I can't accept that SJ thinks the Movie market is like the Music Market where people want to own their Media. You only watch movies once or twice. Also, Apple could roll music and TV into this subscription service.
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande
I want to own my own media. I know a lot of other strange folk such as myself, too. We?re out there! Rental/exploding media options are nice to have relative to movies (they are useless for music) but the sort of features that inspire me to purchase products like this revolve around long-term ownership.
If I were trying to classify people's preferences for music and movies, I'd put music firmly in the "people mostly buy" category, but movies would go in a "people mostly buy and rent" category. iTMS matches people's preference for music, I don't know if Apple will have their best success with video until it's buy or rent. (One vote for buy / rent )
Anyone know if playing music through AppleTV will have the visualizer as an option? Is that feature too CPU-intensive for such a small box? Would love to have this.
I doubt that's too CPU intensive. The thing can play 720p movies, I think it can handle the visualizer.
When mine arrives in the mail I'll have to go shopping for an HDTV. I bought prematurely
JApple didn't say Mac OS X, just OS X. It might be using some form of OS X, I don't remember that being stated. It might just be a completely custom firmware because it really doesn't have to do nearly as much as the iPhone does.
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Originally Posted by donlphi
I don't suppose there will be any additional features we weren't told about. Apple Hi-Fi II - El Flopperino.
...I can't accept that SJ thinks the Movie market is like the Music Market where people want to own their Media. You only watch movies once or twice....
I agree - mostly... a lot of movies I just want to watch once. So for that Apple should make a rental/subscription option. Some things I would like to "own", such as the complete collection of Modern Marvels, or certain movies, such as Gladiator. However, I refuse to pay $1.99 (TV Shows) or $9.99 (Movies) for media f^ck3d up by DRM. It would also be nice to get the bonus material (as on DVDs). Does Apple's Video format allow for menu-driven bonus material features embeded within the files???
Down with DRM Down with DRM Down with DRM Down with DRM
Apple Hi Fi is the #2 selling external speaker for the ipod - certainly not a flop considering it's $300 each.
Apple is not doing subscription or rental of any kind - TAKES TOO MUCH WORK. Apple just wants to sell it to you and be done with it. If you want to hack the file open to make it DRM free or record the stream - Apple doesn't care anymore but if they "rent" it to you - they have to keep on top of that 24/7 - not worth it at this point. At some point, where there are 50 Apple TV's out there ... maybe ...
It would also be nice to get the bonus material (as on DVDs). Does Apple's Video format allow for menu-driven bonus material features embeded within the files???
I sure wish it did. That's what holds me back from buying movies on iTunes. No special features. I would probably only watch special features once, but I like to watch them regardless.
Just a quick comment on this comment. Netflix still refuses to support the OS X platform for its Watch Now feature, which only works on Windows XP (and now presumably Vista). I encourage anyone who subscribes to Netflix (like myself) and who is also a Mac user (like myself) to call Netflix (their number is on the Help page of their site) and complain about this. They currently refer to Watch Now as a "free service", likely because of this disparity...
I don't think it's worth any effort on their part. Unless maybe 1/4th of their subscribers are Mac users, it's probably not worth trying. They would have to get a DRM system that's compatible with Mac OS. Microsoft won't license their DRM for non-Microsoft platforms, and Apple won't license their DRM at all. What does that leave, Real? I don't think they have a DRM for Mac OS either.
Wait until Apple rolls out AppleTV with iSight/iChat integration. No reason it can't be done. Maybe that will be one of the first hacks. Plug in iSight via USB and bingo.
Anyone know if playing music through AppleTV will have the visualizer as an option? Is that feature too CPU-intensive for such a small box? Would love to have this.
Seeing as how iTunes visualization works on my 400MHz iMac G3, I think this box could handle it as well.
Appleinsider had an article that discussed Apple Hi-Fi being one of the most profitable iPod gadgets. Also everyone who uses an Apple Hi-Fi has an iPod. Sounds like a win-win for Apple to me.
Its an optimized version of OS X, not the general Mac OS X. Primarily all it will do is playback media.
Don't you think that most "PROFITABLE" could also mean most "over priced" ?
Why would you spend that kind of money on Apple Wi-Fi? People that REALLY want to listen to high quality music already have a home stereo system, which can easily be hooked up to an iPOD. If I wanted a better system, I would get a Bose Lifestyle 48 and connect my iPOD to it.
Then as far as the APPLE TV goes, it is an overpriced mac mini with no os x features other than frontrow. Let's see something people will actually use. They are trying to change the way people thing about buying or renting movies, but it isn't going to happen... at least not with this product.
