Busting into an Apple TV (photos)

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  • Reply 41 of 66
    Then put the ?TV on top.
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  • Reply 42 of 66
    sjksjk Posts: 603member
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    Originally Posted by Messiah View Post


    I'm using the new AirPort Extreme as a media server. All you have to do is connect a USB drive and every machine on the network can access the contents...



    Though there's currently no support for Apple TV*to access it directly, correct?
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  • Reply 43 of 66
    I think Apple TV is good in its current incarnation, but it will no doubt get better. But I think Apple is of course using this as part of a much larger strategy in media distribution. My comments are more fully spelled out here: http://itfinanceguy.com/?p=11
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  • Reply 44 of 66
    physguyphysguy Posts: 920member
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    Though there's currently no support for Apple TV*to access it directly, correct?



    According to one report if you create a reference movie to a movie on the network drive using QT pro and sync that (reference movie, typ 1-3 MB) to the ATV via itunes it is supposed to go directly to the network drive even without the source computer. I'm not sure I believe this.
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  • Reply 45 of 66
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,722member
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    Originally Posted by Leonard View Post


    Apple TV HD Upgraded http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...0gb-246567.php



    Well that didn't take long!



    Well, so much for the Apple ROM idea.
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  • Reply 46 of 66
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,722member
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    Not to mention the fact that the top of the ?TV acts as the unit's heatsink.



    The don't have to sit directly on top.



    I have some older 3Com networking devices that I used years ago. They get very hot, but stack, using feet that raise one unit to leave room for the fan to disburse the heat. The bottoms of the units are designed to allow the hot air from the unit below to be directed away.
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  • Reply 47 of 66
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leonard View Post


    Apple TV HD Upgraded http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...0gb-246567.php



    Mmmm, nice. That makes the AppleTV REALLY tempting.
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  • Reply 48 of 66
    zandroszandros Posts: 537member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    The don't have to sit directly on top.



    I have some older 3Com networking devices that I used years ago. They get very hot, but stack, using feet that raise one unit to leave room for the fan to disburse the heat. The bottoms of the units are designed to allow the hot air from the unit below to be directed away.



    Obviously not, but the TV, the Mac mini and the AirPort Extreme doesn't exactly have any clearance to speak of. There are heat vents on the bottom of the TV, but I'm not sure how useful those are covered by the rubber sheet.



    Edit: Isn't it peculiar how the Apple logo sometimes show up, and sometimes don't...
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  • Reply 49 of 66
    leonardleonard Posts: 528member
    The actual guide on how to upgrade the HD http://www.appletvhacks.net/2007/03/...grade-process/
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  • Reply 50 of 66
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,722member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zandros View Post


    Obviously not, but the ?TV, the Mac mini and the AirPort Extreme doesn't exactly have any clearance to speak of. There are heat vents on the bottom of the ?TV, but I'm not sure how useful those are covered by the rubber sheet.



    Edit: Isn't it peculiar how the Apple logo sometimes show up, and sometimes don't...



    I realise that. I'm thinking about the fact that it can be done correctly, not that it has been done correctly



    Actually the 3Com equipment uses snap-on connectors to give the clearence. So it isn't even a part of the units, but comes in the box with them.
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  • Reply 51 of 66
    sjksjk Posts: 603member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by physguy View Post


    According to one report if you create a reference movie to a movie on the network drive using QT pro and sync that (reference movie, typ 1-3 MB) to the ATV via itunes it is supposed to go directly to the network drive even without the source computer. I'm not sure I believe this.



    Interesting, though I won't believe it either without convincing evidence (like I've now seen enough of to confirm 480i compatibility).
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  • Reply 52 of 66
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,722member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sjk View Post


    Interesting, though I won't believe it either without convincing evidence (like I've now seen enough of to confirm 480i compatibility).



    Yeah. no one believed me when I said it would work with 480i.\
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  • Reply 53 of 66
    sjksjk Posts: 603member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Yeah. no one believed me when I said it would work with 480i.\



    I never saw your convincing reasons why it would work.
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  • Reply 54 of 66
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    Not to mention the fact that the top of the ?TV acts as the unit's heatsink.



