is there a way to enable the draft n without purchasing the Airport Extreme?
I wouldn't have a problem with the gigabit missing except they put a USB 2.0 connection on it. Now that poses a problem for me. I have a ethernet 10/100 drive connected directly to the network via a Cat5e wire and while it is fast, it could be faster since I have all gigabit switches and CoreDuo stuff.
This is defintely a "no buy" until they get this upgraded to something useful.
I posted a message on Apple's discussion forms questioning why Apple choose 100MB rather then 1000MB.
My post was QUICKLY removed (I mean in under an hour).
Where's my freedom of speech in a public message forum? It's okay to ask lame ass questions but when someone posts a reasonable question they remove the post.
Nice Apple. WE KNOW YOUR GAME.
"Apple Discussions is a user-to-user support forum"
Did you expect any other user knowing the answer? Is it support? That's why it was deleted.
I wouldn't have a problem with the gigabit missing except they put a USB 2.0 connection on it. Now that poses a problem for me. I have a ethernet 10/100 drive connected directly to the network via a Cat5e wire and while it is fast, it could be faster since I have all gigabit switches and CoreDuo stuff.
This is defintely a "no buy" until they get this upgraded to something useful.
This is speculative...
AppleTV is a pretty static device. Meaning, that 10, or even 20, years from now it could still work to do the same basic functions that it originally did. Perhaps, in an effort to increase longterm sales, they are going to release Gigabit Ethernet, 1080p and a larger HDD (80 to 100GB) with the device. Most people who are buying this now are "early adopters" and will most likely buy again when it's "refreshed". It gives Apple somewhere to go with the product.
So what's the best way to go about jabbing a manufacturer into making a 4 port gigE switch + USB 2.0 hub combo, the same size, shape, and color as the new APX?
I wouldn't have a problem with the gigabit missing except they put a USB 2.0 connection on it. Now that poses a problem for me. I have a ethernet 10/100 drive connected directly to the network via a Cat5e wire and while it is fast, it could be faster since I have all gigabit switches and CoreDuo stuff.
This is defintely a "no buy" until they get this upgraded to something useful.
SATA 3Gb/s is double the speed of the current SATA interface of 1.5Gb/s. SATA 3Gb/s enables the highest level of performance while maintaining desktop cost structures.
Now I have no problem with more speed but.....what is the usefullness of 1Gb Ethernet (1000Base-T) in a consumer product?
Consumer products, like MacBook and IMac all come with 10/100/1000 ethernet. The usefulness: It can (theoretically) add 10x more bandwidth to your wired devices.
Consumer products, like MacBook and IMac all come with 10/100/1000 ethernet. The usefulness: It can (theoretically) add 10x more bandwidth to your wired devices.
But what will the consumer do with the extra bandwidth? My car does 120 miles per hour unless I take it to a race track it does me no good!
But what will the consumer do with the extra bandwidth? My car does 120 miles per hour unless I take it to a race track it does me no good!
You have the analogy backwards, Gigabit Ethernet IS the track. The car is the computer's ability to process that information. If the AppleTV's processor is too slow and the RAM to little then the machine can't achieve fast enough speeds to handle all the data.
PS: Would that make Denial Of Service attacks Road Rag?
You have the analogy backwards, Gigabit Ethernet IS the track. The car is the computer's ability to process that information. If the AppleTV's processor is too slow and the RAM to little then the machine can't achieve fast enough speeds to handle all the data.
PS: Would that make Denial Of Service attacks Road Rag?
Good point. I think my question is misunderstood. In my day to day life I can think of only one occassion (backing up a 40GB hard drive over the network) where I have wished I had unlimited bandwidth.
I guess I am wondering....if a 7 Mb/s or 15 Mb/s broadband connection is sufficient to download a full length movie from iTunes in just a few minutes then how often would I really need a 1000 Mb/s connection within my home network? An 802.11n connection is good for 108 Mb/s assuming a 100% connection. Unless we wire up our homes with CAT6 cable, do most of us need a network connection found only in large corporate networks with 10s of thousands of users? 1 Gb/s sounds great to a geek but my mom and dad could care less.