I have actually become quite the SLINGBOX fanboy recently. I think this is the way to go if you want portable media. You can access your cable DVR/ON DEMAND/and all stations from anywhere in the world. So if I am going to watch content on my Pocket PC, I just turn on my TV from the airport, and watch tv. If I am at work late, and I want to catch the episode of OFFICE that airs in 10 minutes, I simply turn the SLINGPLAYER on (on my work computer, home computer, pocket pc, laptop, etc.) and watch it.
Why can't Apple apply some of these features?
Now... if I can connect my Slingbox to an APPLE TV and watch my content that way, I would consider it. Right now, it's like a VCR with all of my movies built into it. I'm not so lazy that I can't just grab the DVD and put it in the DVD player.
A POINTLESS PRODUCT THAT WILL FILL A VERY SMALL VOID IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. I don't see it really taking off.
Apple Hi Fi is the #2 selling external speaker for the ipod - certainly not a flop considering it's $300 each.
Apple is not doing subscription or rental of any kind - TAKES TOO MUCH WORK. Apple just wants to sell it to you and be done with it. If you want to hack the file open to make it DRM free or record the stream - Apple doesn't care anymore but if they "rent" it to you - they have to keep on top of that 24/7 - not worth it at this point. At some point, where there are 50 Apple TV's out there ... maybe ...
I know one thing Apple LOVES... Cash. With iTunes Bit Torrent you get:
Way more Apple TVs sold = Cash
$20 - $40 subscription fees = almost all profit with the only cost of paying the royalties. They have NO server/bandwidth fees. This is the only way a subscription model will be profitable. Any one company who has to pay all those server/bandwidth fees will never make a profit unless they charge for it or have revenue from a side business.
If people have a subscription they are going to have a huge music library constantly craving iPods with biger HDs. More cash for Apple.
With no Server/Bandwith fees they can price the subscription very competitively. How will new entrants enter the market if they have to pay for Servers/Bandwidth?
All of Apple's pay-to-own Music/TV/Movies could be moved to these Apple TV Bit Torrent boxes cutting their Bandwith costs for iTunes which = Cash.
All System update bandwidth could be trafficed to Apple TV hard drives.
There is a Huge amount of Cash available. That's what Jobs wants! 10 Billion and growing. It's his personal vendetta.
The main limitation out there is the amount of bandwidth. With iTunes Bit Torrent, Apple will own a huge percent of media distribution AND bandwidth. They would control Everything. That's what Apple always does!
Don't you think that most "PROFITABLE" could also mean most "over priced" ?
Why would you spend that kind of money on Apple Wi-Fi? People that REALLY want to listen to high quality music already have a home stereo system, which can easily be hooked up to an iPOD. If I wanted a better system, I would get a Bose Lifestyle 48 and connect my iPOD to it.
Then as far as the APPLE TV goes, it is an overpriced mac mini with no os x features other than frontrow. Let's see something people will actually use. They are trying to change the way people thing about buying or renting movies, but it isn't going to happen... at least not with this product.
I have actually become quite the SLINGBOX fanboy recently. I think this is the way to go if you want portable media. You can access your cable DVR/ON DEMAND/and all stations from anywhere in the world. So if I am going to watch content on my Pocket PC, I just turn on my TV from the airport, and watch tv. If I am at work late, and I want to catch the episode of OFFICE that airs in 10 minutes, I simply turn the SLINGPLAYER on (on my work computer, home computer, pocket pc, laptop, etc.) and watch it.
Why can't Apple apply some of these features?
Now... if I can connect my Slingbox to an APPLE TV and watch my content that way, I would consider it. Right now, it's like a VCR with all of my movies built into it. I'm not so lazy that I can't just grab the DVD and put it in the DVD player.
A POINTLESS PRODUCT THAT WILL FILL A VERY SMALL VOID IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. I don't see it really taking off.
The HiFi is a very good unit. It sounds good. Plays loudly enough for a party. Fits into college dorms and small apartments. Doesn't have extra parts and wires.
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I can't accept that SJ thinks the Movie market is like the Music Market where people want to own their Media. You only watch movies once or twice. Also, Apple could roll music and TV into this subscription service.
I want to own my own media. I know a lot of other strange folk such as myself, too. We?re out there! Rental/exploding media options are nice to have relative to movies (they are useless for music) but the sort of features that inspire me to purchase products like this revolve around long-term ownership.
