As I continue to read these articles about analyst reports, I keep asking myself, "Do they really get paid to state the obvious?" Why exactly would Vista's impending launch affect Mac sales? Mac's aren't Windows PC's and HP/Dell/Lenovo computers aren't OS X PC's.
Microsoft announced a new version of the Xbox but I highly doubt it will affect sales of the Nintendo Wii, Sony's PS3 or toasters. Can I get my analyst pay for that obvious conclusion?
If Apple announced a release date for Leopard, I bet we'd see a similar slow down in Mac sales. They'll probably be one as the "late Spring" launch deadline draws near and people anticipate Leopard's arrival.
No you can't get your analyst pay for that incorrect conclusion. People weigh their options when buying computers. If they see a new computer with a brand new operating, it could effect their decision to buy a mac. They're in the SAME MARKET! Businesses in the same market take market share from each other.
Considering the number of people who are likely waiting for the new Mac OS and still Apple is unaffected by the Vista release. What that tells me is Apple has an opportunity to make a pretty big splash before the end of Spring.
I have to disagree. If someone is looking for a new PC, then they are going to get it. How do Mac sales come into play? Yeah, they all are computers, but they are not the same.
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No you can't get your analyst pay for that incorrect conclusion. People weigh their options when buying computers. If they see a new computer with a brand new operating, it could effect their decision to buy a mac. They're in the SAME MARKET! Businesses in the same market take market share from each other.
No you can't get your analyst pay for that incorrect conclusion. People weigh their options when buying computers. If they see a new computer with a brand new operating, it could effect their decision to buy a mac. They're in the SAME MARKET! Businesses in the same market take market share from each other.
The vast majority of people NEVER see a Mac when they go to buy a new computer. The only places consumers would be weighing their options is CompUSA (the ones that aren't closing) and a couple Best Buy stores or online. Most people probably aren't even aware that they run different operating systems (the current Apple ads never show Tiger running). What they knew from going to Circuit City, Best Buy or the Dell website is that a new OS was coming out for the computer.
Put simply, people would have to know what a Mac was to have it affect their decision on whether to buy one or not.
The vast majority of people NEVER see a Mac when they go to buy a new computer. The only places consumers would be weighing their options is CompUSA (the ones that aren't closing) and a couple Best Buy stores or online. Most people probably aren't even aware that they run different operating systems (the current Apple ads never show Tiger running). What they knew from going to Circuit City, Best Buy or the Dell website is that a new OS was coming out for the computer.
Put simply, people would have to know what a Mac was to have it affect their decision on whether to buy one or not.
I entirely agree. People (and by people, I mean Joe Bloggs) do not even seem to notice that Macs don’t run Windows. Even if you put one in front of them. I let my friend have a go on my MacBook and it took him like ten minutes to ask ”where’s the Start button?”, and then about a further five minutes to work out for himself that there isn’t one.
Apple should really start to show off OS X more and get the idea into consumer’s heads that OS X and Windows are different. And, that OS X is better. But we all knew that anyway.
I didn't see this article published as I perused the rumors sites before turning in for bed Thursday evening, so I could be wrong or maybe things once stated, were, but have now been changed, BUT, I'm seeing the following...
Friday, March 30, 2007
Apple thrives under Vista onslaught...
By Aidan Malley
Published: 12:00 AM EST
- if that is truely when it was published (12:00 AM EST), does that not make the date Friday, March 30, 2007. I'm confused. What is it that others are seeing and causing them to say "it's not Friday" or "AI shows articles from the future"??? I hate seeing one thing and reading the opposite and I hate being out of the loop! Somebody Help Me!!!
I have to disagree. If someone is looking for a new PC, then they are going to get it. How do Mac sales come into play? Yeah, they all are computers, but they are not the same.
But you are implying that people who are into PC 's would never even CONSIDER buying a Mac, by definition. If that were true, the number of Macs sold wouldn 't be growing.
And if it 's not true, that means that people who were considering buying a Mac might very well stop considering because they think Vista is OK, too.
