Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, with iLife '07 & iWork '07 for $129 (iLife and iWork are not bundled so much as they are now part of the OS)
1. No other options, put iLife and iWork '07 in Leopard. Make it so easy to choose, that everyone will upgrade. Finally get all Mac users on the same platform.
2. Make the existing .Mac service completely free.
3. Make a .Mac equivalent to Flickr.
4. Make a .Mac equivalent to my space.
5. Grow market share to 10% in two years.
Make a shit load more money than they would have if they had of continued on with the same pricing structure, & make Mac user happy in the process. Would be a win win win win situation.
This makes total sense IMO.
I agree with everything except number 4. MySpace is the ugliest, most dysfunctional piece of shit I have ever used. Besides, social networking isn't Apple's domain, nor should it be.
I agree with everything except number 4. MySpace is the ugliest, most dysfunctional piece of shit I have ever used. Besides, social networking isn't Apple's domain, nor should it be.
I just threw that in as an extra. I'd be quite happy if the other stuff was met.
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, with iLife '07 & iWork '07 for $129 (iLife and iWork are not bundled so much as they are now part of the OS)
1. No other options, put iLife and iWork '07 in Leopard. Make it so easy to choose, that everyone will upgrade. Finally get all Mac users on the same platform.
2. Make the existing .Mac service completely free.
3. Make a .Mac equivalent to Flickr.
4. Make a .Mac equivalent to my space.
5. Grow market share to 10% in two years.
Make a shit load more money than they would have if they had of continued on with the same pricing structure, & make Mac user happy in the process. Would be a win win win win situation.
This makes total sense IMO.
I completely disagree with everything on this list, simply because it puts everything in the wrong light. .Mac is nothing but an extension for the Mac, one that is supported by Fees rather then *shudders* ADS!
It is very hard to go to a web site and not see any type of Ads. Even Google's Text Ads can get annoying sometimes, but if Apple were to make it free, it would likely be ad supported, and while it may not be a big deal for very many people, it is definately a big deal to me, to be able to go onto any part of .Mac and not see a single Ad.
iLife and iWork ARE NOT PART OF OS X!! They are all, seperate products, 1 of them being an OS, 1 of them being a combination of "Life" Software, and the other being a combination of "Work" software. The only reason people care about this one is because they don't want to pay extra for seperate products.
.Mac equivelent to Flickr= iPhoto and Photocasts.
.Mac equivelent of Myspace (sort of) = Homepage. Bonus, iWeb is backing it.
I think what is the issue is that, people criticize Mac OS X itself because it doesn't come with iLife. Microsoft Vista will ship with some similar built in products, and some will see that as an advantage, even though iLife (albeit not technically included) is far superior, offers more apps (Vista only offers photo and movie apps).
I think what is the issue is that, people criticize Mac OS X itself because it doesn't come with iLife. Microsoft Vista will ship with some similar built in products, and some will see that as an advantage, even though iLife (albeit not technically included) is far superior, offers more apps (Vista only offers photo and movie apps).
I think what is the issue is that, people criticize Mac OS X itself because it doesn't come with iLife. Microsoft Vista will ship with some similar built in products, and some will see that as an advantage, even though iLife (albeit not technically included) is far superior, offers more apps (Vista only offers photo and movie apps).
iLife comes with every new Mac, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone looking to buy a Mac, and thinks Vista will be superior because it has similar (but far less useful) Applications. For covering Basics, Address Books, Calendars, Mail, web browsing, etc. Mac OS X is the best period. For covering basic Image/Video editing, DVD creations, Music Management (I still consider iTunes part of iLife), etc. iLife is the best, but it's a seperate product. iWork, while not the best at what it does with Word Processing (yet) Keynote is the better presentation App. If any of those were to be included with Mac OS X, it would be iLife, but because it's a seperate product, it will likely just continue to be included with new Macs.
....irresistible, by including iLife and iWork....
This alone is failed logic... If anything Steve wants to make buying into the Mac platform irresistible and not simply trying to boost sales of the retail OS X Leopard update (to people already using the Mac)...
I don't think Apple has ever had a problem selling the OS to the people already using the Mac and after all these years I think they pretty much know what percentage of Mac users upgrade with every major OS revision and how many just wait to upgrade when they buy new hardware and those numbers while they might change some are not going to be swayed too drastically.
Now if it comes to making buying a new (first time or not) Mac OS X based computer... then yea Steve sure does wanna make that purchase as irresistible as possible (within reason) and guess what .... iLife and iWork are included free (for the consumer models anyway - not sure about the Pro models).
So the actual benefit to giving away iLife etc in Leopard is pretty much zero.
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I think Apple should do it like this.