If I were trying to classify people's preferences for music and movies, I'd put music firmly in the "people mostly buy" category, but movies would go in a "people mostly buy and rent" category. iTMS matches people's preference for music, I don't know if Apple will have their best success with video until it's buy or rent. (One vote for buy / rent
Tell me again..... why should I buy this product?
If you want to connect this:
to this:
without this:
Anyone know if playing music through AppleTV will have the visualizer as an option? Is that feature too CPU-intensive for such a small box? Would love to have this.
I doubt that's too CPU intensive. The thing can play 720p movies, I think it can handle the visualizer.
When mine arrives in the mail I'll have to go shopping for an HDTV. I bought prematurely
If you want to connect this:
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to this:
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without this:
Who's to say it's running Mac OS X?
JApple didn't say Mac OS X, just OS X. It might be using some form of OS X, I don't remember that being stated. It might just be a completely custom firmware because it really doesn't have to do nearly as much as the iPhone does.
I don't suppose there will be any additional features we weren't told about. Apple Hi-Fi II - El Flopperino.
Apple HiFi was not a flop.
...I can't accept that SJ thinks the Movie market is like the Music Market where people want to own their Media. You only watch movies once or twice....
I agree - mostly... a lot of movies I just want to watch once. So for that Apple should make a rental/subscription option. Some things I would like to "own", such as the complete collection of Modern Marvels, or certain movies, such as Gladiator. However, I refuse to pay $1.99 (TV Shows) or $9.99 (Movies) for media f^ck3d up by DRM. It would also be nice to get the bonus material (as on DVDs). Does Apple's Video format allow for menu-driven bonus material features embeded within the files???
Down with DRM
Apple is not doing subscription or rental of any kind - TAKES TOO MUCH WORK. Apple just wants to sell it to you and be done with it. If you want to hack the file open to make it DRM free or record the stream - Apple doesn't care anymore but if they "rent" it to you - they have to keep on top of that 24/7 - not worth it at this point. At some point, where there are 50 Apple TV's out there ... maybe ...
It would also be nice to get the bonus material (as on DVDs). Does Apple's Video format allow for menu-driven bonus material features embeded within the files???
I sure wish it did. That's what holds me back from buying movies on iTunes. No special features. I would probably only watch special features once, but I like to watch them regardless.
Just a quick comment on this comment. Netflix still refuses to support the OS X platform for its Watch Now feature, which only works on Windows XP (and now presumably Vista). I encourage anyone who subscribes to Netflix (like myself) and who is also a Mac user (like myself) to call Netflix (their number is on the Help page of their site) and complain about this. They currently refer to Watch Now as a "free service", likely because of this disparity...
I don't think it's worth any effort on their part. Unless maybe 1/4th of their subscribers are Mac users, it's probably not worth trying. They would have to get a DRM system that's compatible with Mac OS. Microsoft won't license their DRM for non-Microsoft platforms, and Apple won't license their DRM at all. What does that leave, Real? I don't think they have a DRM for Mac OS either.
Anyone know if playing music through AppleTV will have the visualizer as an option? Is that feature too CPU-intensive for such a small box? Would love to have this.
Seeing as how iTunes visualization works on my 400MHz iMac G3, I think this box could handle it as well.
Not to say that it will...
-Clive
It will run OS X. Think of it, even the iPhone will run a run-down Version of OS X, so why not on the iTV?
It might not have to run anything other than what is required for Front Row. Perhaps Darwin, with a few extra API's.
Possibly not even that. Apple may have a subset for embedded applications such as this.
It will run OS X. Think of it, even the iPhone will run a run-down Version of OS X, so why not on the iTV?
The iPhone has at least 4 GB memory to run it in. The stripped down version there still takes 500 MB of memory to hold it, according to Apple.
Also the iPhone runs various programs. This won't.
What's your definition of a flop?
Appleinsider had an article that discussed Apple Hi-Fi being one of the most profitable iPod gadgets. Also everyone who uses an Apple Hi-Fi has an iPod. Sounds like a win-win for Apple to me.
Its an optimized version of OS X, not the general Mac OS X. Primarily all it will do is playback media.
Don't you think that most "PROFITABLE" could also mean most "over priced" ?
Why would you spend that kind of money on Apple Wi-Fi? People that REALLY want to listen to high quality music already have a home stereo system, which can easily be hooked up to an iPOD. If I wanted a better system, I would get a Bose Lifestyle 48 and connect my iPOD to it.
Then as far as the APPLE TV goes, it is an overpriced mac mini with no os x features other than frontrow. Let's see something people will actually use. They are trying to change the way people thing about buying or renting movies, but it isn't going to happen... at least not with this product.
