What more could you ask from a wireless router? I mean, the internet itself isn't even 540 Mbit/s and unless you have Fibre running in your house... and 10,000RPM HD's to keep up with the data transfer on a 1000/t network it's pretty useless isn't it?
Man, I really hope Apple has someone reading these Mac forums full time to hear our thoughts about their products, such as the $h1ty lack of Gigabit ethernet on Airport Extreme, and many, many other things. Sometimes I wonder if we're all just talking to ourselves and Apple never hears any of these great comments and arguments as to why they screwed up on this or that. Does anyone know if Apple reads Apple Insider, MacRumors, etc? Is there any better way of sending Apple our feedback??? A lot of things really erks me and I wish I could pick up the phone and call Steve Jobs, or at least email him - not that he'd give a $h1t.
Man, I really hope Apple has someone reading these Mac forums full time to hear our thoughts about their products, such as the $h1ty lack of Gigabit ethernet on Airport Extreme, and many, many other things. Sometimes I wonder if we're all just talking to ourselves and Apple never hears any of these great comments and arguments as to why they screwed up on this or that. Does anyone know if Apple reads Apple Insider, MacRumors, etc? Is there any better way of sending Apple our feedback??? A lot of things really erks me and I wish I could pick up the phone and call Steve Jobs, or at least email him - not that he'd give a $h1t.
You mean YOUR thoughts, since apparently you're the only person stupid enough to want them to raise the price of the Airport Extreme by $100 for a wasted feature no one would use?
Then again, they really should have combined it with the AppleTV and just had it do everything.
Yup. Include the router in Apple TV. Take out the small hard drive, and then people who want to can use the USB port to attach a large hard drive and sync ALL itunes media to it for back up. If you don't want to attach a hard drive, it just streams everything.
You mean YOUR thoughts, since apparently you're the only person stupid enough to want them to raise the price of the Airport Extreme by $100 for a wasted feature no one would use?
NO, gregmightdothat! #1) I don't want them to raise the price, #2) I did NOT say that I did want them to, #3) they would not have to raise it because Gigabit is so cheap now days, and #4) I've seen LOADS of posters on these forums and on Macrumors forums who are just as pi$$ed as I am about this.
What more could you ask from a wireless router? I mean, the internet itself isn't even 540 Mbit/s and unless you have Fibre running in your house... and 10,000RPM HD's to keep up with the data transfer on a 1000/t network it's pretty useless isn't it?
We could ask for gigabit wired ports. Internal networks (not the internet) need to move data fast. Like, as fast as possible. Without gigabit, it makes it next to impossible to back up across the network. Moving 160 + GB from several computers to a NAS takes time, and gigabit is 3x faster minimum in real world CAT5e cable homes and workplaces.
So, yeah, we need the gigabit bad, especially in router form. Heck, at home I move 15 GB across the home network every night to my 500 GB NAS drive. On a 100 ethernet switch it sucks, let me tell ya! Also, I didn't catch where he wanted a price incrase.
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You mean YOUR thoughts, since apparently you're the only person stupid enough to want them to raise the price of the Airport Extreme by $100 for a wasted feature no one would use?
I am pretty sure he means the world's thoughts. Gigabit ethernet is not a wasted feature. You don't move much data across networks, huh?
What more could you ask from a wireless router? I mean, the internet itself isn't even 540 Mbit/s and unless you have Fibre running in your house... and 10,000RPM HD's to keep up with the data transfer on a 1000/t network it's pretty useless isn't it?
How hard is it to read at least parts of the thread before you throw in your uninformed opinion ?!?!
I mean really , didnt you read that gigabit transfers files at the very least 3 times as fast as 100mb switch in real world scenario.
Fiber / 10 000rmp HDs and what not , do not affect this one bit.
I am pretty sure he means the world's thoughts. Gigabit ethernet is not a wasted feature. You don't move much data across networks, huh?
Let me get this straight:
You, in all seriousness, want to purchase a wireless router. Then, you plan to not use the wireless portion, and use the wired portion exclusively, despite there being wired-only solutions for half the price. And to add insult to injury, you plan to do this AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE BUYING PUBLIC.
I didnt see anywhere where he said he does not plan on using wireless....
