IMHO, assuming Apple is sitting right now on a sufficient number of G5 mofos up to 1.6GHz, then releasing those in January, with current price points, configs ranging from 1.2 to 1.6 GHz, the mere shock to the Wintel community and subsequent mass conversion of pro niche markets would alone be worthwhile. Then consider the number of people waiting to upgrade. Some of the G3 users might not be considering an upgrade quite yet, however such a speed boost would definitely spur sales.
Apple will not, and should not, worry about making previous machines obsolete. It doesn't make them any slower.
SYN brings up a good point. Apple must realize there are tons of G3/86/9600 owners out there who are satisfied with their machines but want to run OS X soon. they view the G4 PowerMac as not enough reason to upgrade but a G5 running at GHz plus speeds would be incentive enough. I'm sure there are more than a couple Plus and SE owners out there waiting for a worthwhile upgrade...
[quote]I know people who would love to have my G4 450 that I bought in 2000. It ain't fast in comparison anymore but I still enjoy it a <hr></blockquote>
That's how I feel with my 500MHz iBook. When the 600MHz ones with the 100MHz bus came out I knew they'd be quite a bit faster than mine because of the extra 100MHz and the extra bus speed but I don't care because I love my iBook and will for a while.
The sad fact in the computer industry is that people will be buying computers the day before something "revolutionary" is released. It's unfair, but that's the way it is. With an ever expanding list of brick and mortar stores, Apple will have to release something soon that will make the stores viable. Any shopper seeing a "top of the line" Mac at 867 and a PC at 2000 and 1900+ is not going to be to terribly impressed with the MAC. So even if Apple does anger current owners, they'll not stay angry for long based on the speculated specs of these demons.
[quote]even if Apple does anger current owners, they'll not stay angry for long based on the speculated specs of these demons.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
So true. I picked up a Quicksilver in August fully realizing Apollo & the G5 are in the pipe...when I placed my order, I had already reconciled myself to catching the next wave in a couple years. No regrets. And Matsu is dead on - the fastest processor available is just smart business. No more, no less...after all Apple is still living in a Wintel world, survival dictates that they go balls out, if possible.
Junkyard Dawg is the biggest f*cking moron on these boards. This is my first post in a very long time but i remember him from before, telling his "knowledge" of what the next generation of G4's would be, which were completely false i might add. Do not take anything he says seriously. He is an idiot.
<strong>SYN brings up a good point. Apple must realize there are tons of G3/86/9600 owners out there who are satisfied with their machines but want to run OS X soon. they view the G4 PowerMac as not enough reason to upgrade but a G5 running at GHz plus speeds would be incentive enough. I'm sure there are more than a couple Plus and SE owners out there waiting for a worthwhile upgrade...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know exactly what you mean. I have a Mac IIci and I think it is time for me to upgrade that machine. I would prefer a G5, but even a GHz G3 or G4 is much better than my Sonnet-increased IIci with a 68040 80 MHz. machine running System 7.6.1
[quote] up until a couple weeks ago, who would have thought Apple would be in the MP3 player business? I thought that was the oddest thing... upgrade cards from Apple would make more sense.. especially if the actual G5 motherboards were in short supply, the cards would make a good transition. <hr></blockquote>
Nonsense. The mobos aren't the limiting factor here, it's the G5 chips. And if the G5 chips are in short supply (and they will be), then what do you think Apple will do:
1. Build fewer G5 powermacs so they can sell G5 upgrade cards to current Powermac owners who would rather buy an upgrade card than a new G5 powermac.
2. Use all of the G5 chips to build high-margin Powermacs.
Also, the iPod is a poor analogy, because nobody buys an iPod in place of upgrading their Mac. iPod sales can only act as an incentive for people to upgrade to newer Mac hardware, so it runs iTunes 2 better, so it has Firewire, ect.
Apple isn't out to save customers money, they are out to make money. While satisfied customers are important for good profits, this doesn't mean that Apple will forego sales to keep mac users happy. I feel like I'm stating the obvious, but apparently not:
Because of low chips supplies, which are certain for any new motorola chip, each G5 upgrade sold would mean one less Powermac sold. And the profit margin on a G5 powermac is clearly greater than it would be on some upgrade card.
Finally, if Apple were going to sell upgrade cards, why wait for the G5? There are many, many Powermac G3 owners around who would jump at the chance to buy a 7450 G4 upgrade card for their Smurf computers. If Apple offered 867 MHz G4 upgrade cards at the Apple store, they wouldn't be able to keep them in stock! So clearly Apple doesn't intend to sell upgrades.
But I'll tell you what; if Apple DOES offer a G5 upgrade card at the Apple store, I'll suck my own dick! You have my word on that one.
OK we got an email from our source last night telling us about the new G5's. Steve is planning a huge Ghz coming out party in January and he has even said that we wants all computers to hit 1 GHz. Now he does confirm the the new supercomputer will be running at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 GHz. But he says there are people also talking about maybe a 2.4 GHz chip announced as early as July in New York. So stay tuned.
But I'll tell you what; if Apple DOES offer a G5 upgrade card at the Apple store, I'll suck my own dick! You have my word on that one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It would be interesting to see a performance like that, for me this is quite impossible
Uh... no. I think you may be the only one. We're supposed to be talking about future hardware and it typically ends up resulting in childish name calling and trolling. Why add even more?
JD, why do you think I would be upset if Apple introduced a new system that makes my dual 800 totally obsolete? I knew when I bought it that it would be badly outdated within a year. I really needed a new machine last summer and got one. I am rooting for Apple to bring out a fast G5 box as quickly as possible. Trouble is, we see this kind of thing every MWSF. Anybody who thinks the G5s will be ready in the first quarter is in for a major disappointment. Maybe, just maybe, they'll show up about the time the MWSF whining is over on this board. That's usually about April.