In real world when i switched from Netgear 100 to Netgear 1000 switch it trippled my transfer speed. So i can transfer DVD in 4-5 minutes from one PC to another instead of 15 minutes. Did that give you idea why gigabit ethernet port is a must even in consumer grade ?
Netgear switch with gigabit ethernet costs 40 - 50 bones , Dlink's great 4300 router costs $120. Yes this has draft N over 4300 router but 4300 has been out for over a year and has gigabit ports and is still $60 cheaper.
I cant believe Apple went THIS cheap with this gear.
In real world when i switched from Netgear 100 to Netgear 1000 switch it trippled my transfer speed. So i can transfer DVD in 4-5 minutes from one PC to another instead of 15 minutes. Did that give you idea why gigabit ethernet port is a must even in consumer grade ?
Netgear switch with gigabit ethernet costs 40 - 50 bones , Dlink's great 4300 router costs $120. Yes this has draft N over 4300 router but 4300 has been out for over a year and has gigabit ports and is still $60 cheaper.
I cant believe Apple went THIS cheap with this gear.
Dido this guy! I juse ordered a Buffalo 500 GB Gigabit network drive from Tiger Direct becuase Apple can't seem to understand we need gigabit speeds these days. I want to move 5 - 15 GB of data over my network every night while I am asleep. It takes forever on a 100 ethernet network HDD. As in, many many hours due to the number of files.
I have seen a 3x increase in speed between my C2D 24" iMac and CD MBP since moving to gigabit switches.
Bottom line, I spent $305 on a solution tonight with Tiger Direct because Apple is stuck in i Gadget land and forgot about the wireless networking.
Dido this guy! I juse ordered a Buffalo 500 GB Gigabit network drive from Tiger Direct becuase Apple can't seem to understand we need gigabit speeds these days. I want to move 5 - 15 GB of data over my network every night while I am asleep. It takes forever on a 100 ethernet network HDD. As in, many many hours due to the number of files.
I have seen a 3x increase in speed between my C2D 24" iMac and CD MBP since moving to gigabit switches.
Bottom line, I spent $305 on a solution tonight with Tiger Direct because Apple is stuck in i Gadget land and forgot about the wireless networking.
There will be an 1Gb/s version I am sure. But...my point was that the vast majority of computer users are not tech geeks who have a "need" to move DVD content accross a home network or "15GB over the network" each night.
But what will the consumer do with the extra bandwidth? My car does 120 miles per hour unless I take it to a race track it does me no good!
But even Apple's own 'consumer' mac, the iMac, and its cheapest mac (mac mini) have had Gigabit for a while now ... why include that in your computer and not your router?
It makes no sense what-so-ever ... and I'm hoping its just a typo from their website.
It's not a typo, according to the Mac phone line. They were, frankly, a bit snotty about it.
I'd also like to see jumbo frame support. I would like to be able to have multiple streams coming off of my NAS to different computers, iTV, etc. around the house. I'm so irritated about the lack of gigE. I hope my n enable 24" iMac works with someone else's draft n router.
So I recently purchased a C2D MacBook Pro and am just wanting a clarification. So if I was to purchase a Linksys or Netgear wireless n router and didn't have the firmware update to my MacBook Pro, then I wouldn't be able to achieve n speeds? I had intended on buying Apple's Airport Extreme when it was updated after Macworld but now I just don't know if it's worth the extra money when I could have and 802.11n router for $70 less that could do everything that the Airport Extreme could do but have GB ethernet as well. Any thoughts?
So I recently purchased a C2D MacBook Pro and am just wanting a clarification. So if I was to purchase a Linksys or Netgear wireless n router and didn't have the firmware update to my MacBook Pro, then I wouldn't be able to achieve n speeds? I had intended on buying Apple's Airport Extreme when it was updated after Macworld but now I just don't know if it's worth the extra money when I could have and 802.11n router for $70 less that could do everything that the Airport Extreme could do but have GB ethernet as well. Any thoughts?
You need to update the firmware. Here's hoping that someone posts the firmware onlne soon.
The Airport Extreme has built in Print/File Server capabilities. Something these other models don't have. THis probably doesn't warrant the additional cost, but it does at elast help set it apart.
but they screwed it up. no gigabit. stupid apple, 10/100 is for 1998.