I have actually become quite the SLINGBOX fanboy recently. I think this is the way to go if you want portable media. You can access your cable DVR/ON DEMAND/and all stations from anywhere in the world. So if I am going to watch content on my Pocket PC, I just turn on my TV from the airport, and watch tv. If I am at work late, and I want to catch the episode of OFFICE that airs in 10 minutes, I simply turn the SLINGPLAYER on (on my work computer, home computer, pocket pc, laptop, etc.) and watch it.
Why can't Apple apply some of these features?
Now... if I can connect my Slingbox to an APPLE TV and watch my content that way, I would consider it. Right now, it's like a VCR with all of my movies built into it. I'm not so lazy that I can't just grab the DVD and put it in the DVD player.
A POINTLESS PRODUCT THAT WILL FILL A VERY SMALL VOID IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. I don't see it really taking off.
Isn't Apple TV simply a video player and/or wireless router?
It's more than a player, and it's not a router.
If you want to connect this:
to this:
without this:
I see you have my Sony.
If you need more cable, I'll be happy to send you a few thousand feet.
You never can have enough!
I doubt that's too CPU intensive. The thing can play 720p movies, I think it can handle the visualizer.
When mine arrives in the mail I'll have to go shopping for an HDTV. I bought prematurely
I said that people will be doing this, and was soundly thumped for it.
Apple Hi Fi is the #2 selling external speaker for the ipod - certainly not a flop considering it's $300 each.
Apple is not doing subscription or rental of any kind - TAKES TOO MUCH WORK. Apple just wants to sell it to you and be done with it. If you want to hack the file open to make it DRM free or record the stream - Apple doesn't care anymore but if they "rent" it to you - they have to keep on top of that 24/7 - not worth it at this point. At some point, where there are 50 Apple TV's out there ... maybe ...
I know one thing Apple LOVES... Cash. With iTunes Bit Torrent you get:
Way more Apple TVs sold = Cash
$20 - $40 subscription fees = almost all profit with the only cost of paying the royalties. They have NO server/bandwidth fees. This is the only way a subscription model will be profitable. Any one company who has to pay all those server/bandwidth fees will never make a profit unless they charge for it or have revenue from a side business.
If people have a subscription they are going to have a huge music library constantly craving iPods with biger HDs. More cash for Apple.
With no Server/Bandwith fees they can price the subscription very competitively. How will new entrants enter the market if they have to pay for Servers/Bandwidth?
All of Apple's pay-to-own Music/TV/Movies could be moved to these Apple TV Bit Torrent boxes cutting their Bandwith costs for iTunes which = Cash.
All System update bandwidth could be trafficed to Apple TV hard drives.
There is a Huge amount of Cash available. That's what Jobs wants! 10 Billion and growing. It's his personal vendetta.
The main limitation out there is the amount of bandwidth. With iTunes Bit Torrent, Apple will own a huge percent of media distribution AND bandwidth. They would control Everything. That's what Apple always does!
J
Apple HiFi was not a flop.
No, it's not. It's really quite good for what it is.
Don't you think that most "PROFITABLE" could also mean most "over priced" ?
Why would you spend that kind of money on Apple Wi-Fi? People that REALLY want to listen to high quality music already have a home stereo system, which can easily be hooked up to an iPOD. If I wanted a better system, I would get a Bose Lifestyle 48 and connect my iPOD to it.
Then as far as the APPLE TV goes, it is an overpriced mac mini with no os x features other than frontrow. Let's see something people will actually use. They are trying to change the way people thing about buying or renting movies, but it isn't going to happen... at least not with this product.
I have actually become quite the SLINGBOX fanboy recently. I think this is the way to go if you want portable media. You can access your cable DVR/ON DEMAND/and all stations from anywhere in the world. So if I am going to watch content on my Pocket PC, I just turn on my TV from the airport, and watch tv. If I am at work late, and I want to catch the episode of OFFICE that airs in 10 minutes, I simply turn the SLINGPLAYER on (on my work computer, home computer, pocket pc, laptop, etc.) and watch it.
Why can't Apple apply some of these features?
Now... if I can connect my Slingbox to an APPLE TV and watch my content that way, I would consider it. Right now, it's like a VCR with all of my movies built into it. I'm not so lazy that I can't just grab the DVD and put it in the DVD player.
A POINTLESS PRODUCT THAT WILL FILL A VERY SMALL VOID IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. I don't see it really taking off.
The HiFi is a very good unit. It sounds good. Plays loudly enough for a party. Fits into college dorms and small apartments. Doesn't have extra parts and wires.
And, it's portable as well.
Certainly not overpriced!