Won't matter that much for awhile though, right? You'd need both a 64-bit OS and 64-bit applications to address/use any memory beyond 4GB? Or am I mistaken?
Oh, and welcome to the AI forums. Relatively nice place, all things considered. 8)
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Oh. Yeah. you are right. we still would need a 64-bit OS but may not be 64-bit apps.
Thanks. I have been reading AI forums from quite sometimes, just that I took too much time to post. You guys rock BTW.
EDIT: I am Sorry. Didnt notice shamino's response. Please discard this post.
Won't matter that much for awhile though, right? You'd need both a 64-bit OS and 64-bit applications to address/use any memory beyond 4GB? Or am I mistaken?
Oh, and welcome to the AI forums. Relatively nice place, all things considered. 8)
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Oh. Yeah. you are right. we still would need a 64-bit OS but 64-bit apps may not be a must.
Thanks. I have been reading AI forums from quite sometimes, just that I took too much time to post. You guys rock BTW.
EDIT: I am Sorry. Didnt notice shamino's response. Please discard this post. And i accidentally repeated my post (using the forum for the first time. )
I heard a rumour that Mac 10.5 will actually be able to run PC applications natively on the Mac without having to install a Windows OS much like Rosetta runs PPC apps on the Intel-Mac's. Is this true?
If so... why or oh would anyone buy a PC ever again.
I heard a rumour that Mac 10.5 will actually be able to run PC applications natively on the Mac without having to install a Windows OS much like Rosetta runs PPC apps on the Intel-Mac's. Is this true?
Not in any way true.
If you want to run Windows apps, you need to buy Windows. You can either boot your Mac into Windows (using BootCamp), or you can run it under Mac OS X using a virtualization environment like Parallels or VMWare.
There are some people who would like Mac OS X to directly run Windows apps, but that's all there is. Some people who want the feature. Apple has said nothing, there have been no leaks from developers with pre-release copies, and there are no reliable rumors.
I think we may have tracked down the source of Microsoft's woes over the past couple of years... its obvious from this photo that their CEO, is, in fact, the Missing Link:
On the plus side, he is very good at throwing chairs and eating bananas.
and don't bother trying to use both Spotlight and Dashboard unless you use the absolute maximum of RAM.
Funny, Im able to use both Dashboard and Spotlight on both an iBook G3 900MHz (512MB RAM) and a Power Mac G4 867Mhz (640MB RAM) without any problems. Granted, the ripple effect is not present, but both are from 2003.
Funny, Im able to use both Dashboard and Spotlight on both an iBook G3 900MHz (512MB RAM) and a Power Mac G4 867Mhz (640MB RAM) without any problems. Granted, the ripple effect is not present, but both are from 2003.
I have an iBook G3 with 700 MHz and 640 MBs of RAM. It shipped with 10.1.4. Tiger was certainly not optimized to be used on it.
I have an iBook G3 with 700 MHz and 640 MBs of RAM. It shipped with 10.1.4. Tiger was certainly not optimized to be used on it.
In my experience, the biggest bottleneck on those older systems is the amount of memory. Unfortuntely, none of the iBook G3s can be expanded enough to be comfortable with Tiger.
With 10.3, the minimum memory I would consider was 256M (Apple said 128M, but I strongly disagree.) I considered 512M to be sufficient for most tasks.
With 10.4, Dashboard and Spotlight significantly increased the memory footprint. With 10.4, I wouldn't use it with less than 512M, and I recommend 1GB.
Unfortunately, no iBook G3 supports more than 640M. So some things are going to be slower than they should be. But this is memory, not the G3 processor. I've found performance acceptable (not fast, but acceptable) on a PowerMac G3 with 1G of RAM. Ditto for those iMac/G3 models that can be upgraded to 1GB.
So yeah, I agree with you. Don't run 10.4 on an iBook/G3 unless you max out the RAM. And even then, don't use Dashboard (it doesn't load into memory until you activate it the first time after logging in.) Disabling Spotlight is much more of a PITA, but might also be a good idea on such a computer.
It's probably a good thing that (if the rumors are true) 10.5 won't install on G3 systems.
Yep, why anyone wants to go for Vista is beyond me. I work for a large company (over 100000 workers worldwide) and we're still on windows 2000. Is there any current need to update? When all vista is is a shiney new interface with basically still the same internals, probably not.
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They have not had to compete based on the excellency of their product for years.
Won't matter that much for awhile though, right? You'd need both a 64-bit OS and 64-bit applications to address/use any memory beyond 4GB? Or am I mistaken?
Oh, and welcome to the AI forums. Relatively nice place, all things considered. 8)
.
