Home Shooling?

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in AppleOutsider edited January 2014
Just curious... I'll make an anonymous poll in case you don't want to fess up, but have you been home-schooled? Do you support home-schooling? And out of curiosity, what is your religiopolitical point of view?



Me, I am a stinking liberal (except after I take my evening shower) and I think home schooling is dangerous and should be frowned upon. If parents want to teach their children they can teach them outside of the school environment, in addition to the curriculum taught to them in school. IMO the only reason parents have to home school their kids is that they want to shield them from something taught at schools that they don't agree with, like evolution, sex-ed, ethnic or religious diversity, liberal influence, etc.
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  • Reply 1 of 44
    I was not home schooled, but I've had several friends that have been. One of them home schooled from K-12 and the other two went to high school. The two that went to high school both turned out ok. One person is very smart and came away with good social skills, and they weren't religiously oriented to one church. The other high school attending person has decent social skills but is very very religious and closed minded about the topics you mentioned at the end of your post, especially evolution. Looking back at the person that didn't go to high school, they have almost no social skills and is fairly religious. Looking at those three, I am against home school just because of the social skills that one learns through the public school system.
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  • Reply 2 of 44
    dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    If you can possibly do it, do it.



    Being able to teach exactly what the child needs, and when they are ready for it, really can't be beat.
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  • Reply 3 of 44
    I am not against home schooling as an idea. However, there should be standards in place for any parents wishing to home school their kids. They should have to receive provisional certification from the state DOE and local school board, they should have to take and pass the basic skills PRAXIS test and at least the two PRAXIS tests for English Literature/Composition and Mathematics. They should also be required to submit their child for academic achievement testing each year and finally to submit their childrens' grades to the local school department.



    That said, kids who are home schooled should have access to public school libraries, and the public school phys-ed program (if they wanted it).



    Implementing reasonable standards will help insulate the world against kids being educated in little Christian fundamentalist madrassas and ensure that the students are receiving an education akin to those of the kids in their local public school. My sister in law homeschooled her daughter from age 13 on. My niece reads and writes at an 8th grade level, can't do basic math, knows nothing outside of VH1 Celebreality, spent a year as an Oxycontin addicted streetwalker, and is now pregnant (the father of the upcoming baby is serving 5 years now). She turned 18 four months ago.



    Standards are important to keep that from happening to other kids.
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  • Reply 4 of 44
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
    I know a number of adults who were homeschooled when they were kids, and none of them are very educated or informed. Two of them are very successful in the careers, but it's in part because they know close to nothing about anything outside of their fields. As a result, all of them have problems with logic applied to the real world and decision-making. They also have the most common problem that uneducated people have: the inability to keep up with their professional and social peers when the issue at hand goes outside of their narrow area of expertise.



    Among those that I know, there are stark differences between the homeschooled and the traditionally schooled.
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  • Reply 5 of 44
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmz


    If you can possibly do it, do it.



    Being able to teach exactly what the child needs, and when they are ready for it, really can't be beat.



    Good luck with that AP Chem.
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  • Reply 6 of 44
    I think home schooling would be fine for the lower grade levels where the basics are taught. My girlfriend's son would certainly benefit from a very focused education according to his learning style and so on. I think once a kid is past 5th or 6th grade then an actual school setting will serve him/her better -- like in the example of AP Chemistry.
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  • Reply 7 of 44
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    I think there needs to be another option: I am for homeschooling IF the parents are fully prepaired for what they are diving into: I know some home-shool grads what are smart, hardworking and have good jobs, one of whome is managing several accounts for his familys consulting firm and running a good chunk of the very successfull business at the age of 19: OTHR I know some homeschoolers (who have now finished, but whom I refuse to call grads) who cant do basic math and in one case, NO JOKE didn't know the differance between right and left.



    If you are the kind of parent who is lazy and likes to beat them too much, for the love of GOD SEND THEM TO PUBLIC SCHOOL! If you are smart, willing to do a lot of hard work and have connections with other smart people like engineers, English tutors/teachers and so on, home schooling can be GREAT.
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  • Reply 8 of 44
    I've known a number of college students who were home-schooled up until college, and we also have some neighbors that home-school, and they all seem very well-educated and well-adjusted.



    I do sometimes wonder about the motivations, and whether it's done much of the time to protect children from evil Godless ideas like evolution. I recently went to a home-school shop with books and kits and things (getting a gift for a cousin who home-schools), and it was absolutely filled with anti-evolution materials. Here's one homeschool website with science texts. It was the first one that popped up on google, and seems to be very typical.
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  • Reply 9 of 44
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BRussell


    I've known a number of college students who were home-schooled up until college, and we also have some neighbors that home-school, and they all seem very well-educated and well-adjusted.



    I do sometimes wonder about the motivations, and whether it's done much of the time to protect children from evil Godless ideas like evolution. I recently went to a home-school shop with books and kits and things (getting a gift for a cousin who home-schools), and it was absolutely filled with anti-evolution materials. Here's one homeschool website with science texts. It was the first one that popped up on google, and seems to be very typical.



    You want something really freaky, take a look at ACE/School Of Tomorrow...