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, with iLife '07 & iWork '07 for $129 (iLife and iWork are not bundled so much as they are now part of the OS)
1. No other options, put iLife and iWork '07 in Leopard. Make it so easy to choose, that everyone will upgrade. Finally get all Mac users on the same platform.
2. Make the existing .Mac service completely free.
3. Make a .Mac equivalent to Flickr.
4. Make a .Mac equivalent to my space.
5. Grow market share to 10% in two years.
Make a shit load more money than they would have if they had of continued on with the same pricing structure, & make Mac user happy in the process. Would be a win win win win situation.
This makes total sense IMO.
I agree with everything except number 4. MySpace is the ugliest, most dysfunctional piece of shit I have ever used. Besides, social networking isn't Apple's domain, nor should it be.
I agree with everything except number 4. MySpace is the ugliest, most dysfunctional piece of shit I have ever used. Besides, social networking isn't Apple's domain, nor should it be.
I just threw that in as an extra. I'd be quite happy if the other stuff was met.
I think Apple should do it like this.
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, with iLife '07 & iWork '07 for $129 (iLife and iWork are not bundled so much as they are now part of the OS)
1. No other options, put iLife and iWork '07 in Leopard. Make it so easy to choose, that everyone will upgrade. Finally get all Mac users on the same platform.
2. Make the existing .Mac service completely free.
3. Make a .Mac equivalent to Flickr.
4. Make a .Mac equivalent to my space.
5. Grow market share to 10% in two years.
Make a shit load more money than they would have if they had of continued on with the same pricing structure, & make Mac user happy in the process. Would be a win win win win situation.
This makes total sense IMO.
I completely disagree with everything on this list, simply because it puts everything in the wrong light. .Mac is nothing but an extension for the Mac, one that is supported by Fees rather then *shudders* ADS!
It is very hard to go to a web site and not see any type of Ads. Even Google's Text Ads can get annoying sometimes, but if Apple were to make it free, it would likely be ad supported, and while it may not be a big deal for very many people, it is definately a big deal to me, to be able to go onto any part of .Mac and not see a single Ad.
iLife and iWork ARE NOT PART OF OS X!! They are all, seperate products, 1 of them being an OS, 1 of them being a combination of "Life" Software, and the other being a combination of "Work" software. The only reason people care about this one is because they don't want to pay extra for seperate products.
.Mac equivelent to Flickr= iPhoto and Photocasts.
.Mac equivelent of Myspace (sort of) = Homepage. Bonus, iWeb is backing it.
oh, and for #5, I can only hope.
Sebastian
I think what is the issue is that, people criticize Mac OS X itself because it doesn't come with iLife. Microsoft Vista will ship with some similar built in products, and some will see that as an advantage, even though iLife (albeit not technically included) is far superior, offers more apps (Vista only offers photo and movie apps).
We'll see what happens, glad we had this talk.
I think what is the issue is that, people criticize Mac OS X itself because it doesn't come with iLife. Microsoft Vista will ship with some similar built in products, and some will see that as an advantage, even though iLife (albeit not technically included) is far superior, offers more apps (Vista only offers photo and movie apps).
iLife comes with every new Mac, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone looking to buy a Mac, and thinks Vista will be superior because it has similar (but far less useful) Applications. For covering Basics, Address Books, Calendars, Mail, web browsing, etc. Mac OS X is the best period. For covering basic Image/Video editing, DVD creations, Music Management (I still consider iTunes part of iLife), etc. iLife is the best, but it's a seperate product. iWork, while not the best at what it does with Word Processing (yet) Keynote is the better presentation App. If any of those were to be included with Mac OS X, it would be iLife, but because it's a seperate product, it will likely just continue to be included with new Macs.
Sebastian
Not really.
explain?
explain?
The difference between those two options is debatably a matter of opinion, but that's why they are there. Vagueness is my favourite art.
....irresistible, by including iLife and iWork....
This alone is failed logic... If anything Steve wants to make buying into the Mac platform irresistible and not simply trying to boost sales of the retail OS X Leopard update (to people already using the Mac)...
I don't think Apple has ever had a problem selling the OS to the people already using the Mac and after all these years I think they pretty much know what percentage of Mac users upgrade with every major OS revision and how many just wait to upgrade when they buy new hardware and those numbers while they might change some are not going to be swayed too drastically.
Now if it comes to making buying a new (first time or not) Mac OS X based computer... then yea Steve sure does wanna make that purchase as irresistible as possible (within reason) and guess what .... iLife and iWork are included free (for the consumer models anyway - not sure about the Pro models).
So the actual benefit to giving away iLife etc in Leopard is pretty much zero.
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