If there was a lame duck product, the router was it. They should have 1000 speed ports, two USBs so you could hook up a printer and a hard drive and an audio out for airtunes.
Then again, they really should have combined it with the AppleTV and just had it do everything.
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Yes. Apple will be posting an update for the airport cards in all of the supported Core 2 duo Macs shortly - probably in a few days.
is there a way to enable the draft n without purchasing the Airport Extreme?
I wouldn't have a problem with the gigabit missing except they put a USB 2.0 connection on it. Now that poses a problem for me. I have a ethernet 10/100 drive connected directly to the network via a Cat5e wire and while it is fast, it could be faster since I have all gigabit switches and CoreDuo stuff.
This is defintely a "no buy" until they get this upgraded to something useful.
I posted a message on Apple's discussion forms questioning why Apple choose 100MB rather then 1000MB.
My post was QUICKLY removed (I mean in under an hour).
Where's my freedom of speech in a public message forum? It's okay to ask lame ass questions but when someone posts a reasonable question they remove the post.
Nice Apple. WE KNOW YOUR GAME.
"Apple Discussions is a user-to-user support forum"
Did you expect any other user knowing the answer? Is it support? That's why it was deleted.
I wouldn't have a problem with the gigabit missing except they put a USB 2.0 connection on it. Now that poses a problem for me. I have a ethernet 10/100 drive connected directly to the network via a Cat5e wire and while it is fast, it could be faster since I have all gigabit switches and CoreDuo stuff.
This is defintely a "no buy" until they get this upgraded to something useful.
This is speculative...
AppleTV is a pretty static device. Meaning, that 10, or even 20, years from now it could still work to do the same basic functions that it originally did. Perhaps, in an effort to increase longterm sales, they are going to release Gigabit Ethernet, 1080p and a larger HDD (80 to 100GB) with the device. Most people who are buying this now are "early adopters" and will most likely buy again when it's "refreshed". It gives Apple somewhere to go with the product.
Just a thought.
biggest non - announcement at the show....
but they screwed it up. no gigabit. stupid apple, 10/100 is for 1998.
Now I have no problem with more speed but.....what is the usefullness of 1Gb Ethernet (1000Base-T) in a consumer product?
I wouldn't have a problem with the gigabit missing except they put a USB 2.0 connection on it. Now that poses a problem for me. I have a ethernet 10/100 drive connected directly to the network via a Cat5e wire and while it is fast, it could be faster since I have all gigabit switches and CoreDuo stuff.
This is defintely a "no buy" until they get this upgraded to something useful.
From http://www.sata-io.org/3g.asp:
SATA 3Gb/s is double the speed of the current SATA interface of 1.5Gb/s. SATA 3Gb/s enables the highest level of performance while maintaining desktop cost structures.
Now I have no problem with more speed but.....what is the usefullness of 1Gb Ethernet (1000Base-T) in a consumer product?
Consumer products, like MacBook and IMac all come with 10/100/1000 ethernet. The usefulness: It can (theoretically) add 10x more bandwidth to your wired devices.
biggest non - announcement at the show....
but they screwed it up. no gigabit. stupid apple, 10/100 is for 1998.
Technically speaking it's Gigabit Ethernet that is 1998.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.3
Consumer products, like MacBook and IMac all come with 10/100/1000 ethernet. The usefulness: It can (theoretically) add 10x more bandwidth to your wired devices.
But what will the consumer do with the extra bandwidth? My car does 120 miles per hour unless I take it to a race track it does me no good!
But what will the consumer do with the extra bandwidth? My car does 120 miles per hour unless I take it to a race track it does me no good!
You have the analogy backwards, Gigabit Ethernet IS the track. The car is the computer's ability to process that information. If the AppleTV's processor is too slow and the RAM to little then the machine can't achieve fast enough speeds to handle all the data.
PS: Would that make Denial Of Service attacks Road Rag?
You have the analogy backwards, Gigabit Ethernet IS the track. The car is the computer's ability to process that information. If the AppleTV's processor is too slow and the RAM to little then the machine can't achieve fast enough speeds to handle all the data.
PS: Would that make Denial Of Service attacks Road Rag?
Good point. I think my question is misunderstood. In my day to day life I can think of only one occassion (backing up a 40GB hard drive over the network) where I have wished I had unlimited bandwidth.