A consistently strong showing was also the hallmark of the California firm's other core business, the iPod. Apple showed no signs of letting go of its by now well-entrenched marketshare, holding over 73 percent of the music player sales through the early part of the year and growing 30 percent between the same two months in 2006 and 2007. Would-be challengers had to largely be content with taking each other's business, the report noted.
"Would-be challengers..." Hmm, I wonder who THAT would be a reference to?
Apple also took an 8 percent share of this particular market, compared to 6 percent a year ago -- boding especially well for the still modestly sized Mac maker in the face of resurgent competition. Some assumed the company would lose ground to Vista as it had with prior Windows updates.
What "resurgent competition." The whole article is about how poorly the "competition" is doing since Vista. Do you not know what resurgent means or not understand that your article is about?
Also, who assumed Apple would lose ground to Vista? The article you source on this was poorly sourced itself and doesn't really say how Apple would lose ground to Vista.
Finally, what "prior Windows updates" have hurt Apple? XP? XP SP1?
But you are implying that people who are into PC 's would never even CONSIDER buying a Mac, by definition. If that were true, the number of Macs sold wouldn 't be growing.
And if it 's not true, that means that people who were considering buying a Mac might very well stop considering because they think Vista is OK, too.
I think the assumption is that the vast majority of people looking to buy a computer aren't considering a Mac. Thus a certain portion is considering it and making the switch, but the rest don't know or don't care what a Mac is.
If someond did a survey at the local Walmart and asked people the question, "What is a Mac?" how many would answer that it was a computer versus how many would say they thought it was a McDonald's sandwich? As much as it would be nice to believe it would be primarily the first choice, chances are it wouldn't be.
Unless I overlooked it, there is no mention of OS X in the article. That said, your average user, and possibly even this "analyst", might think Apple runs Windows as it's only OS. It certainly seems like it is indirectly implied.
Is reading a problem? Or are you saying that they changed it?
First sentence:
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An expert at Morgan Stanley has reasoned that of all the major computer makers in play during the release of Windows Vista, the only one to avoid taking a hit in sales was the one company that chose not to run the software at all: Apple.Is reading a problem? Or are you saying that they changed it?
We live in a global economy and thanks to the iPod Apple is now a strong global brand. Although Sony was founded 30 years before Apple they have a smaller company value, but and here's the big but, they have many stores in my country and all round Europe. Sure it was only five years ago that Apple opened their first store, but it's about time they stated treating Europe with the same amount of fucus they do America, and for our sake and Apple's they need to start putting stores in other countries besides England. Sure they have plans to do this, but we want to see some action and the quicker that happens the better. The Mac has a presents in America, but not here and Apple stores would change that I'm sure of it, besides I could drive to an Apple store and buy direct which is what we all want in the end.
Sure it was only five years ago that Apple opened their first store, but it's about time they stated treating Europe with the same amount of fucus they do America, and for our sake and Apple's they need to start putting stores in other countries besides England.
There's two in Scotland opening this year. Glasgow in July, Edinburgh later in the year. They're getting around to it gradually.
It's a bit of a pointless article. Apple's extremely unlikely to be affected by the launch of Windows Vista. The Windows and Mac markets operate in parallel rather than in direct competition.
PC Makers in general are still churning out generic products that are as boring as ever. The likes of DELL etc don't really provide any innovation for the PC as a consumer product. The vast majority of PCs still looking and feeling like office or lab equipment rather than genuine finished consumer products.
Only perhaps Sony has any sort of product differnciation.
Apple will continue to grow within its niche in the market as the demand for high end media-centric computers is rising and the PC market still, even with vista, hasn't really addressed this as effectively as apple has.
The growth of high speed broadband and all the movie and audio centric stuff that this creates is always going to benefit apple as that's the market its products are specifically targeting.
There's also no question that the Mac is riding on the success of the iPod, iTunes and probabally the iPhone when it goes more mass-market.
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As I continue to read these articles about analyst reports, I keep asking myself, "Do they really get paid to state the obvious?" Why exactly would Vista's impending launch affect Mac sales? Mac's aren't Windows PC's and HP/Dell/Lenovo computers aren't OS X PC's.