"And to add insult to injury, you plan to do this AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE BUYING PUBLIC."
You for real or just slow ? Router is only step below 200 bones where Dlink with same specs ( 4x100LAN 1xWAN + USB port , N draf router ) is right now for $99.99 at newegg.
So "buying public" is already paying for gigabit tech in this flop , they're just not getting it.
Apple is my favorite company but even i can put down my blindfolds down when i see they f'ed up.
179 is steep. It would have been a MUCH better deal if it was gigabit Ethernet. ( I suppose everyone would be happy then )
Does anyone know if the router has itune server function? I will be very disappointed if it has not since most third party NAS has this function as well.
May be they should get a new router with 1Gb Ethernet and eSATA
You, in all seriousness, want to purchase a wireless router. Then, you plan to not use the wireless portion, and use the wired portion exclusively, despite there being wired-only solutions for half the price. And to add insult to injury, you plan to do this AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE BUYING PUBLIC.
What is wrong with you people?
I never said I was going to use the wired portion exclusively. I plan on using the wireless part in my lazy boy with my MBP, when friends come over, etc. The rest of my network is on wires man.
I do not think my decesion effects the rest of the buying public.
Yes, I would pay the premium if it had Gigabit ethernet. Unless they make a change in the next 2 - 3 months on that, I will go with linksys.
There seems to be two groups of people here...the group that says they don't see the need for 1000-T Ethernet and those that already NEED it (me in this group).
Gb ethernet has nothing to do with how fast your DSL, cable modem, or FIOS connection is, yet the argument for not needing Gb ethernet stem from people thinking that it does...I am making an educated guess that the group that don't see the need are recent mac owners and new mac owners who only have single computer in his/her house hold and or not a power user.
In my apartment I have 3 mac computers. Each time I needed to upgrade my computer I put the current one as a print server or as a "file management" server. How many of you started with one large HD backup, then two, then three, and so on. By having Gb ethernet, I can wirelessly access all my multiple HD files from my central "file management" server. It would be nice to have USB server/ print server but for now I use my Epson R2400 printer through shared connection from my central server computer. So, I am already taxing my wireless "g" router and the fact that current 802.11n Gb routers are priced around $179.00, Apple flubbed big time to not go with 1000-T route!
The Belkin N1 Draft-N router doesn't have GigE, nor does the Buffalo WZR-G300N or the Linksys WRT300N. I don't believe any of the Draft-N routers using the Broadcom chipset had Gig-E until very recently (if at all yet). The older Broadcom based routers used the BCM5325 10/100 switch and not the BCM5397 GigE part because Broadcom only released their update to the Intensi-fi draft-N chipset (BCM4705) on Dec 6.
Apple will likely do an update eventually but frankly with Draft-N gear you better make sure that you at least share the same chipset among all your Draft-N equipment if not the supplier which is safer.
Buying a "cheaper" draft-n router that is "better" with GigE with a different chipset and you will likely end up slower than a G network. If you want it to work with your existing Mac and the aTV the Airport Extreme is the best bet.
Besides...who cares anyway? None of the Draft-N routers show higher than 90 Mbps except for the Netgear RangeMax. Which hit a little over 100Mbps at an astonishing range of...7 feet.
The 10/100 switch is hardly the slowest link in the chain...unless you happen to use your wireless gear within say 10 feet of your router. Which better be the Netgear...
The D-Link at Newegg for $95 I believe has the Atheros Super-G chipset. Appears to drop to 802.11g with the Broadcom based draft-N boxes from the tests (different model was tested so YMMV) and reportedly connects at 54 Mbps but with a tested average throughput of around 4-6 up and 7-10 down. Major suckage.
Given the case I'd probably avoid any of the older D-Links now being offered on a discount. I believe that Broadcom and Atheros had some kind of press release touting that they'd have better interoperability in the future but the older gear didn't play nice.
Or wait and see how well the draft-N Macs play with various routers now that they've been enabled and only buy routers shown to be compatible.
You guys whining the loudest? I recommend you go buy that D-Link for $95. Let us know if its safe to buy.
There seems to be two groups of people here...the group that says they don't see the need for 1000-T Ethernet and those that already NEED it (me in this group).