    Most A/V components that radiate heat are vented out the top and it's not recommended that you stack any of them directly atop one another. If you look at any decent home theater setup, you'll see each component is shelved individually with plenty of overhead space to allow for air flow.



    Amplifiers in particular generate a tremendous amount of heat and need several inches clearance out the top.



    What I'm seeing in Apple's industrial design is a very smart, energy efficient approach by not trying to fight simple physics. Heat rises... simple fact. By allowing it to rise, as they do with the venting in the iMacs, they can quickly reduce temperature levels with minimal additional energy expenditure.



    Not surprising that I've heard some rumors that the next Mac Pro may be top-vented.
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  • Reply 55 of 66
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ITFinanceGuy View Post


    I think Apple TV is good in its current incarnation, but it will no doubt get better. But I think Apple is of course using this as part of a much larger strategy in media distribution. My comments are more fully spelled out here: http://itfinanceguy.com/?p=11



    I read your blog post. Interesting observations. I'll add, though, that Apple is already thinking 3-5 years ahead of this.



    Based on recent patent filings, job postings, etc. the next phase of Apple's strategy is to take the technological convergence mobile... with the Mobile Mac business unit.



    I started pondering this after iPhone's introduction because iPhone and AppleTV are not really the strategic products they seem to be. Rather Apple's product development roadmaps usually begin with putting out a "feeler" product with minimal features while testing prototypes for potential future iterations.



    At the time iPhone was announced it became clearer and clearer that Apple was testing larger multitouch portables. And then the Mobile Mac business unit surfaced.



    If you examine Apple's roadmap since 1997, you'll find they've been moving in this direction all along. First they evangelized the concept of the computer as not the centerpiece of your attention but the "digital hub" of your lifestyle, then introduced software to give functionality to digital peripherals via the "hub", then they began introducing digital peripherals (e.g. ipod, AppleTV) to broaden their hub strategy to the LAN. Now it's the LAN that's the backbone of your digital lifestyle, distributing content to other peripherals including your home entertainment system.



    The next phase of this evolution is Mobile Mac, unquestionably. These multitouch portables with wi-fi, HSDPA, potentially wiMax/4G capabilities will extend this product strategy to the WAN/Internet... enabling technological convergence on a broader scale than anyone would have imagined possible.



    Apple is rather sparing with their patents... while they have a lot of concepts floating around, they don't invest huge capital in the money pit of patent whoring. Instead, they keep projects extremely confidential and tend to patent them right about the time the product development roadmap risks outside leakage of information where they are at a stage of activity that requires input from vendors, developers, FCC, whoever.



    Of the recent patents they have filed, there are two very interesting ones... one for an induction type charging stand, the design of which suggests an iMac type all-in-one that docks to a charging stand for conventional usage and undocks for mobile usage. Another interesting patent, with perhaps even greater significance, is the Integrated Sensing Display in which the display surface area IS also the camera. No more pinhole camera. Another iteration of the ISD includes an endoscopic catheter in which the image sensing element is directly in line with the light emitting element (a display element that basically emits white light). This can greatly reduce the size of endoscopic catheters and allow for less invasive procedures.



    One of the professional markets they seem to be courting, based on patent filings and some of their current success with Mac products and Apple Pro software is, interestingly, medicine.



    Instead of imagining something as mundane as 1080p on an AppleTV, they're already thinking forward 5 years from now when a neurosurgeon in New York may be operating on a patient half way around the world using a multitouch Mac for both the diagnostic feedback, videoconferencing for differential diagnosis, and "hands on" multitouch control of surgical robotics (real technology that exists today) which not only enable remote controlled surgery but have filters to remove jitter from shaky hands.



    Using an Apple endoscope and the remote robotics, coupled with (also real technology TODAY) a portable MRI unit that sits right in the operating room providing realtime non-invasive imaging of the patient's insides that may be superimposed on an HD video feed, a surgeon with unique skills in a dangerous procedure could perform it in as minimally-invasive a way as possible on a patient half way around the world.



