The general consensus I'm getting about Vista is that there are improvements here and there, but it's nothing to write home about and certainly shouldn't have taken as long as it did to be released. Yawn.
I love the comment one guy made about how he originally hated it, but once he took a lot of time to work with it he ended up liking it. How many users *really* are willing to do that?
I have not used it but probably will play with it a bit next time I head to Best Buy. No matter what, I'm not likely switching from my Macs any time soon.
I've read things here and there about Vista's extremely aggressive security frameworks, from DRM to how it handles new hardware. One of the reviewers on the linked site likened it to having the control of the computer default to MS.
I'm wondering how much of any of this actually effect the average user experience. Depending on what you read, Vista is either the OS designed by the big digital content providers to absolutely preclude anything they consider sketchy (including the ability to simply terminate software remotely) or a "just OK" upgrade with some nice UI touches.
I use my Macs for nearly everything, but the PC is there as a file server for back-up storage, and for the occasional things I can't do on a Mac (which is a less important function now that I have a Parallels virtual PC on my MBP).
My PC can handle Vista, but I can't imagine bothering to install it until at least some time after the first Service Pack for Vista comes out. I'm in no rush. I suppose if I can borrow a site-license copy at work I might install Vista in a virtual PC just to try it out. Of course, I'm not sure how well the virtualized video of a Parallels virtual PC gets along with Vista. (I'll bet Parallels web site says something about -- too lazy to go there now to check.)
This is funny, watch as Bill Gates has a knee jerk reaction when the news anchor asks him if Vista was trying to copy the MAc OS since he mentioned it looks a lot like it...
This is funny, watch as Bill Gates has a knee jerk reaction when the news anchor asks him if Vista was trying to copy the MAc OS since he mentioned it looks a lot like it...
I'd guess that most PC users know that Macs are supposedly "better" than PCs at something, but don't know what or why. All they know is that Macs are more expensive and that since all they want to do is e-mail, Web surfing, and digital picture storage, a PC will work fine for that.
The average PC user will probably look at this and say, "well if it's more stable and has these fancy new features, maybe we should look at upgrading our computer sometime," not realizing that most of Vista's features have been on a Mac for years and Apple's already surpassing Microsoft in many areas with OS X.
That's where the iPod "halo effect" comes in wonderfully: Mom and Dad get little Johnny or Sally an iPod. When Mom and/or Dad try out the iPod and iTunes a little and see how nicely it all works, they begin to wonder if the WHOLE COMPUTER can work that way. Next time they look at buying a computer they check out Apple and see that a Mac mini or MacBook can get them a nicer computer for just a little more than a Dell.
This time, however, the computer works for them instead of them fighting against the computer. They use iLife to do all kinds of great stuff no PC would dream of doing. They still surf the Web but this time get much better security. The positives go on and on. They tell their friends and then the friends look at a Mac next time.
I wonder, does Vista still stop booting if a floppy disk is in the drive at startup?
Microsoft must have shelled out a bunch of money to comedy central. The whole evening was infused with Vista adds and Bill Gates took up 2/3 of the daily show.
Huh. I would have thought Gates would be doing a better job of flogging Vista.
"Were you going for a Mac look"?
"Actually, we're ahead in some things, uh, tablet and media center...... you can edit movies and look at photos...."
That's it? He gets the (inevitable) Mac question and he wants to talk about tablets and media center and software Apple has had for years?
And when asked about integration with the net, he says they've been doing a lot with that and "we let you move files through the internet".
Well alright then. Where do I sign up?
Really, I know. That was a much more moronic response than I would have expected from him. Did you see how he shifted in his chair? hahaha.
I clicked through the M$ Vista website and I just could not even believe what an amazing rip off of OSX it was. Gadgets? Windows Flip? Jesus. The translucent windows?
You'd think after all these years I'd expect it to be a rip, but for some reason I'm taken aback at just how blatant it is.
Ugh.. just watched the Gates CNN thing. So badly scripted it was horrible. And good old Miles really got him when he said they were mimicking OSX. Ouch.
The Vistas demo moving in the background didn't look that great, either. Indeed, the 3D Expose-esque flipper looked awkward to use, not to mention slower than Expose.
Really, I know. That was a much more moronic response than I would have expected from him. Did you see how he shifted in his chair? hahaha.
I clicked through the M$ Vista website and I just could not even believe what an amazing rip off of OSX it was. Gadgets? Windows Flip? Jesus. The translucent windows?
You'd think after all these years I'd expect it to be a rip, but for some reason I'm taken aback at just how blatant it is.
You?
Yeah, I played around with Vista at CompUSA today, and I was sort of amazed at some of the blatant copying of look and feel.
The weird thing is, it looks much nicer than XP but it still works like XP, so there's this cognitive dissonance.
Like a movie with really good art direction and a terrible script.
The thing about the Daily Show Interview is that I bet Jobs would be just as annoying, but in a totally different way. Can't you imagine Jobs not taking something as a joke or stonewalling Stewart about some future product?
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I love the comment one guy made about how he originally hated it, but once he took a lot of time to work with it he ended up liking it. How many users *really* are willing to do that?
I have not used it but probably will play with it a bit next time I head to Best Buy. No matter what, I'm not likely switching from my Macs any time soon.
I'm wondering how much of any of this actually effect the average user experience. Depending on what you read, Vista is either the OS designed by the big digital content providers to absolutely preclude anything they consider sketchy (including the ability to simply terminate software remotely) or a "just OK" upgrade with some nice UI touches.