Gb ethernet has nothing to do with how fast your DSL, cable modem, or FIOS connection is, yet the argument for not needing Gb ethernet stem from people thinking that it does...I am making an educated guess that the group that don't see the need are recent mac owners and new mac owners who only have single computer in his/her house hold and or not a power user.
In my apartment I have 3 mac computers. Each time I needed to upgrade my computer I put the current one as a print server or as a "file management" server. How many of you started with one large HD backup, then two, then three, and so on. By having Gb ethernet, I can wirelessly access all my multiple HD files from my central "file management" server. It would be nice to have USB server/ print server but for now I use my Epson R2400 printer through shared connection from my central server computer. So, I am already taxing my wireless "g" router and the fact that current 802.11n Gb routers are priced around $179.00, Apple flubbed big time to not go with 1000-T route!
Your post reflects my post and every normal person in the world. But the poster above, no offense, must jump into these threads without reading them through.
The gigabit is for the wired people and yes, it is needed and yes, the 10/100 is the slowest link in the chain on a wired network.
Your post reflects my post and every normal person in the world. But the poster above, no offense, must jump into these threads without reading them through.
The gigabit is for the wired people and yes, it is needed and yes, the 10/100 is the slowest link in the chain on a wired network.
Which is why you're whining about a wireless router? Because you're wired people? Because in your existing GigE network you don't have an existing GigE switch? Pray tell how do you connect anything now?
Here...let me correct his statement:
"Gb ethernet has nothing to do with how fast your DSL, cable modem, FIOS connection or wireless network is, yet the argument for needing Gb ethernet on a wireless router stems from people thinking that it does..."
Would it have been nice if it were Gig-E swtich? Sure! But for the purposes of being a wireless router it isn't the weak link (the draftness of the spec, the poor interoprability, the mess it makes of legacy B/G networks and typically less than 100Mbps performance is) and there are plenty of other Draft-N routers with 10/100 switches built in and I explained why the Airport is likely built with a 10/100 switch rather than a GigE switch like some Atheros based switches (ie not cost but ease of using the Broadcom package as is...which I guess is cost but whatever).
I was in any case responding to the folks that a) think the 10/100 switch cripples the router for WIRELESS connectivity which except for a couple brands under good circumstances (which typically use the Marvell TopDog chipset) typically wont exceed FastEthernet throughput and b) think the $99 D-LINK is a better deal for use with Apple Draft-N machines because its likely NOT better but far worse.
Which you might have noticed if YOU read the thread and not just the parts stating the obvious that GigE is faster than FastEthernet. No kidding? Really? OMG alert the media.
Yah sure...get the Linksys Draft-N router. Just make sure it has the Broadcom chipset.
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What more could you ask from a wireless router? I mean, the internet itself isn't even 540 Mbit/s and unless you have Fibre running in your house... and 10,000RPM HD's to keep up with the data transfer on a 1000/t network it's pretty useless isn't it?
Man, I really hope Apple has someone reading these Mac forums full time to hear our thoughts about their products, such as the $h1ty lack of Gigabit ethernet on Airport Extreme, and many, many other things. Sometimes I wonder if we're all just talking to ourselves and Apple never hears any of these great comments and arguments as to why they screwed up on this or that. Does anyone know if Apple reads Apple Insider, MacRumors, etc? Is there any better way of sending Apple our feedback??? A lot of things really erks me and I wish I could pick up the phone and call Steve Jobs, or at least email him - not that he'd give a $h1t.
You mean YOUR thoughts, since apparently you're the only person stupid enough to want them to raise the price of the Airport Extreme by $100 for a wasted feature no one would use?
Then again, they really should have combined it with the AppleTV and just had it do everything.
Yup. Include the router in Apple TV. Take out the small hard drive, and then people who want to can use the USB port to attach a large hard drive and sync ALL itunes media to it for back up. If you don't want to attach a hard drive, it just streams everything.
You mean YOUR thoughts, since apparently you're the only person stupid enough to want them to raise the price of the Airport Extreme by $100 for a wasted feature no one would use?
NO, gregmightdothat! #1) I don't want them to raise the price, #2) I did NOT say that I did want them to, #3) they would not have to raise it because Gigabit is so cheap now days, and #4) I've seen LOADS of posters on these forums and on Macrumors forums who are just as pi$$ed as I am about this.