    I'm not speaking of anything imaginary. The portable realtime MRI, the remote surgical robotics are real, and Apple is more than likely testing prototypes of the rest as we speak.



    There are some radical innovations coming in computing, particularly from Apple. This is why, I find, they've changed their name to Apple, Inc. Not because they're branching into making things that aren't computers. All their main products, including AppleTV and iPod, are essentially computers. What's changing is the ubiquitous nature of computing of the past 30 years. Apple is so focused on removing the obstacles between the user and the task they're trying to achieve that the computer is itself becoming transparent by way of robust industrial design in the device and the not-to-be-trivialized user interfaces of the devices they make.



    In that sense, they are still making computers of various kinds, but how we use these devices is , in this time of technological convergence, departing more and more from what we think of as "computing" that "computer" is perhaps the wrong word for them. Hence, "Apple, Inc." is really a reflection of the changing nature of the computer, redefined largely by Apple.
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  • Reply 56 of 66
    eckingecking Posts: 1,588member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Slewis View Post


    I'm curious, are you talking about the Windows Home Server trash that Microsoft recently released?

    Then you may be interested in this.



    Sebastian



    I'm not really talking about that, I was using that as a point of reference of the general idea. Apple's would obviously be way better and much more affordable. I'm picturing more along the lines of a taller appleTV built only for media storage. Connecting a usb hd to the new airport isn't the same thing and benchmarks and user reviews have show that the airport solution isn't a perfect way to keep everything you own.
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  • Reply 57 of 66
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ecking View Post


    I'm not really talking about that, I was using that as a point of reference of the general idea. Apple's would obviously be way better and much more affordable. I'm picturing more along the lines of a taller appleTV built only for media storage. Connecting a usb hd to the new airport isn't the same thing and benchmarks and user reviews have show that the airport solution isn't a perfect way to keep everything you own.



    Well it's still Apple's better version of Home Server.



    Hmmm, I don't really see what you mean. If you want media Storage the Airport Extreme can do that, wireless and wired. But no it isn't perfect from the reviews I've read either. Personally the #1 reason I see to get it is for Time Machine when Leopard comes out.



    Sebastian
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  • Reply 58 of 66
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,722member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sjk View Post


    I never saw your convincing reasons why it would work.



    I had said that I would be very surprised if component didn't allow SD, because that's part of the component standard. But people said that it couldn't be, because Apple didn't mention it.
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  • Reply 59 of 66
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,722member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Snowdog74 View Post


    Most A/V components that radiate heat are vented out the top and it's not recommended that you stack any of them directly atop one another. If you look at any decent home theater setup, you'll see each component is shelved individually with plenty of overhead space to allow for air flow.



    Amplifiers in particular generate a tremendous amount of heat and need several inches clearance out the top.



    What I'm seeing in Apple's industrial design is a very smart, energy efficient approach by not trying to fight simple physics. Heat rises... simple fact. By allowing it to rise, as they do with the venting in the iMacs, they can quickly reduce temperature levels with minimal additional energy expenditure.



    Not surprising that I've heard some rumors that the next Mac Pro may be top-vented.



    Dp-Class amps put out very little heat. Unlike analog amps, which are rarely more than 20% efficient, these range from about 75% to 90%. Many need no venting at all.



    Venting through the top is not required, and in fact much pro equipment is rear vented, because of the requirements of rack mounting.



    The same is true for Apple's servers, which put out enormous volumes of heat.



    Top venting is more a matter of cost and manufacturing convenience.
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  • Reply 60 of 66
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Snowdog74 View Post


    Instead of imagining something as mundane as 1080p on an AppleTV, they're already thinking forward 5 years from now when a neurosurgeon in New York may be operating on a patient half way around the world using a multitouch Mac for both the diagnostic feedback, videoconferencing for differential diagnosis, and "hands on" multitouch control of surgical robotics (real technology that exists today) which not only enable remote controlled surgery but have filters to remove jitter from shaky hands.



    I'd rather my surgery not consist of a foreign doctor with shaky hands playing a video game of my insides from somewhere in Europe.
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