If it was just an iTunes Store announcement, that would be the biggest disappointment ever. No, this is pure Final Cut Pro, Octo Macs, and maybe a few "one more things".
If the announcement is going to put a lot of emphasis on HD, I could see Apple including an announcement of HD content in iTunes -- particularly since Apple TV just shipped and can apparently handle such content.
I'm really surprised that The Beatles catalog has not yet been announced. It's been more than a month since Apple and Apple Corp. announced the settlement and new licensing deal. Maybe we're going to get an iTunes content announcement/event soon for Apple to announce:
* The Beatles catalog,
* Warner Brothers catalog films, and
* select films and TV shows in HD.
And since Thom Yorke is already in the fold, I'd love to see the Radiohead catalog and a new EP.
I hope the octo-core will be announce and a new FC Studio apps at NAB.
Maybe new displays as well.
I wonder if they will keep the current design or a new completely new design for Mac pro and Displays.
I don't expect Leopard to be announce at NAB, but I am pretty sure the MacPro will only ship when Leopard is here. So, is either we have Leopard announce it right after NAB or MacPro will ship close to WWDC or maybe a bit earlier
Its difficult to say with the UI. But what is very likely is that FCP 6 will directly use new API's in Leopard.
The same happened with FCP 5 and Tiger. You really needed Tiger to make full use of FCP 5. It would work on Panther but all functions of 5 would not work properly.
This probably will be the case. As FCP 6 will likely use new technology in Leopard. If this is screwing the customer what do you suggest? That Apple does not upgrade FCP? Or that Apple updates Tiger with Leopards new technology?
It is not uncommon to expect pros who would be in the market of buying such software as Aperture and Final Cut Studio to upgrade to the latest operating system.
And Apple wouldn't have to announce anything about Leopard at this event. All they have to say is..."Final Cut Pro 6...shipping by June."
It's obvious Leopard will be ready by June.
June is going to be a big month for Apple computers.
I'm looking forward so forward to a new FCP. Maybe if they do announce final cut extreme they'll drop the price on the original suite, that'd be awesome.
I expect the suite to also be divided up app wise like it was before so those of you that want to buy only 1 program can.
I think Apple will announce 10.5 before NAB, and FCP 6 will run on Leopard at NAB. The same way they did with FCP 5 and Tiger back in 2005.
I don't believe the FC Extreme and 4K rumors. 4K is prohibitively expensive. Even for multimillion dollar Hollywood films. The only Hollywood films that indulge in 4K have budgets north of $100 million.
I can believe FCP will work with 2K. Which still a lot of data and expensive to deal with.
[QUOTE=TenoBell;1057485]I think Apple will announce 10.5 before NAB, and FCP 6 will run on Leopard at NAB. The same way they did with FCP 5 and Tiger back in 2005./QUOTE]
Why the AppleInsider watermark? Is this really an exclusive picture?
I completely agree. Why degrade the experience for your users like that? I'd rather you build a better experience here than worry about what other sites might do.
I think Apple will announce 10.5 before NAB, and FCP 6 will run on Leopard at NAB. The same way they did with FCP 5 and Tiger back in 2005.
I don't believe the FC Extreme and 4K rumors. 4K is prohibitively expensive. Even for multimillion dollar Hollywood films. The only Hollywood films that indulge in 4K have budgets north of $100 million.
I can believe FCP will work with 2K. Which still a lot of data and expensive to deal with.
If true that Leo is needed and it maybe, then we may also have a wait to buy. A software developer friend tells me he believes Leo is not due till, at the earliest, the developer's conference. So that would mean the new editing Mac is not available till then either. That's really hard to imagine but who knows?
Apple is never done tweaking the GUI... there is always something to be done with it to make it better than the last iteration. Plus the new GUI will be res-ind, so a few things will be changed in it for better use with this new tech I would think. Its like the (artist is never done with a painting etc concept..)
Sorry, I could buy that except the part where you say "make it better". They don't always make it better. Half the times they make it different for the sake of making it different. A couple of examples:
Removal of the toolbar in the system preferences, for no reason at all.
Columns view is still relatively useless with little degree of control on how things work.
In list view, they removed the 'left-right' cursor to resize columns, which means you literally have to guess where to click to resize those columns. Guess wrong and you've just moved the entire column around.
They still can't seem to come up with a way to set up a display for folders in list view for all folders, and have it stick (esp. changing column widths, turning on 'calculate sizes', etc).
Kind of off-topic, but since I'm ranting: What's the deal with making read me files that are actually applications?
On top of that, then they go around and break their UI themselves. I don't care about certain specific apps that need to have things different because of what they do (say iMovie), although Garageband has some elements that are completely wrong, and why exactly does Mail have a different appearance than every other app?. Could they not wait to do that UI overall in Leopard, or do it in all apps in Tiger. But just in one app is just plain not caring. iTunes has items in the pop-up menus that don't appear anywhere else.
And I don't think resolution-independence has been an announced feature of Leopard, has it?