    These people are nut jobs, think Christian Taliban: having used their curriculum for a little while I can say that they not only endoctrinate and brainwash the student, but try to make the student FORCE their views on everyone else...like a Jerry Fallwell boot camp...
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  • Reply 10 of 44
    dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ShawnJ


    Good luck with that AP Chem.



    There's software curricula for that. Also, there are people selling whiteboard w/audio lectures as QuickTime movies that go with some of the homeschool curricula. It's the 21st century, time to start leveraging some of this technology.



    That said, is High School Chem really necessary? My first college class was chem '101' -- you start from scratch. (not that testing out would be a bad thing)
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  • Reply 11 of 44
    dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by a_greer


    These people are nut jobs, think Christian Taliban: having used their curriculum for a little while I can say that they not only endoctrinate and brainwash the student, but try to make the student FORCE their views on everyone else...like a Jerry Fallwell boot camp...



    ...like they took over the public school sytems and forced everyone to teach what they wanted?



    No -- they walked away. You guys need to see the trend here.
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  • Reply 12 of 44
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmz


    There's software curricula for that. Also, there are people selling whiteboard w/audio lectures as QuickTime movies that go with some of the homeschool curricula. It's the 21st century, time to start leveraging some of this technology.



    That said, is High School Chem really necessary? My first college class was chem '101' -- you start from scratch. (not that testing out would be a bad thing)



    My best friend is a protein chemist in philly. She said her experience with two years of chem in high school helped her a lot during her first year in college since they covered much of the same topics-- she didn't have to start from scratch at all. Also, how do you do chem lab at home?
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  • Reply 13 of 44
    dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ShawnJ


    My best friend is a protein chemist in philly. She said her experience with two years of chem in high school helped her a lot during her first year in college since they covered much of the same topics-- she didn't have to start from scratch at all. Also, how do you do chem lab at home?



    Haven't gotten too far into that -- sixth grade -- got set back a bit for a decent microscope; the standard things, staining onion, cheek cells, [a water plant I forgot the name of], an experiment with a blue stain(?) to check starch breakdown, and some more dumb-dumb, stuff, seeds in the dark/dry wet test tube. Each curricula for science comes with a corresponding kit that's extra $$, the experiments are built into the schedule.



    It's a great setup, each child has a laptop with wifi, with client software loaded that talks to a SQL server installed on a PC controlled by the parent. Grading and scheduling are done on the server and different subjects plug into that framework.
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  • Reply 14 of 44
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,585moderator
    Home schooling is fine if you have intelligent parents. The trouble is that most parents think they're intelligent when in fact they are not. I hate to think what would have happened to me if I was home-schooled. I was raised in a religious environment and I hated it. School was the only place I could get back to normality. Most of my education would have comprised of Bible stories if I hadn't been sent to school. Not to mention the impact on the ability to socialise, which even without home-schooling was affected by the religion.



    The bottom line is that at school, you get educated by a large number of different people with different opinions and knowledge about a wide range of subjects. It's hard to get that sort of thing from one person let alone your parents. So overall, I would be against home-schooling. I imagine that people can come out of it well adjusted but I think the odds are against it.
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  • Reply 15 of 44
    dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tonton


    Take the AP Chem exam and you can skip Chem 101. That's the point.



    I know -- trust me -- I did four AP books this year.
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  • Reply 16 of 44
    It's not a 'good' or 'bad' proposition per se. There are advantages and disadvantages.



    There may be reasons to home school given the area one lives in and the quality of schools in that location. Perhaps the educational quality of the local schools is poor or safety is a concern.



    Perhaps a child is uniquely gifted in a certain area and home schooling allows him/her to really concentrate in that area more so than they could in public school.



    Having said all this, I would agree that parents that home school their children to avoid the teaching of evolution or sex education are making a mistake.
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  • Reply 17 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by a_greer


    You want something really freaky, take a look at ACE/School Of Tomorrow...





    These people are nut jobs, think Christian Taliban: having used their curriculum for a little while I can say that they not only endoctrinate and brainwash the student, but try to make the student FORCE their views on everyone else...like a Jerry Fallwell boot camp...



    The difference of course is that Christian fundamentalists may be a little nutsy, but they're not going to kill anyone who disagrees or comes to disagree. The Pope recently said something to the same tune. In the modern, PC universe it's not cool to say that Christian fundies aren't as bad as Islamic fundies, but in this case it's overwhelmingly true. It's the difference between the 19th century and the 9th.



    As for home schooling, I've met a hand-full of kids who were home-schooled, and they were all weird. I have no problem that people choose to home-school their kids, but personally I'd never do it. It's bad for the kids to miss out on the varieties of experiences that just won't occur in a home-schooling environment. Not to mention AP Chem.
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  • Reply 18 of 44
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Splinemodel


    The difference of course is that Christian fundamentalists may be a little nutsy, but they're not going to kill anyone who disagrees or comes to disagree.



    Think about that beyond individual killings...
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  • Reply 19 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ShawnJ


    Think about that beyond individual killings...



    I think not.
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  • Reply 20 of 44
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Obviously.
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