't Apple wait longer to intro the movie store, i.e., wait until at least one device was ready? What pressure was it feeling?



    When I ponder that (I am involved in business strategy and love it), it leads me to not very good possibilities for Apple.

    1. The refreshed iPod lineup wasn't strong enough to stand on its own. Not enough buzz. So it needed movies to juice it up.

    2. Apple was afraid Unbox (and AOL and Windows PCs) would get too big of a lead given that there wasn't anything significant to compare it to. (CinemaNow and MovieLink are not big players.) Altho iTunes movies aren't that positively differentiated - marginally better pricing, smaller catalog, download and DVD release at same time, plays on 2.5" iPod, and plays on Mac. Or Disney was going to go non-exclusive if Apple didn't start soon.

    3. Apple was afraid of an MS Christmas promotion of Media Center PCs with the Zune/Zune Marketplace around music. And it needed movies to differentiate. (TV shows don't do it because the Media Center can record the TV shows). I have no knowledge of any such promotion.

    4. There won't be a widescreen iPod until next year (or later, or ever).

    a. So no pressure because Jobs doesn't think people want to watch movies on a 2.5" or 4.5" iPod and the movie store is focused primarily on the living room. People can always watch on a notebook in a plane or car. (My opinion of this is that Apple's edge has been the iPod and here they are not building upon it.)

    b. They just can't get it done technologically even with almost all their efforts focused on it. If their efforts were not focused there, than the current iPod update of a brighter screen and better power mgmt is quite weak for 11 months of work.



    Over the past 3 years, Apple has had an incredible strategy in so many different facets on both the Mac and iPod fronts. It's clobbered all comers. Not just beat them, but demolished them at just about every turn. Volume, pricing, tie-in/lock-in, innovation, distribution, marketing, message, hardware, software, content.



    But invading the movie, DVD, movie studio, and cable TV space is going to be significantly more difficult than it was to invade the music, CD, music label, and radio space. There are more players, and they're bigger and stronger, and not yet beset with a crisis. I hope Apple's seemingly lackluster intro of the movie store isn't a foreshadowing of the difficulties and even missteps they will face in the future.
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  • Reply 65 of 106
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mark2005


    I agree that if the widescreen iPod exists, it isn't ready for whatever reason. I'm just really surprised that the movie store was introed without either this iPod or the iTV, because that would be the most bang for the buck. Yes, some early-adopters will buy movies to watch on their computers or iPods but that's not the mainstream consumer. So why couldn't Apple wait longer to intro the movie store, i.e., wait until at least one device was ready? What pressure was it feeling?



    Yes



    Quote:

    When I ponder that (I am involved in business strategy and love it), it leads me to not very good possibilities for Apple.

    1. The refreshed iPod lineup wasn't strong enough to stand on its own. Not enough buzz. So it needed movies to juice it up.



    Yes

    Quote:

    2. Apple was afraid Unbox (and AOL and Windows PCs) would get too big of a lead given that there wasn't anything significant to compare it to. (CinemaNow and MovieLink are not big players.) Altho iTunes movies aren't that positively differentiated - marginally better pricing, smaller catalog, download and DVD release at same time, plays on 2.5" iPod, and plays on Mac. Or Disney was going to go non-exclusive if Apple didn't start soon.



    Yes



    Quote:

    3. Apple was afraid of an MS Christmas promotion of Media Center PCs with the Zune/Zune Marketplace around music. And it needed movies to differentiate. (TV shows don't do it because the Media Center can record the TV shows). I have no knowledge of any such promotion.



    Yes



    Quote:

    4. There won't be a widescreen iPod until next year (or later, or ever).

    a. So no pressure because Jobs doesn't think people want to watch movies on a 2.5" or 4.5" iPod and the movie store is focused primarily on the living room. People can always watch on a notebook in a plane or car. (My opinion of this is that Apple's edge has been the iPod and here they are not building upon it.)

    b. They just can't get it done technologically even with almost all their efforts focused on it. If their efforts were not focused there, than the current iPod update of a brighter screen and better power mgmt is quite weak for 11 months of work.



