I don't think anyone is suggesting that Apple be excluded from such as lawsuit, only that they should not be singled out when they are clearly not the only ones at fault. In order for this lawsuit to have any legitimacy all the other manufacturers doing this need to be named. Otherwise it's not about justice. It's simply a money grab.
Wow, a lot of very silly posts (as well as good ones). I hardly know where to begin.
1) No company should knowingly advertise false product specifications. Apple has done that. Apple is very well aware of the specifications of the screens they order.
2) Some people in here will defend Apple even when they have been wronged by Apple. There's no arguing with 'brand freaks'.
3) Apple's screens are the same as most other laptop screens.
4) Dithering is an interesting technology which, when applied correctly, can enhance the performance of displays. I would choose a 6-bit display with dithering over a 6-bit display without. Too bad that the dithering is noticeable by some people. It reminds me of the colour wheel issue with DLP projectors.
5) Arguing that other companies do it too is akin to arguing that other people drink drive too. All of them deserve to go down.
6) Anyone who thinks that 18-bit colour (6-bit per channel) yields 16 million or 16.2 million colours needs to brush up their maths. You will get exactly 262,144 colours.
7) LCD technology is NOT behind CRT. You get what you pay for. You can achieve a wider gamut, more detail, higher contrast and less flicker with LCD.
8) I am a pro photographer and I need the MBP to review images in the field where a large monitor would be extremely impractical to set up. Look at any of the forums for high-end digital photographers using $20-30K digital backs (like me) and you'll find that nearly all of them use Macbooks for their work (though not necessarily final proofing).
9) LCD screens do NOT lose 1 bit per year. Who makes up this garbage? Yes, the fluorescent backlights lose intensity over time but the screen remains 18/24 bit. The number of colours which can be displayed doesn't change - only the brightness.
9) Actually the screens do loose the ability to display colors over time. As the fluorescent of the old style LCD gets dimmer, the displayable color gamut shrinks and you distribute the same number of discreet color bins across a narrower gamut. Losing colors.
8) And you think any field work done in whatever lighting you have on hand is considered Final Quality? The laptop is a convenience and productivity tool in the field. If colors are so important that screen dithering not acceptable, then field lighting conditions which engender worse effects on perceived colors are out of the question for final work.
7) For a price $$$$, yes. In comparison, laptop screens are toys or at least just productivity tools for mobility, not final product use when you place that much importance on EXACT color.
6) Ony if you do not accept dithering as acceptable. CMYK has been dithered for decades and it is acceptable on print media, so I do not categorically discount it. Pick the right tool for the right job and don't set up artificial limits for a discussion when comparing tools in and out of their primary domains.
5) It's only an issue in such a narrow high-requirements niche that painting the whole industry with a brush calling a reasonable thing unreasonable is in my view counterproductive and a waste of time. I accept the needs for absolute color correctness. I don't accept under any circumstances that Apple, Dell or anyone else has advertised their laptop screens as being "perfect" for any particular color related task. That is an individual reading way too much into "millions of colors", and professionals are supposed to know better, or at least know how to ask the right questions to get the right answers.
2-4) Right on.
1) Again I will disagree as I accept dithering as a means of displaying a color on a laptop. I'm not in a profession that requires absolute color requirements, but if I was I would be smart enough to know that a laptop screen doesn't have the color gamut to do the job even if it was a true end-to-end non-dithered 8-bit system. I would use the laptop to make my field work better and then do any precision work in controlled conditions on calibrated equipment.
Wow, a lot of very silly posts (as well as good ones). I hardly know where to begin.
1) No company should knowingly advertise false product specifications. Apple has done that. Apple is very well aware of the specifications of the screens they order.
2) Some people in here will defend Apple even when they have been wronged by Apple. There's no arguing with 'brand freaks'.
3) Apple's screens are the same as most other laptop screens.
4) Dithering is an interesting technology which, when applied correctly, can enhance the performance of displays. I would choose a 6-bit display with dithering over a 6-bit display without. Too bad that the dithering is noticeable by some people. It reminds me of the colour wheel issue with DLP projectors.
5) Arguing that other companies do it too is akin to arguing that other people drink drive too. All of them deserve to go down.
You're one of those guys who sue hard-disk manufacturers for cheating you out of your imaginary due, aren't you?
Anybody think that the increasing failures of Mac Books is due to them coming from China?
My college age daughter just had a logic board failure on her Mac Book only after a year and a couple of weeks of use!
Apple customer service was of no help and basically told me because I didn't had the extended care warranty, I was out of luck. I thought Macs were reliable...
Anybody think that the increasing failures of Mac Books is due to them coming from China?
My college age daughter just had a logic board failure on her Mac Book only after a year and a couple of weeks of use!
Apple customer service was of no help and basically told me because I didn't had the extended care warranty, I was out of luck. I thought Macs were reliable...
Their being produced in China has no effect on reliability. These multi-million dollar facilities are pretty sterile and error-free.
Also, just because your daughter had a logic board failure, it doesn't mean that Macs are unreliable. Even if you have experienced 3 out of 4 failures, it still wouldn't prove that Macs are unreliable because a vast majority do not fail. You just got unlucky.
Now, if you want to talk about the iBook logic board failure lawsuit from years ago, then you have a case of massive problems.
Some of you folks need to understand the following facts:
- Most companies advertise their laptops as producing "millions of colors," yet all laptop LCDs, AFAIK, use 6-bit TN panels.
- Since all laptops use relatively cheap TN panels, users shouldn't expect much from them. Do not expect them to compete with a $1000 IPS panel from Eizo or Apple.
- Most series graphic artists finish their products on external, IPS or high quality PVA/MVA panel LCDs, not on their MacBook Pros.
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Wow, a lot of very silly posts (as well as good ones). I hardly know where to begin.
1) No company should knowingly advertise false product specifications. Apple has done that. Apple is very well aware of the specifications of the screens they order.
2) