I'm not mad at all, I think most of his articles are a joke but the fact that Apple links a year old article about a beta build of Vista to get your point across that your OS is superior is sad.
Even when Apple's page you're referring to is almost as old as well?
So you're upset that only some of it was refreshed?
Linking to an article that discusses the downfalls of Vista, using a beta build as example doesn't exactly make your company look the most mature. It's quite sad and pathetic actually. Especially when if you go read one of his articles about Vista, it's all pro-MS. Why use his old article as a reference to show their obvious dislike for Vista? Use one of the many recent ones, but don't try and convince your consumer that Vista is a bad OS based off of a beta build.
Can Mac's play DirectX10 games? Nope. Will they ever? Possibly, with piss poor performance cause Apple always makes some bad choices in the video card department.
Um, how many PCs can play DirectX10 games at the moment? nVidia's 8-series is pretty expensive and very power hungry... If you wanna go DirectX10 and Vista sexy you probably need a nice Core2Duo setup with nVidia 8800-something, etc, etc.
My poor AMD64 Venice 2ghz OC'ed with DirectX9.0c 6600GT 128mb vRAM. Ah... I'll stick to WinXP2Pro and DirectX9.0c gaming... Whenever I get back to my rig about 3000+km away \
The iMac ATIx1600, nVidia7300 or nvidia7600GT and MacBookPro ATIx1600 is fine for mid-level DirectX9.0c games in WinXP2Pro BootCamp. Saying that Macs can't play DirectX[10] games is of dubious relevance.
I'll excuse your snide response given your vintage on AI -- it is rather typical of the arrogance one finds amongst people who think that they are owed "I-am-not-worthy"-ness because they've been around a while in forums.
But I hope that at least a couple of your 4500+ were more intellingent than this response.
For starters, why don't you read the very insightful posts in this thread that help make my point..... if you are having trouble seeing which ones they are, then respond to this post, and I'll help you find them.
Unlike Windows, Linux has a very small market share, and is therefore of limited interest.
Oh boy..... using a similar logic, at least for consistency's sake (that being the hobgoblin of little minds and all), I am surprised that you have anything more than "limited interest" in Apple's operating systems!
As of Jan 2007, according to http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5, "Mac OS" had a less than 4.5% share, and "MacIntel" had a less than 2% share. (I'll admit I don't know much about the credibility of the data from this site, but it seems to be consistent with what I've generally seen/heard -- if you think it's significantly different, do post a credible link).
Ok..whatever.....before we run with the article as proof lets set back and watch the market and see what happens.
Yes I agree that Vista is not very appealing because of DRM and the high system recommendations.
Now "if" Apple opens up OSX then I can see OSX gaining huge market shares but as it stands right now the PC known as Mac will not topple other PC's that use more cutting edge tech than the Mac PC. Sorry but I don't live in a fantasy world and believe that Apple's current direction with the Mac will top the other PC markets. The fact is other hardware companies like Nvidia, AMD/ATI, DFI, ASUS, ABIT, Creative Labs(X-FI...awesome card), Liteon, HP, etc... are pushing tech farther than ever before and Apple is just lagging behind with sleek looking over priced PC's running an awesome OS. So before you bash the PC understand that the MAC is a PC using lesser hardware and a very nice OS.
I'm an honest Mac user and fan therefore I accept the facts with out spin. I build PC's and where I work we do not have a single Mac in our company. We use Dell, HP, IBM etc... When I see my employer Wal-Mart direct us in our IT department to roll out Macs then I will say that Macs are rising. We use XP, Unix, and Linux atm. I suspect that Novell will supply our Linux software very soon considering the deal that M$ and Novel made a few months back. Apple could possible work with Wal-Mart but Apple's own worse enemy is Apple therefore Apple must change in order to grow.
Those TV commercials full of half truths and half lies will not topple M$ hold on the market. Apple should be honest and stop making it seem as Macs are so far superior to PC. All one has to do is compare the hardware to debunk this lie.
Go ahead and flame me but the facts support my words.
Before you flame remember that I'm a OSX fan who would love to see OSX opened up. Lets face it Apple will do much better selling gadgets and selling OSX than their current direction with the Mac. Opening OSX would expose Apple to more people thus selling more gadgets for Apple etc....
Just my thoughts.....so load um up and fire away dishonest Mac fan boys who give every honest Mac user a very bad taste in their mouths!
Oh boy..... using a similar logic, at least for consistency's sake (that being the hobgoblin of little minds and all), I am surprised that you have anything more than "limited interest" in Apple's operating systems!
I'm strongly interested in Linux, but I fully understand why AppleInsider is not. You clearly missed my point.
Now that that is out of the way, we can then acknowledge that Amazon.com has always shown an affinity for Mac sales, and look at why this may be.
Let's just put this all to bed (esp. all the whining on page 2).
1) Apple computers have sold well on Amazon.com mainly because they're the only place you can go and get a rebate on those suckers. And there's a good chance you can avoid paying sales tax, which, considering the high prices of most of apple's computers, can be a good chunk of change. I bought my G5 tower from them ($200 off, plus $75 in amazon visa kick-backs, plus no sales tax = $400 savings). And where I tried to get my macbook pro (up to the point the box was apparently ripped open on the truck and said laptop went missing). Still waiting to get my money back....
2) Other PC manufacturers don't show up high on the list because there's so many other manufacturers, with so many other different models, that it splinters all PC sales. Maybe you all recall when the multicolored imacs and the ipod minis first came out, they really fell on the amazon's lists because each was considered a different model.
3) I can't believe anyone buys a Dell from Amazon, considering your stuck with a preconfigured computer, rather then tailoring it to fit your specific needs (no, I don't consider going to the apple store so you can add a slightly larger hard-drive really tailoring a computer).
4) And to think that people were just waiting for Vista's release to buy a new computer is just hillarious, esp. since most manufacturers have been offering free vista upgrades for months now. I can see mac users doing this, because Apple would rather back-date some options then dare offering discounts to recent purchasers to unreleased software.
Let's just put this all to bed (esp. all the whining on page 2).
1) Apple computers have sold well on Amazon.com mainly because they're the only place you can go and get a rebate on those suckers. And there's a good chance you can avoid paying sales tax, which, considering the high prices of most of apple's computers, can be a good chunk of change. I bought my G5 tower from them ($200 off, plus $75 in amazon visa kick-backs, plus no sales tax = $400 savings). And where I tried to get my macbook pro (up to the point the box was apparently ripped open on the truck and said laptop went missing). Still waiting to get my money back....
2) Other PC manufacturers don't show up high on the list because there's so many other manufacturers, with so many other different models, that it splinters all PC sales. Maybe you all recall when the multicolored imacs and the ipod minis first came out, they really fell on the amazon's lists because each was considered a different model.
3) I can't believe anyone buys a Dell from Amazon, considering your stuck with a preconfigured computer, rather then tailoring it to fit your specific needs (no, I don't consider going to the apple store so you can add a slightly larger hard-drive really tailoring a computer).
4) And to think that people were just waiting for Vista's release to buy a new computer is just hillarious, esp. since most manufacturers have been offering free vista upgrades for months now. I can see mac users doing this, because Apple would rather back-date some options then dare offering discounts to recent purchasers to unreleased software.
I guess Amazon's audience could be defined as more tech-savvy than your average Joe (which would be a compliment to Apple since they do better there), but other than that, I can't see any major differences from 'Amazonians' and the GP(general public).
I think I have the TRUE explanation for why this is happening though- HP has a much more 'splintered' line-up than Apple, i.e. sells significantly more models. So no one of their models really gets a chance to sell as many as, say, a mid-level 2.0GHz MacBook.
Jus' call me Sherlock. 8)
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You should see the difference. Despite the number of models which IS, as you say, a reason, Apple would be selling at 20% marketshare if Amazon was typical of the computer buying public.
The point there is that as it isn't true, Amazon must be so different, that it doesn't really matter for the overall numbers.
Another problem is that even manufacturers much smaller than Apple generally have more models than Apple does. I was surprised a Sony even made it to the list as they are one of the big offenders of having too many models. More models means that a sale for that manufacturer is split down to fewer per model. Maybe the Sony was a particularly good deal for the model or brand.
Also, Amazon is the major place to go to get a sizable discount on a Mac. Pretty much everyone else charges within a few dollars of list price. That has to be a major traffic driver, whereas the rest of the computers are probably not sold at as significant of a discount relative to other stores.
Sony has a very, very small matketshare. They also have almost no desktops now, as they are discontinuing them. They don't have a large number of models overall, just small sales.
Small market share? Wow, I guess a majority of the internet is powered by ghost machines.
I know they're not powered by OS X Server, nobody in their right mind would use that if they valued their money.
Linux has a very small marketshare. They may run hundreds of thousands of servers, but that doesn't contribute much to the marketshare. Even if they ran two million, it wouldn't.
But those machines are a small minority. There were about 70 million computers sold in the US last year, and about 230 million worldwide. As far as percentages go, Linux was a very small part of that, even less than the Mac.
I give your post a 5 for trolliness, and for lack of understanding the point of the discussion.
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I'm not mad at all, I think most of his articles are a joke but the fact that Apple links a year old article about a beta build of Vista to get your point across that your OS is superior is sad.
Even when Apple's page you're referring to is almost as old as well?
Even when Apple's page you're referring to is almost as old as well?
As old? Yes, but it was refreshed for Vista and included new quotations and links.
As old? Yes, but it was refreshed for Vista and included new quotations and links.
So you're upset that only some of it was refreshed?
So you're upset that only some of it was refreshed?
Linking to an article that discusses the downfalls of Vista, using a beta build as example doesn't exactly make your company look the most mature. It's quite sad and pathetic actually. Especially when if you go read one of his articles about Vista, it's all pro-MS. Why use his old article as a reference to show their obvious dislike for Vista? Use one of the many recent ones, but don't try and convince your consumer that Vista is a bad OS based off of a beta build.
Can Mac's play DirectX10 games? Nope. Will they ever? Possibly, with piss poor performance cause Apple always makes some bad choices in the video card department.
Um, how many PCs can play DirectX10 games at the moment? nVidia's 8-series is pretty expensive and very power hungry... If you wanna go DirectX10 and Vista sexy you probably need a nice Core2Duo setup with nVidia 8800-something, etc, etc.
My poor AMD64 Venice 2ghz OC'ed with DirectX9.0c 6600GT 128mb vRAM. Ah... I'll stick to WinXP2Pro and DirectX9.0c gaming... Whenever I get back to my rig about 3000+km away
The iMac ATIx1600, nVidia7300 or nvidia7600GT and MacBookPro ATIx1600 is fine for mid-level DirectX9.0c games in WinXP2Pro BootCamp. Saying that Macs can't play DirectX[10] games is of dubious relevance.
You mean like your post?
I'll excuse your snide response given your vintage on AI -- it is rather typical of the arrogance one finds amongst people who think that they are owed "I-am-not-worthy"-ness because they've been around a while in forums.
But I hope that at least a couple of your 4500+ were more intellingent than this response.
For starters, why don't you read the very insightful posts in this thread that help make my point..... if you are having trouble seeing which ones they are, then respond to this post, and I'll help you find them.
He's back!!
No I'm not, I only go on AI these days to read the news stories
Actually I've been to busy in School to post anything -_-
Sebastian
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TBaggins you are freaking genius with an apt reply! It gave a good laugh to fall over on floor!
Unlike Windows, Linux has a very small market share, and is therefore of limited interest.
Oh boy..... using a similar logic, at least for consistency's sake (that being the hobgoblin of little minds and all), I am surprised that you have anything more than "limited interest" in Apple's operating systems!
As of Jan 2007, according to http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5, "Mac OS" had a less than 4.5% share, and "MacIntel" had a less than 2% share. (I'll admit I don't know much about the credibility of the data from this site, but it seems to be consistent with what I've generally seen/heard -- if you think it's significantly different, do post a credible link).
Yes I agree that Vista is not very appealing because of DRM and the high system recommendations.
Now "if" Apple opens up OSX then I can see OSX gaining huge market shares but as it stands right now the PC known as Mac will not topple other PC's that use more cutting edge tech than the Mac PC. Sorry but I don't live in a fantasy world and believe that Apple's current direction with the Mac will top the other PC markets. The fact is other hardware companies like Nvidia, AMD/ATI, DFI, ASUS, ABIT, Creative Labs(X-FI...awesome card), Liteon, HP, etc... are pushing tech farther than ever before and Apple is just lagging behind with sleek looking over priced PC's running an awesome OS. So before you bash the PC understand that the MAC is a PC using lesser hardware and a very nice OS.
I'm an honest Mac user and fan therefore I accept the facts with out spin. I build PC's and where I work we do not have a single Mac in our company. We use Dell, HP, IBM etc... When I see my employer Wal-Mart direct us in our IT department to roll out Macs then I will say that Macs are rising. We use XP, Unix, and Linux atm. I suspect that Novell will supply our Linux software very soon considering the deal that M$ and Novel made a few months back. Apple could possible work with Wal-Mart but Apple's own worse enemy is Apple therefore Apple must change in order to grow.
Those TV commercials full of half truths and half lies will not topple M$ hold on the market. Apple should be honest and stop making it seem as Macs are so far superior to PC. All one has to do is compare the hardware to debunk this lie.
Go ahead and flame me but the facts support my words.
Before you flame remember that I'm a OSX fan who would love to see OSX opened up. Lets face it Apple will do much better selling gadgets and selling OSX than their current direction with the Mac. Opening OSX would expose Apple to more people thus selling more gadgets for Apple etc....
Just my thoughts.....so load um up and fire away dishonest Mac fan boys who give every honest Mac user a very bad taste in their mouths!
Oh boy..... using a similar logic, at least for consistency's sake (that being the hobgoblin of little minds and all), I am surprised that you have anything more than "limited interest" in Apple's operating systems!
I'm strongly interested in Linux, but I fully understand why AppleInsider is not. You clearly missed my point.
I'm strongly interested in Linux, but I fully understand why AppleInsider is not. You clearly missed my point.
What was your point?
Brilliant!!
You mean like your post?
Slaaaaaaam!!!