802.11n\t200 Mbit/s\t540 Mbit/s\t~165 feet\t~410 feet
What more could you ask from a wireless router? I mean, the internet itself isn't even 540 Mbit/s and unless you have Fibre running in your house... and 10,000RPM HD's to keep up with the data transfer on a 1000/t network it's pretty useless isn't it?
We could ask for gigabit wired ports. Internal networks (not the internet) need to move data fast. Like, as fast as possible. Without gigabit, it makes it next to impossible to back up across the network. Moving 160 + GB from several computers to a NAS takes time, and gigabit is 3x faster minimum in real world CAT5e cable homes and workplaces.
So, yeah, we need the gigabit bad, especially in router form. Heck, at home I move 15 GB across the home network every night to my 500 GB NAS drive. On a 100 ethernet switch it sucks, let me tell ya! Also, I didn't catch where he wanted a price incrase.
You mean YOUR thoughts, since apparently you're the only person stupid enough to want them to raise the price of the Airport Extreme by $100 for a wasted feature no one would use?
I am pretty sure he means the world's thoughts. Gigabit ethernet is not a wasted feature.
802.11n\t200 Mbit/s\t540 Mbit/s\t~165 feet\t~410 feet
What more could you ask from a wireless router? I mean, the internet itself isn't even 540 Mbit/s and unless you have Fibre running in your house... and 10,000RPM HD's to keep up with the data transfer on a 1000/t network it's pretty useless isn't it?
How hard is it to read at least parts of the thread before you throw in your uninformed opinion ?!?!
I mean really , didnt you read that gigabit transfers files at the very least 3 times as fast as 100mb switch in real world scenario.
Fiber / 10 000rmp HDs and what not , do not affect this one bit.
I am pretty sure he means the world's thoughts. Gigabit ethernet is not a wasted feature.
Let me get this straight:
You, in all seriousness, want to purchase a wireless router. Then, you plan to not use the wireless portion, and use the wired portion exclusively, despite there being wired-only solutions for half the price. And to add insult to injury, you plan to do this AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE BUYING PUBLIC.
What is wrong with you people?
"And to add insult to injury, you plan to do this AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE BUYING PUBLIC."
You for real or just slow ? Router is only step below 200 bones where Dlink with same specs ( 4x100LAN 1xWAN + USB port , N draf router ) is right now for $99.99 at newegg.
So "buying public" is already paying for gigabit tech in this flop , they're just not getting it.
Apple is my favorite company but even i can put down my blindfolds down when i see they f'ed up.
Does anyone know if the router has itune server function? I will be very disappointed if it has not since most third party NAS has this function as well.
May be they should get a new router with 1Gb Ethernet and eSATA
That would be great
Let me get this straight:
You, in all seriousness, want to purchase a wireless router. Then, you plan to not use the wireless portion, and use the wired portion exclusively, despite there being wired-only solutions for half the price. And to add insult to injury, you plan to do this AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE BUYING PUBLIC.
What is wrong with you people?
I never said I was going to use the wired portion exclusively.
I do not think my decesion effects the rest of the buying public.
Yes, I would pay the premium if it had Gigabit ethernet. Unless they make a change in the next 2 - 3 months on that, I will go with linksys.
Are all the Core 1 Duo Macbook Pros 802.11g only (ie not n)?
Any Core 1 Duo Mac* is 802.11g-only. Only Core 2 Duo and Xeon Macs have 802.11n.
*) Actually, I'm not sure about the Rev B Mac mini.
Gb ethernet has nothing to do with how fast your DSL, cable modem, or FIOS connection is, yet the argument for not needing Gb ethernet stem from people thinking that it does...I am making an educated guess that the group that don't see the need are recent mac owners and new mac owners who only have single computer in his/her house hold and or not a power user.
In my apartment I have 3 mac computers. Each time I needed to upgrade my computer I put the current one as a print server or as a "file management" server. How many of you started with one large HD backup, then two, then three, and so on. By having Gb ethernet, I can wirelessly access all my multiple HD files from my central "file management" server. It would be nice to have USB server/ print server but for now I use my Epson R2400 printer through shared connection from my central server computer. So, I am already taxing my wireless "g" router and the fact that current 802.11n Gb routers are priced around $179.00, Apple flubbed big time to not go with 1000-T route!