I guess I am wondering....if a 7 Mb/s or 15 Mb/s broadband connection is sufficient to download a full length movie from iTunes in just a few minutes then how often would I really need a 1000 Mb/s connection within my home network? An 802.11n connection is good for 108 Mb/s assuming a 100% connection. Unless we wire up our homes with CAT6 cable, do most of us need a network connection found only in large corporate networks with 10s of thousands of users? 1 Gb/s sounds great to a geek but my mom and dad could care less.
Netgear switch with gigabit ethernet costs 40 - 50 bones , Dlink's great 4300 router costs $120. Yes this has draft N over 4300 router but 4300 has been out for over a year and has gigabit ports and is still $60 cheaper.
I cant believe Apple went THIS cheap with this gear.
In real world when i switched from Netgear 100 to Netgear 1000 switch it trippled my transfer speed. So i can transfer DVD in 4-5 minutes from one PC to another instead of 15 minutes. Did that give you idea why gigabit ethernet port is a must even in consumer grade ?
Netgear switch with gigabit ethernet costs 40 - 50 bones , Dlink's great 4300 router costs $120. Yes this has draft N over 4300 router but 4300 has been out for over a year and has gigabit ports and is still $60 cheaper.
I cant believe Apple went THIS cheap with this gear.
Dido this guy! I juse ordered a Buffalo 500 GB Gigabit network drive from Tiger Direct becuase Apple can't seem to understand we need gigabit speeds these days. I want to move 5 - 15 GB of data over my network every night while I am asleep. It takes forever on a 100 ethernet network HDD. As in, many many hours due to the number of files.
I have seen a 3x increase in speed between my C2D 24" iMac and CD MBP since moving to gigabit switches.
Bottom line, I spent $305 on a solution tonight with Tiger Direct because Apple is stuck in i Gadget land and forgot about the wireless networking.
Dido this guy! I juse ordered a Buffalo 500 GB Gigabit network drive from Tiger Direct becuase Apple can't seem to understand we need gigabit speeds these days. I want to move 5 - 15 GB of data over my network every night while I am asleep. It takes forever on a 100 ethernet network HDD. As in, many many hours due to the number of files.
I have seen a 3x increase in speed between my C2D 24" iMac and CD MBP since moving to gigabit switches.
Bottom line, I spent $305 on a solution tonight with Tiger Direct because Apple is stuck in i Gadget land and forgot about the wireless networking.
There will be an 1Gb/s version I am sure. But...my point was that the vast majority of computer users are not tech geeks who have a "need" to move DVD content accross a home network or "15GB over the network" each night.
I happen to want the 1Gb/s.
But what will the consumer do with the extra bandwidth? My car does 120 miles per hour unless I take it to a race track it does me no good!
But even Apple's own 'consumer' mac, the iMac, and its cheapest mac (mac mini) have had Gigabit for a while now ... why include that in your computer and not your router?
It makes no sense what-so-ever ... and I'm hoping its just a typo from their website.
I'd also like to see jumbo frame support. I would like to be able to have multiple streams coming off of my NAS to different computers, iTV, etc. around the house. I'm so irritated about the lack of gigE. I hope my n enable 24" iMac works with someone else's draft n router.
So I recently purchased a C2D MacBook Pro and am just wanting a clarification. So if I was to purchase a Linksys or Netgear wireless n router and didn't have the firmware update to my MacBook Pro, then I wouldn't be able to achieve n speeds? I had intended on buying Apple's Airport Extreme when it was updated after Macworld but now I just don't know if it's worth the extra money when I could have and 802.11n router for $70 less that could do everything that the Airport Extreme could do but have GB ethernet as well. Any thoughts?
You need to update the firmware. Here's hoping that someone posts the firmware onlne soon.
The Airport Extreme has built in Print/File Server capabilities. Something these other models don't have. THis probably doesn't warrant the additional cost, but it does at elast help set it apart.
biggest non - announcement at the show....
but they screwed it up. no gigabit. stupid apple, 10/100 is for 1998.
If there was a lame duck product, the router was it. They should have 1000 speed ports, two USBs so you could hook up a printer and a hard drive and an audio out for airtunes.
Then again, they really should have combined it with the AppleTV and just had it do everything.