If true that Leo is needed and it maybe, then we may also have a wait to buy. A software developer friend tells me he believes Leo is not due till, at the earliest, the developer's conference. So that would mean the new editing Mac is not available till then either. That's really hard to imagine but who knows?
Just because they show does not mean it will go on sale right away. I doubt the will show FCP 6 running on Tiger.
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I say 4k is coming. Lots of things point to Red and Apple being in bed together.
Doing all of this is far more complicated than the rabid fans of Red think it is. Capturing 4K on the camera is only one part of the process and probably the easiest. Most high end post houses with millions of dollars worth of equipment currently work in 2K. There are only a couple of high end post houses that are even set up to work with 4K. They had to spend hundreds of thousands to get their equipment up to the task.
Finally the Red camera can be used to it's fullest potential.
Exactly. As I pointed out last year or whenever the big RED announcement came out (and people thought it was all a myth or a hoax) they had a links section, now found under Gear We Use, the first link is Apple.
Tell me, why would they use Apple and not FCP? They have obviously been testing with a new still in beta version of FCP to support their cameras.
Oh, and the lack of mention to Avid further supports my speculation.
Also notice that this camera will not ship till early this year....April is still considered early. They must have been testing these cameras on something that is still in development by Apple otherwise they would be a little more specific with the system requirments but being that they have signd an NDA, they cannot do that.
Exactly. As I pointed out last year or whenever the big RED announcement came out (and people thought it was all a myth or a hoax)
4K sensors have been around for years and 4K cameras have been developed before RED. Ultimately the problem is the cameras are expensive and to actually record and store 4K data is difficult and prohibitively expensive.
What most professionals are most skeptical about is RED being sold for $17,000 and still making a profit.
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Tell me, why would they use Apple and not FCP? They have obviously been testing with a new still in beta version of FCP to support their cameras.
RED has said its codec is made to work natively with Quicktime. Even if RED are using Apple computers how would that be any proof that Apple developing 4K capability? If they are working together it'll be 2K at the most.
In real world production there is still no completely stable or standard way to even record and store uncompressed 1080 HD. This is still in rough and experimental stages. 4K is nearly 5 times more data. Real world production and post production are currently not ready to deal with that.
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Oh, and the lack of mention to Avid further supports my speculation.
I doubt that means anything. If RED did not allow Avid access to its codec they would be cutting themselves from the majority of films that could even possibly use the full 4K workflow.
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If it was just an iTunes Store announcement, that would be the biggest disappointment ever. No, this is pure Final Cut Pro, Octo Macs, and maybe a few "one more things".
If the announcement is going to put a lot of emphasis on HD, I could see Apple including an announcement of HD content in iTunes -- particularly since Apple TV just shipped and can apparently handle such content.
I'm really surprised that The Beatles catalog has not yet been announced. It's been more than a month since Apple and Apple Corp. announced the settlement and new licensing deal. Maybe we're going to get an iTunes content announcement/event soon for Apple to announce:
* The Beatles catalog,
* Warner Brothers catalog films, and
* select films and TV shows in HD.
And since Thom Yorke is already in the fold, I'd love to see the Radiohead catalog and a new EP.
Maybe new displays as well.
I wonder if they will keep the current design or a new completely new design for Mac pro and Displays.
I don't expect Leopard to be announce at NAB, but I am pretty sure the MacPro will only ship when Leopard is here. So, is either we have Leopard announce it right after NAB or MacPro will ship close to WWDC or maybe a bit earlier
Bring it on!
Its difficult to say with the UI. But what is very likely is that FCP 6 will directly use new API's in Leopard.
The same happened with FCP 5 and Tiger. You really needed Tiger to make full use of FCP 5. It would work on Panther but all functions of 5 would not work properly.
This probably will be the case. As FCP 6 will likely use new technology in Leopard. If this is screwing the customer what do you suggest? That Apple does not upgrade FCP? Or that Apple updates Tiger with Leopards new technology?
It is not uncommon to expect pros who would be in the market of buying such software as Aperture and Final Cut Studio to upgrade to the latest operating system.
And Apple wouldn't have to announce anything about Leopard at this event. All they have to say is..."Final Cut Pro 6...shipping by June."
It's obvious Leopard will be ready by June.
June is going to be a big month for Apple computers.
I expect the suite to also be divided up app wise like it was before so those of you that want to buy only 1 program can.
Cool, a computer CPU that finally uses octal instead of binary, presumably for faster UNIX file permissions.
Or did you man Octo- ?
nit pick over a typo ... and then do one yourself
I don't believe the FC Extreme and 4K rumors. 4K is prohibitively expensive. Even for multimillion dollar Hollywood films. The only Hollywood films that indulge in 4K have budgets north of $100 million.
I can believe FCP will work with 2K. Which still a lot of data and expensive to deal with.
Doubt it. I don't think they're ready.
Why the AppleInsider watermark? Is this really an exclusive picture?
I completely agree. Why degrade the experience for your users like that? I'd rather you build a better experience here than worry about what other sites might do.