Apple will likely do an update eventually but frankly with Draft-N gear you better make sure that you at least share the same chipset among all your Draft-N equipment if not the supplier which is safer.
Buying a "cheaper" draft-n router that is "better" with GigE with a different chipset and you will likely end up slower than a G network. If you want it to work with your existing Mac and the aTV the Airport Extreme is the best bet.
Besides...who cares anyway? None of the Draft-N routers show higher than 90 Mbps except for the Netgear RangeMax. Which hit a little over 100Mbps at an astonishing range of...7 feet.
The 10/100 switch is hardly the slowest link in the chain...unless you happen to use your wireless gear within say 10 feet of your router. Which better be the Netgear...
Vinea
Given the case I'd probably avoid any of the older D-Links now being offered on a discount. I believe that Broadcom and Atheros had some kind of press release touting that they'd have better interoperability in the future but the older gear didn't play nice.
Or wait and see how well the draft-N Macs play with various routers now that they've been enabled and only buy routers shown to be compatible.
You guys whining the loudest? I recommend you go buy that D-Link for $95. Let us know if its safe to buy.
Vinea
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/conte...27008/100/1/2/
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2013307,00.asp
There seems to be two groups of people here...the group that says they don't see the need for 1000-T Ethernet and those that already NEED it (me in this group).
Gb ethernet has nothing to do with how fast your DSL, cable modem, or FIOS connection is, yet the argument for not needing Gb ethernet stem from people thinking that it does...I am making an educated guess that the group that don't see the need are recent mac owners and new mac owners who only have single computer in his/her house hold and or not a power user.
In my apartment I have 3 mac computers. Each time I needed to upgrade my computer I put the current one as a print server or as a "file management" server. How many of you started with one large HD backup, then two, then three, and so on. By having Gb ethernet, I can wirelessly access all my multiple HD files from my central "file management" server. It would be nice to have USB server/ print server but for now I use my Epson R2400 printer through shared connection from my central server computer. So, I am already taxing my wireless "g" router and the fact that current 802.11n Gb routers are priced around $179.00, Apple flubbed big time to not go with 1000-T route!
Your post reflects my post and every normal person in the world. But the poster above, no offense, must jump into these threads without reading them through.
The gigabit is for the wired people and yes, it is needed and yes, the 10/100 is the slowest link in the chain on a wired network.
Your post reflects my post and every normal person in the world. But the poster above, no offense, must jump into these threads without reading them through.
The gigabit is for the wired people and yes, it is needed and yes, the 10/100 is the slowest link in the chain on a wired network.
Which is why you're whining about a wireless router? Because you're wired people? Because in your existing GigE network you don't have an existing GigE switch? Pray tell how do you connect anything now?
Here...let me correct his statement:
"Gb ethernet has nothing to do with how fast your DSL, cable modem, FIOS connection or wireless network is, yet the argument for needing Gb ethernet on a wireless router stems from people thinking that it does..."
Would it have been nice if it were Gig-E swtich? Sure! But for the purposes of being a wireless router it isn't the weak link (the draftness of the spec, the poor interoprability, the mess it makes of legacy B/G networks and typically less than 100Mbps performance is) and there are plenty of other Draft-N routers with 10/100 switches built in and I explained why the Airport is likely built with a 10/100 switch rather than a GigE switch like some Atheros based switches (ie not cost but ease of using the Broadcom package as is...which I guess is cost but whatever).
I was in any case responding to the folks that a) think the 10/100 switch cripples the router for WIRELESS connectivity which except for a couple brands under good circumstances (which typically use the Marvell TopDog chipset) typically wont exceed FastEthernet throughput and b) think the $99 D-LINK is a better deal for use with Apple Draft-N machines because its likely NOT better but far worse.
Which you might have noticed if YOU read the thread and not just the parts stating the obvious that GigE is faster than FastEthernet. No kidding? Really? OMG alert the media.
Yah sure...get the Linksys Draft-N router. Just make sure it has the Broadcom chipset.
Vinea