[quote] JD, why do you think I would be upset if Apple introduced a new system that makes my dual 800 totally obsolete?<hr></blockquote>
I never said that.
There are many who think that Apple's decisions are based on the thinking that too great of an upgrade will alienate recent buyers. I personally would like it if Apple came out with a 3 GHz powermac the day after I bought a dual 800, because Apple needs all the speed they can get to increase marketshare. But apparently I'm in the minority on this one.
But anyways, we won't see Apple go from 867 top end to 1.4 GHz low end, it's just bad business for a variety of reasons. If Apple wanted to sell 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 GHZ powermacs, they would still keep the low end around 867 MHz, just so there is some overlap with recent computers. This also lets them price the new GHz powermacs higher, while clearing out the older, slower Powermacs.
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Apple will not, and should not, worry about making previous machines obsolete. It doesn't make them any slower.
That's how I feel with my 500MHz iBook. When the 600MHz ones with the 100MHz bus came out I knew they'd be quite a bit faster than mine because of the extra 100MHz and the extra bus speed but I don't care because I love my iBook and will for a while.
So true. I picked up a Quicksilver in August fully realizing Apollo & the G5 are in the pipe...when I placed my order, I had already reconciled myself to catching the next wave in a couple years. No regrets. And Matsu is dead on - the fastest processor available is just smart business. No more, no less...after all Apple is still living in a Wintel world, survival dictates that they go balls out, if possible.
G5
Extensible architecture
New pipeline
New bus topology/RapidIO Interconnect Architecture
32 & 64 bit products, backwards compatibility
Symmetric Processing Capabilities
0.13µ process with SOI initial G5 product
800MHz to 2Ghz+
In the immortal words of Lilly Tomlin "and that's the trueth"
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<strong>SYN brings up a good point. Apple must realize there are tons of G3/86/9600 owners out there who are satisfied with their machines but want to run OS X soon. they view the G4 PowerMac as not enough reason to upgrade but a G5 running at GHz plus speeds would be incentive enough. I'm sure there are more than a couple Plus and SE owners out there waiting for a worthwhile upgrade...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know exactly what you mean. I have a Mac IIci and I think it is time for me to upgrade that machine. I would prefer a G5, but even a GHz G3 or G4 is much better than my Sonnet-increased IIci with a 68040 80 MHz. machine running System 7.6.1
<strong>damn I missed this shit. But where's MaDTOoL??
We waited this long for AI to come back only to start this crap again?
Nonsense. The mobos aren't the limiting factor here, it's the G5 chips. And if the G5 chips are in short supply (and they will be), then what do you think Apple will do:
1. Build fewer G5 powermacs so they can sell G5 upgrade cards to current Powermac owners who would rather buy an upgrade card than a new G5 powermac.
2. Use all of the G5 chips to build high-margin Powermacs.
Also, the iPod is a poor analogy, because nobody buys an iPod in place of upgrading their Mac. iPod sales can only act as an incentive for people to upgrade to newer Mac hardware, so it runs iTunes 2 better, so it has Firewire, ect.
Apple isn't out to save customers money, they are out to make money. While satisfied customers are important for good profits, this doesn't mean that Apple will forego sales to keep mac users happy. I feel like I'm stating the obvious, but apparently not:
Because of low chips supplies, which are certain for any new motorola chip, each G5 upgrade sold would mean one less Powermac sold. And the profit margin on a G5 powermac is clearly greater than it would be on some upgrade card.
Finally, if Apple were going to sell upgrade cards, why wait for the G5? There are many, many Powermac G3 owners around who would jump at the chance to buy a 7450 G4 upgrade card for their Smurf computers. If Apple offered 867 MHz G4 upgrade cards at the Apple store, they wouldn't be able to keep them in stock! So clearly Apple doesn't intend to sell upgrades.
But I'll tell you what; if Apple DOES offer a G5 upgrade card at the Apple store, I'll suck my own dick! You have my word on that one.
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(11/30/01) The Latest from our source on the G5's
OK we got an email from our source last night telling us about the new G5's. Steve is planning a huge Ghz coming out party in January and he has even said that we wants all computers to hit 1 GHz. Now he does confirm the the new supercomputer will be running at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 GHz. But he says there are people also talking about maybe a 2.4 GHz chip announced as early as July in New York. So stay tuned.
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...and the plot thickens...
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But I'll tell you what; if Apple DOES offer a G5 upgrade card at the Apple store, I'll suck my own dick! You have my word on that one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It would be interesting to see a performance like that, for me this is quite impossible
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We waited this long for AI to come back only to start this crap again?
hey man, take a valium. you didn't get a kick out of 68K's alter ego? that was the funniest shit i ever saw on a message board.
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for as long as i can remember you have been posting the most retarded threads and replies to peoples honest posting.
you are an idiot. and stop creating a new thread every 5 minutes. i look down the list of thread creators and your name repeats over and over.
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I never said that.
There are many who think that Apple's decisions are based on the thinking that too great of an upgrade will alienate recent buyers. I personally would like it if Apple came out with a 3 GHz powermac the day after I bought a dual 800, because Apple needs all the speed they can get to increase marketshare. But apparently I'm in the minority on this one.
But anyways, we won't see Apple go from 867 top end to 1.4 GHz low end, it's just bad business for a variety of reasons. If Apple wanted to sell 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 GHZ powermacs, they would still keep the low end around 867 MHz, just so there is some overlap with recent computers. This also lets them price the new GHz powermacs higher, while clearing out the older, slower Powermacs.