Oh. Yeah. you are right. we still would need a 64-bit OS but may not be 64-bit apps.
Thanks. I have been reading AI forums from quite sometimes, just that I took too much time to post. You guys rock BTW.
EDIT: I am Sorry. Didnt notice shamino's response. Please discard this post.
Won't matter that much for awhile though, right? You'd need both a 64-bit OS and 64-bit applications to address/use any memory beyond 4GB? Or am I mistaken?
Oh, and welcome to the AI forums. Relatively nice place, all things considered. 8)
.
Oh. Yeah. you are right. we still would need a 64-bit OS but 64-bit apps may not be a must.
Thanks. I have been reading AI forums from quite sometimes, just that I took too much time to post. You guys rock BTW.
EDIT: I am Sorry. Didnt notice shamino's response. Please discard this post. And i accidentally repeated my post (using the forum for the first time.
It's a 32-bit limitation, not a chipset limitation.
Its both. Though the processors supported 64bit, the memory controllers in chipsets older than 965 were not capable of supporting beyond 4GB.
If so... why or oh would anyone buy a PC ever again.
I heard a rumour that Mac 10.5 will actually be able to run PC applications natively on the Mac without having to install a Windows OS much like Rosetta runs PPC apps on the Intel-Mac's. Is this true?
Not in any way true.
If you want to run Windows apps, you need to buy Windows. You can either boot your Mac into Windows (using BootCamp), or you can run it under Mac OS X using a virtualization environment like Parallels or VMWare.
There are some people who would like Mac OS X to directly run Windows apps, but that's all there is. Some people who want the feature. Apple has said nothing, there have been no leaks from developers with pre-release copies, and there are no reliable rumors.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6320865.stm
On the plus side, he is very good at throwing chairs and eating bananas.
Windows Vista Ultimate = $400 + Security software = Priceless.
Mac OS X (Ultimate) = $129
Will all Windows Vista Features work on my 3 year old machine = Most likely not.
Will all Mac OS X Features work on my 3 year old machine = Yes.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Windows Vista comfortably = No.
Will I have all the drivers I need to run Mac OS X comfortably = What drivers? :P
Will Windows Vista's Features make OS X look dated = No.
Will Mac OS X.5 Leopard's Features make Windows Vista look dated = Most likely yes.
Will the new look of Windows Vista make it easiers to use then its predecessor = In practice the opposite is true.
Will the new look of OS X make it easiers to use then its predecessor = Most likely yes.
Will you switch back to Windows now = No.
Will you buy Leopard = Most likely yes.
Are you glad to be rid of Windows = Hell yes.
Are you glad to be a Mac user = Hell yes.
Was there a point to all this = Yes.
What was the point = Switch.
Funny? = Yes! Well done.
and don't bother trying to use both Spotlight and Dashboard unless you use the absolute maximum of RAM.
Funny, Im able to use both Dashboard and Spotlight on both an iBook G3 900MHz (512MB RAM) and a Power Mac G4 867Mhz (640MB RAM) without any problems. Granted, the ripple effect is not present, but both are from 2003.
Funny, Im able to use both Dashboard and Spotlight on both an iBook G3 900MHz (512MB RAM) and a Power Mac G4 867Mhz (640MB RAM) without any problems. Granted, the ripple effect is not present, but both are from 2003.
I have an iBook G3 with 700 MHz and 640 MBs of RAM. It shipped with 10.1.4. Tiger was certainly not optimized to be used on it.
I have an iBook G3 with 700 MHz and 640 MBs of RAM. It shipped with 10.1.4. Tiger was certainly not optimized to be used on it.
In my experience, the biggest bottleneck on those older systems is the amount of memory. Unfortuntely, none of the iBook G3s can be expanded enough to be comfortable with Tiger.
With 10.3, the minimum memory I would consider was 256M (Apple said 128M, but I strongly disagree.) I considered 512M to be sufficient for most tasks.
With 10.4, Dashboard and Spotlight significantly increased the memory footprint. With 10.4, I wouldn't use it with less than 512M, and I recommend 1GB.
Unfortunately, no iBook G3 supports more than 640M. So some things are going to be slower than they should be. But this is memory, not the G3 processor. I've found performance acceptable (not fast, but acceptable) on a PowerMac G3 with 1G of RAM. Ditto for those iMac/G3 models that can be upgraded to 1GB.
So yeah, I agree with you. Don't run 10.4 on an iBook/G3 unless you max out the RAM. And even then, don't use Dashboard (it doesn't load into memory until you activate it the first time after logging in.) Disabling Spotlight is much more of a PITA, but might also be a good idea on such a computer.
It's probably a good thing that (if the rumors are true) 10.5 won't install on G3 systems.