I think Apple will announce 10.5 before NAB, and FCP 6 will run on Leopard at NAB. The same way they did with FCP 5 and Tiger back in 2005.
I don't believe the FC Extreme and 4K rumors. 4K is prohibitively expensive. Even for multimillion dollar Hollywood films. The only Hollywood films that indulge in 4K have budgets north of $100 million.
I can believe FCP will work with 2K. Which still a lot of data and expensive to deal with.
If true that Leo is needed and it maybe, then we may also have a wait to buy. A software developer friend tells me he believes Leo is not due till, at the earliest, the developer's conference. So that would mean the new editing Mac is not available till then either. That's really hard to imagine but who knows?
nit pick over a typo ... and then do one yourself
Exactly! He should have said, Octa.
Apple is never done tweaking the GUI... there is always something to be done with it to make it better than the last iteration. Plus the new GUI will be res-ind, so a few things will be changed in it for better use with this new tech I would think. Its like the (artist is never done with a painting etc concept..)
Sorry, I could buy that except the part where you say "make it better". They don't always make it better. Half the times they make it different for the sake of making it different. A couple of examples:
- Removal of the toolbar in the system preferences, for no reason at all.
- Columns view is still relatively useless with little degree of control on how things work.
- In list view, they removed the 'left-right' cursor to resize columns, which means you literally have to guess where to click to resize those columns. Guess wrong and you've just moved the entire column around.
- They still can't seem to come up with a way to set up a display for folders in list view for all folders, and have it stick (esp. changing column widths, turning on 'calculate sizes', etc).
- Kind of off-topic, but since I'm ranting: What's the deal with making read me files that are actually applications?
On top of that, then they go around and break their UI themselves. I don't care about certain specific apps that need to have things different because of what they do (say iMovie), although Garageband has some elements that are completely wrong, and why exactly does Mail have a different appearance than every other app?. Could they not wait to do that UI overall in Leopard, or do it in all apps in Tiger. But just in one app is just plain not caring. iTunes has items in the pop-up menus that don't appear anywhere else.And I don't think resolution-independence has been an announced feature of Leopard, has it?
If true that Leo is needed and it maybe, then we may also have a wait to buy. A software developer friend tells me he believes Leo is not due till, at the earliest, the developer's conference. So that would mean the new editing Mac is not available till then either. That's really hard to imagine but who knows?
Just because they show does not mean it will go on sale right away. I doubt the will show FCP 6 running on Tiger.
I say 4k is coming. Lots of things point to Red and Apple being in bed together.
Doing all of this is far more complicated than the rabid fans of Red think it is. Capturing 4K on the camera is only one part of the process and probably the easiest. Most high end post houses with millions of dollars worth of equipment currently work in 2K. There are only a couple of high end post houses that are even set up to work with 4K. They had to spend hundreds of thousands to get their equipment up to the task.
1080 HD 16x9 has 2 million pixels per frame
2K Cinema 1:85 has over 2.15 million pixels per frame
4K Cinema 1:85 has 8,631,360 pixels per frame
For context:
1080 HD 16x9 has 2 million pixels per frame
2K Cinema 1:85 has over 2.15 million pixels per frame
4K Cinema 1:85 has 8,631,360 pixels per frame
Finally the Red camera can be used to it's fullest potential.
- Shake successor finished earlier than expected?
- New Motion?
etc.
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Finally the Red camera can be used to it's fullest potential.
Exactly. As I pointed out last year or whenever the big RED announcement came out (and people thought it was all a myth or a hoax) they had a links section, now found under Gear We Use, the first link is Apple.
Tell me, why would they use Apple and not FCP? They have obviously been testing with a new still in beta version of FCP to support their cameras.
Oh, and the lack of mention to Avid further supports my speculation.
Also notice that this camera will not ship till early this year....April is still considered early. They must have been testing these cameras on something that is still in development by Apple otherwise they would be a little more specific with the system requirments but being that they have signd an NDA, they cannot do that.
Exactly. As I pointed out last year or whenever the big RED announcement came out (and people thought it was all a myth or a hoax)
4K sensors have been around for years and 4K cameras have been developed before RED. Ultimately the problem is the cameras are expensive and to actually record and store 4K data is difficult and prohibitively expensive.
What most professionals are most skeptical about is RED being sold for $17,000 and still making a profit.
Tell me, why would they use Apple and not FCP? They have obviously been testing with a new still in beta version of FCP to support their cameras.
RED has said its codec is made to work natively with Quicktime. Even if RED are using Apple computers how would that be any proof that Apple developing 4K capability? If they are working together it'll be 2K at the most.
In real world production there is still no completely stable or standard way to even record and store uncompressed 1080 HD. This is still in rough and experimental stages. 4K is nearly 5 times more data. Real world production and post production are currently not ready to deal with that.
Oh, and the lack of mention to Avid further supports my speculation.
I doubt that means anything. If RED did not allow Avid access to its codec they would be cutting themselves from the majority of films that could even possibly use the full 4K workflow.