Microsoft announced a new version of the Xbox but I highly doubt it will affect sales of the Nintendo Wii, Sony's PS3 or toasters. Can I get my analyst pay for that obvious conclusion?
If Apple announced a release date for Leopard, I bet we'd see a similar slow down in Mac sales. They'll probably be one as the "late Spring" launch deadline draws near and people anticipate Leopard's arrival.
No you can't get your analyst pay for that incorrect conclusion. People weigh their options when buying computers. If they see a new computer with a brand new operating, it could effect their decision to buy a mac. They're in the SAME MARKET! Businesses in the same market take market share from each other.
AppleInsider is.
-=|Mgkwho
You do your country no favours with that kind of attitude.
what attitude?
But there's no room for humor when we're talking about Windows, I guess...
some people need to take sticks out of their...
BTW everybody, it is really hard to tell inflection or attitude from plain text.
-=|Mgkwho
No you can't get your analyst pay for that incorrect conclusion. People weigh their options when buying computers. If they see a new computer with a brand new operating, it could effect their decision to buy a mac. They're in the SAME MARKET! Businesses in the same market take market share from each other.
No you can't get your analyst pay for that incorrect conclusion. People weigh their options when buying computers. If they see a new computer with a brand new operating, it could effect their decision to buy a mac. They're in the SAME MARKET! Businesses in the same market take market share from each other.
The vast majority of people NEVER see a Mac when they go to buy a new computer. The only places consumers would be weighing their options is CompUSA (the ones that aren't closing) and a couple Best Buy stores or online. Most people probably aren't even aware that they run different operating systems (the current Apple ads never show Tiger running). What they knew from going to Circuit City, Best Buy or the Dell website is that a new OS was coming out for the computer.
Put simply, people would have to know what a Mac was to have it affect their decision on whether to buy one or not.
The vast majority of people NEVER see a Mac when they go to buy a new computer. The only places consumers would be weighing their options is CompUSA (the ones that aren't closing) and a couple Best Buy stores or online. Most people probably aren't even aware that they run different operating systems (the current Apple ads never show Tiger running). What they knew from going to Circuit City, Best Buy or the Dell website is that a new OS was coming out for the computer.
Put simply, people would have to know what a Mac was to have it affect their decision on whether to buy one or not.
I entirely agree. People (and by people, I mean Joe Bloggs) do not even seem to notice that Macs don’t run Windows. Even if you put one in front of them. I let my friend have a go on my MacBook and it took him like ten minutes to ask ”where’s the Start button?”, and then about a further five minutes to work out for himself that there isn’t one.
Apple should really start to show off OS X more and get the idea into consumer’s heads that OS X and Windows are different. And, that OS X is better. But we all knew that anyway.
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friday.
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I didn't see this article published as I perused the rumors sites before turning in for bed Thursday evening, so I could be wrong or maybe things once stated, were, but have now been changed, BUT, I'm seeing the following...
Friday, March 30, 2007
Apple thrives under Vista onslaught...
By Aidan Malley
Published: 12:00 AM EST
- if that is truely when it was published (12:00 AM EST), does that not make the date Friday, March 30, 2007. I'm confused. What is it that others are seeing and causing them to say "it's not Friday" or "AI shows articles from the future"??? I hate seeing one thing and reading the opposite and I hate being out of the loop! Somebody Help Me!!!
I have to disagree. If someone is looking for a new PC, then they are going to get it. How do Mac sales come into play? Yeah, they all are computers, but they are not the same.
But you are implying that people who are into PC 's would never even CONSIDER buying a Mac, by definition. If that were true, the number of Macs sold wouldn 't be growing.
And if it 's not true, that means that people who were considering buying a Mac might very well stop considering because they think Vista is OK, too.
A consistently strong showing was also the hallmark of the California firm's other core business, the iPod. Apple showed no signs of letting go of its by now well-entrenched marketshare, holding over 73 percent of the music player sales through the early part of the year and growing 30 percent between the same two months in 2006 and 2007. Would-be challengers had to largely be content with taking each other's business, the report noted.