Any Vista users care to weigh in ?
Any Vista users care to weigh in ?
Do you really think that anyone will admit to being a Vista user?
Oh wait, this isn't comedy? Shit.
Pogue was there, too.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twinci...g/16555680.htm
In my basement.
I use my Macs for nearly everything, but the PC is there as a file server for back-up storage, and for the occasional things I can't do on a Mac (which is a less important function now that I have a Parallels virtual PC on my MBP).
My PC can handle Vista, but I can't imagine bothering to install it until at least some time after the first Service Pack for Vista comes out. I'm in no rush. I suppose if I can borrow a site-license copy at work I might install Vista in a virtual PC just to try it out. Of course, I'm not sure how well the virtualized video of a Parallels virtual PC gets along with Vista. (I'll bet Parallels web site says something about -- too lazy to go there now to check.)
http://www.cnn.com/
and goto the video link "Microsoft's Vista's got oodles of new looks"
Firefox on XP crashing after watching a video about Windows Vista on CNN's Web site.
It just happened to me.
This is funny, watch as Bill Gates has a knee jerk reaction when the news anchor asks him if Vista was trying to copy the MAc OS since he mentioned it looks a lot like it...
http://www.cnn.com/
and goto the video link "Microsoft's Vista's got oodles of new looks"
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...n&source=money
"Were you going for a Mac look"?
"Actually, we're ahead in some things, uh, tablet and media center...... you can edit movies and look at photos...."
That's it? He gets the (inevitable) Mac question and he wants to talk about tablets and media center and software Apple has had for years?
And when asked about integration with the net, he says they've been doing a lot with that and "we let you move files through the internet".
Well alright then. Where do I sign up?
Huh. I would have thought Gates would be doing a better job of flogging Vista.
"Were you going for a Mac look"?
"Actually, we're ahead in some things, uh, tablet and media center...... you can edit movies and look at photos...."
That's it? He gets the (inevitable) Mac question and he wants to talk about tablets and media center and software Apple has had for years?
And when asked about integration with the net, he says they've been doing a lot with that and "we let you move files through the internet".
Well alright then. Where do I sign up?
The average PC user will probably look at this and say, "well if it's more stable and has these fancy new features, maybe we should look at upgrading our computer sometime," not realizing that most of Vista's features have been on a Mac for years and Apple's already surpassing Microsoft in many areas with OS X.
That's where the iPod "halo effect" comes in wonderfully: Mom and Dad get little Johnny or Sally an iPod. When Mom and/or Dad try out the iPod and iTunes a little and see how nicely it all works, they begin to wonder if the WHOLE COMPUTER can work that way. Next time they look at buying a computer they check out Apple and see that a Mac mini or MacBook can get them a nicer computer for just a little more than a Dell.
This time, however, the computer works for them instead of them fighting against the computer. They use iLife to do all kinds of great stuff no PC would dream of doing. They still surf the Web but this time get much better security. The positives go on and on. They tell their friends and then the friends look at a Mac next time.
I wonder, does Vista still stop booting if a floppy disk is in the drive at startup?
Someone should upgrade his charisma.
Did anyone see him on the Daily Show last night?
Someone should upgrade his charisma.
Microsoft must have shelled out a bunch of money to comedy central. The whole evening was infused with Vista adds and Bill Gates took up 2/3 of the daily show.
Huh. I would have thought Gates would be doing a better job of flogging Vista.
"Were you going for a Mac look"?
"Actually, we're ahead in some things, uh, tablet and media center...... you can edit movies and look at photos...."
That's it? He gets the (inevitable) Mac question and he wants to talk about tablets and media center and software Apple has had for years?
And when asked about integration with the net, he says they've been doing a lot with that and "we let you move files through the internet".
Well alright then. Where do I sign up?
Really, I know. That was a much more moronic response than I would have expected from him. Did you see how he shifted in his chair? hahaha.
I clicked through the M$ Vista website and I just could not even believe what an amazing rip off of OSX it was. Gadgets? Windows Flip? Jesus. The translucent windows?
You'd think after all these years I'd expect it to be a rip, but for some reason I'm taken aback at just how blatant it is.
You?
The Vistas demo moving in the background didn't look that great, either. Indeed, the 3D Expose-esque flipper looked awkward to use, not to mention slower than Expose.
Really, I know. That was a much more moronic response than I would have expected from him. Did you see how he shifted in his chair? hahaha.
I clicked through the M$ Vista website and I just could not even believe what an amazing rip off of OSX it was. Gadgets? Windows Flip? Jesus. The translucent windows?
You'd think after all these years I'd expect it to be a rip, but for some reason I'm taken aback at just how blatant it is.
You?
Yeah, I played around with Vista at CompUSA today, and I was sort of amazed at some of the blatant copying of look and feel.
The weird thing is, it looks much nicer than XP but it still works like XP, so there's this cognitive dissonance.
Like a movie with really good art direction and a terrible script.
Irony:
Firefox on XP crashing after watching a video about Windows Vista on CNN's Web site.
It just happened to me.
Strange, it works flawlessly right now for me and I am using ubuntu linux to see it.
Yeah, I played around with Vista at CompUSA today, and I was sort of amazed at some of the blatant copying of look and feel.
The weird thing is, it looks much nicer than XP but it still works like XP, so there's this cognitive dissonance.
Like a movie with really good art direction and a terrible script.
"Cognitive Dissonance"
I miss terms like that, what with working in "Elementary Music Land."