    Quote:

    Over the past 3 years, Apple has had an incredible strategy in so many different facets on both the Mac and iPod fronts. It's clobbered all comers. Not just beat them, but demolished them at just about every turn. Volume, pricing, tie-in/lock-in, innovation, distribution, marketing, message, hardware, software, content.



    But invading the movie, DVD, movie studio, and cable TV space is going to be significantly more difficult than it was to invade the music, CD, music label, and radio space. There are more players, and they're bigger and stronger, and not yet beset with a crisis. I hope Apple's seemingly lackluster intro of the movie store isn't a foreshadowing of the difficulties and even missteps they will face in the future.



    Yes!



    You're going to have to stop writing these things. You're becoming too depressing, Even though I agree.
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  • Reply 66 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross


    ...You're going to have to stop writing these things. You're becoming too depressing, Even though I agree.



    Heh. Don't worry, we'll always have the sweet Intel transition this year and new Macs in 2007 to look remind us how great Apple is and to and to cheer us up



    Plus what depressing? The new iPod nanos are teh sexyback and will sell like hotcakes along with the still strong demand for MacBooks. Not to mention QuadXeon Macpro, iMac 24inch, and an iPod shuffle you could easily swallow.
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  • Reply 67 of 106
    Remember that in just over three months MacWorld SF 2007 will deliver a new line of goodies to set the pace for next year.



    Also possible Merom-MBPro update Sep 25th.
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  • Reply 68 of 106
    Registration for Macworld San Francisco 2007 will be available at the end of September 2006

    http://www.macworldexpo.com/live/20/register
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  • Reply 69 of 106
    "With the advancements in battery life of over 70 percent (30 GB video iPod moves to 3.5 hours from 2 hours, 80 GB video iPod to 6.5 hours from 4 hours, and nanos to 24 hours from 14 hours), we believe Apple is one step (or perhaps two steps) closer in adding widescreen and/or Bluetooth capabilities."



    This is highly misleading. The new 80 GB iPod gets up to 20 hours of battery life when listening to audio, which the only thing the Nano can do (no video on the Nano), so when you state the 80 GB video iPod gets 6.5 right before you state the Nano gets 24 (24 hours of audio use), you are suggesting something that is completely wrong, Apples and oranges. Horrible mistake it seems.



    Audio:

    Nano: 24 hours

    80 GB iPod: 20 hours

    30 GB iPod: 14 hours



    http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html



    All the specs...
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  • Reply 70 of 106
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sunilraman


    Heh. Don't worry, we'll always have the sweet Intel transition this year and new Macs in 2007 to look remind us how great Apple is and to and to cheer us up



    Plus what depressing? The new iPod nanos are teh sexyback and will sell like hotcakes along with the still strong demand for MacBooks. Not to mention QuadXeon Macpro, iMac 24inch, and an iPod shuffle you could easily swallow.



    MY!!!!
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  • Reply 71 of 106
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sunilraman


    Remember that in just over three months MacWorld SF 2007 will deliver a new line of goodies to set the pace for next year.



    Also possible Merom-MBPro update Sep 25th.



    You really do
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  • Reply 72 of 106
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sunilraman


    Registration for Macworld San Francisco 2007 will be available at the end of September 2006

    http://www.macworldexpo.com/live/20/register



    spread out your posts unnecessarily.
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  • Reply 73 of 106
    Messed up again.



    When I click reply, then log in, then write my response, then click publish, it returns a vBulletin error-invalid thread (I think).



    Then when I check if it actually posted, there is nothing there. Then when I post it again, I see two postings.



    Guess I just need to wait longer next time.
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  • Reply 74 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross


    You're going to have to stop writing these things. You're becoming too depressing, Even though I agree.



    Don't mean to be depressing; just pointing out a few flaws beneath the hype and RDF of Showtime. Long term, Apple still has plenty of advantages and its core competencies are exactly what is needed for this Internet revolution. And short term, Apple will still set a record for revenue and probably profit in the Christmas quarter.