Just why do people post negative crap anyway? Good for you Chucker!
Now that that is out of the way, we can then acknowledge that Amazon.com has always shown an affinity for Mac sales, and look at why this may be.
Let's just put this all to bed (esp. all the whining on page 2).
1) Apple computers have sold well on Amazon.com mainly because they're the only place you can go and get a rebate on those suckers. And there's a good chance you can avoid paying sales tax, which, considering the high prices of most of apple's computers, can be a good chunk of change. I bought my G5 tower from them ($200 off, plus $75 in amazon visa kick-backs, plus no sales tax = $400 savings). And where I tried to get my macbook pro (up to the point the box was apparently ripped open on the truck and said laptop went missing). Still waiting to get my money back....
2) Other PC manufacturers don't show up high on the list because there's so many other manufacturers, with so many other different models, that it splinters all PC sales. Maybe you all recall when the multicolored imacs and the ipod minis first came out, they really fell on the amazon's lists because each was considered a different model.
3) I can't believe anyone buys a Dell from Amazon, considering your stuck with a preconfigured computer, rather then tailoring it to fit your specific needs (no, I don't consider going to the apple store so you can add a slightly larger hard-drive really tailoring a computer).
4) And to think that people were just waiting for Vista's release to buy a new computer is just hillarious, esp. since most manufacturers have been offering free vista upgrades for months now. I can see mac users doing this, because Apple would rather back-date some options then dare offering discounts to recent purchasers to unreleased software.
Let's just put this all to bed (esp. all the whining on page 2).
1) Apple computers have sold well on Amazon.com mainly because they're the only place you can go and get a rebate on those suckers. And there's a good chance you can avoid paying sales tax, which, considering the high prices of most of apple's computers, can be a good chunk of change. I bought my G5 tower from them ($200 off, plus $75 in amazon visa kick-backs, plus no sales tax = $400 savings). And where I tried to get my macbook pro (up to the point the box was apparently ripped open on the truck and said laptop went missing). Still waiting to get my money back....
2) Other PC manufacturers don't show up high on the list because there's so many other manufacturers, with so many other different models, that it splinters all PC sales. Maybe you all recall when the multicolored imacs and the ipod minis first came out, they really fell on the amazon's lists because each was considered a different model.
3) I can't believe anyone buys a Dell from Amazon, considering your stuck with a preconfigured computer, rather then tailoring it to fit your specific needs (no, I don't consider going to the apple store so you can add a slightly larger hard-drive really tailoring a computer).
4) And to think that people were just waiting for Vista's release to buy a new computer is just hillarious, esp. since most manufacturers have been offering free vista upgrades for months now. I can see mac users doing this, because Apple would rather back-date some options then dare offering discounts to recent purchasers to unreleased software.
Finally a post to end all posts...
Slaaaaaaam!!!
That's very positive!
Just why do people post negative crap anyway?
Excellent question! I assume you have the answer?
I guess Amazon's audience could be defined as more tech-savvy than your average Joe (which would be a compliment to Apple since they do better there), but other than that, I can't see any major differences from 'Amazonians' and the GP(general public).
I think I have the TRUE explanation for why this is happening though- HP has a much more 'splintered' line-up than Apple, i.e. sells significantly more models. So no one of their models really gets a chance to sell as many as, say, a mid-level 2.0GHz MacBook.
Jus' call me Sherlock. 8)
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You should see the difference. Despite the number of models which IS, as you say, a reason, Apple would be selling at 20% marketshare if Amazon was typical of the computer buying public.
The point there is that as it isn't true, Amazon must be so different, that it doesn't really matter for the overall numbers.
Another problem is that even manufacturers much smaller than Apple generally have more models than Apple does. I was surprised a Sony even made it to the list as they are one of the big offenders of having too many models. More models means that a sale for that manufacturer is split down to fewer per model. Maybe the Sony was a particularly good deal for the model or brand.
Also, Amazon is the major place to go to get a sizable discount on a Mac. Pretty much everyone else charges within a few dollars of list price. That has to be a major traffic driver, whereas the rest of the computers are probably not sold at as significant of a discount relative to other stores.
Sony has a very, very small matketshare. They also have almost no desktops now, as they are discontinuing them. They don't have a large number of models overall, just small sales.
Small market share? Wow, I guess a majority of the internet is powered by ghost machines.
I know they're not powered by OS X Server, nobody in their right mind would use that if they valued their money.
Linux has a very small marketshare. They may run hundreds of thousands of servers, but that doesn't contribute much to the marketshare. Even if they ran two million, it wouldn't.
But those machines are a small minority. There were about 70 million computers sold in the US last year, and about 230 million worldwide. As far as percentages go, Linux was a very small part of that, even less than the Mac.
I give your post a 5 for trolliness, and for lack of understanding the point of the discussion.