"Would-be challengers..." Hmm, I wonder who THAT would be a reference to?
Apple also took an 8 percent share of this particular market, compared to 6 percent a year ago -- boding especially well for the still modestly sized Mac maker in the face of resurgent competition. Some assumed the company would lose ground to Vista as it had with prior Windows updates.
What "resurgent competition." The whole article is about how poorly the "competition" is doing since Vista. Do you not know what resurgent means or not understand that your article is about?
Also, who assumed Apple would lose ground to Vista? The article you source on this was poorly sourced itself and doesn't really say how Apple would lose ground to Vista.
Finally, what "prior Windows updates" have hurt Apple? XP? XP SP1?
Boo.
But you are implying that people who are into PC 's would never even CONSIDER buying a Mac, by definition. If that were true, the number of Macs sold wouldn 't be growing.
And if it 's not true, that means that people who were considering buying a Mac might very well stop considering because they think Vista is OK, too.
I think the assumption is that the vast majority of people looking to buy a computer aren't considering a Mac. Thus a certain portion is considering it and making the switch, but the rest don't know or don't care what a Mac is.
If someond did a survey at the local Walmart and asked people the question, "What is a Mac?" how many would answer that it was a computer versus how many would say they thought it was a McDonald's sandwich? As much as it would be nice to believe it would be primarily the first choice, chances are it wouldn't be.
Unless I overlooked it, there is no mention of OS X in the article. That said, your average user, and possibly even this "analyst", might think Apple runs Windows as it's only OS. It certainly seems like it is indirectly implied.
Is reading a problem? Or are you saying that they changed it?
First sentence:
An expert at Morgan Stanley has reasoned that of all the major computer makers in play during the release of Windows Vista, the only one to avoid taking a hit in sales was the one company that chose not to run the software at all: Apple.Is reading a problem? Or are you saying that they changed it?
It's a US-based website. They're perfectly entitled to be US-centric.
And no, I'm not a US citizen.
Thank you.
See Ireland, its no so hard.
Thank you.
See Ireland, its no so hard.
We live in a global economy and thanks to the iPod Apple is now a strong global brand. Although Sony was founded 30 years before Apple they have a smaller company value, but and here's the big but, they have many stores in my country and all round Europe. Sure it was only five years ago that Apple opened their first store, but it's about time they stated treating Europe with the same amount of fucus they do America, and for our sake and Apple's they need to start putting stores in other countries besides England. Sure they have plans to do this, but we want to see some action and the quicker that happens the better. The Mac has a presents in America, but not here and Apple stores would change that I'm sure of it, besides I could drive to an Apple store and buy direct which is what we all want in the end.
Sure it was only five years ago that Apple opened their first store, but it's about time they stated treating Europe with the same amount of fucus they do America, and for our sake and Apple's they need to start putting stores in other countries besides England.
There's two in Scotland opening this year. Glasgow in July, Edinburgh later in the year. They're getting around to it gradually.
It's a bit of a pointless article. Apple's extremely unlikely to be affected by the launch of Windows Vista. The Windows and Mac markets operate in parallel rather than in direct competition.
PC Makers in general are still churning out generic products that are as boring as ever. The likes of DELL etc don't really provide any innovation for the PC as a consumer product. The vast majority of PCs still looking and feeling like office or lab equipment rather than genuine finished consumer products.
Only perhaps Sony has any sort of product differnciation.
Apple will continue to grow within its niche in the market as the demand for high end media-centric computers is rising and the PC market still, even with vista, hasn't really addressed this as effectively as apple has.
The growth of high speed broadband and all the movie and audio centric stuff that this creates is always going to benefit apple as that's the market its products are specifically targeting.
There's also no question that the Mac is riding on the success of the iPod, iTunes and probabally the iPhone when it goes more mass-market.
Apparently I have attitude...I'm really just trying to be light-hearted.
But there's no room for humor when we're talking about Windows, I guess...
some people need to take sticks out of their...
BTW everybody, it is really hard to tell inflection or attitude from plain text.
-=|Mgkwho
fair point... I was being a grumpy arse that day....I do apologise