    There are some new things that are positive. Having Eric Schmidt on board hopefully means that Apple's vision has much overlap with Google's vision, leading to products from both that fit in well with each other. Also with the changes to iTunes, I expect iTunes Store kiosk download sales to be realized, whether in new mini stores, or in partnership with bookstores or cafes, especially at airports and college campuses (altho a wide-screen iPod would make it even more compelling!).



    I just hope people don't expect it to be as easy going forward since all Apple's competitors, partners (music labels, ecosystem), and potential partners (Hollywood, cable, cell) now have a good grasp of what Apple represents. Microsoft, I think, has always understood the need to control formats, which explains Windows Media, but they have finally shown that they understand the immediacy and seriousness of the combined iPod/iTunes/iLife threat to MS' desire to expand beyond Office to multimedia content. Whether MS and other Apple competitors can execute wholistically (technology, design, user interface, marketing, retail) better than Apple is another story.



    But whereas Apple could thrive even when production was sorely underplanned (mini, shuffle, nano), mistakes like that will hurt more going forward. But if they succeed, it will be so much sweeter...
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  • Reply 75 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mark2005


    Don't mean to be depressing; just pointing out a few flaws beneath the hype and RDF of Showtime. Long term, Apple still has plenty of advantages and its core competencies are exactly what is needed for this Internet revolution. And short term, Apple will still set a record for revenue and probably profit in the Christmas quarter.



    There are some new things that are positive. Having Eric Schmidt on board hopefully means that Apple's vision has much overlap with Google's vision, leading to products from both that fit in well with each other. Also with the changes to iTunes, I expect iTunes Store kiosk download sales to be realized, whether in new mini stores, or in partnership with bookstores or cafes, especially at airports and college campuses (altho a wide-screen iPod would make it even more compelling!).



    I just hope people don't expect it to be as easy going forward since all Apple's competitors, partners (music labels, ecosystem), and potential partners (Hollywood, cable, cell) now have a good grasp of what Apple represents. Microsoft, I think, has always understood the need to control formats, which explains Windows Media, but they have finally shown that they understand the immediacy and seriousness of the combined iPod/iTunes/iLife threat to MS' desire to expand beyond Office to multimedia content. Whether MS and other Apple competitors can execute wholistically (technology, design, user interface, marketing, retail) better than Apple is another story.



    But whereas Apple could thrive even when production was sorely underplanned (mini, shuffle, nano), mistakes like that will hurt more going forward. But if they succeed, it will be so much sweeter...



    Apple
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  • Reply 76 of 106
    definitely has
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  • Reply 77 of 106
    a strong vision going forward alongside the evolution of the iPod and the Mac. Competition is relevant in so far as how it affects Apple's quarterly profits.
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  • Reply 78 of 106
    Quarterly profits - remember that as Apples main focus, not dominating the consumer electronics and media industry.



    (I'm spreading out the posts just to mess with Melgross' mind)
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  • Reply 79 of 106
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sunilraman


    Quarterly profits - remember that as Apples main focus, not dominating the consumer electronics and media industry.



    (I'm spreading out the posts just to mess with Melgross' mind)



    Ho ho ho!
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  • Reply 80 of 106
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kadajawi


    And the Zune's display and interface look really really impressive, with the huge cover art, and a rather nice design and animations. The display is pretty huge, and seems to be good. It's better equipped than the iPod too, and we'll see what else they will do with the WiFi (internet? VoIP? ...). There definately is some potential. Apple should watch out.



    The Zune display may be bigger but it's the same resolution as the iPod - 320x240. It's just that they've stretched it out into a weird aspect ratio on the Zune.



    WiFi strikes me as an oddity for what they're doing. For transferring songs to your friends, I'd have thought Bluetooth would be better - less power and fast enough for casual use - but maybe they put wifi in for something else as you surmise. I can guess why they didn't put Bluetooth in - Windows Mobile doesn't support Bluetooth 2.0 yet but it does do WiFi. Then again, you don't see many people browsing the net on their Nintendos and PSPs which have WiFi in too.



    Dunno. Opening shots yet in the war. Both have plenty of time yet. It'll come down to marketing not features IMHO anyway and I know who I'm betting on in that contest.
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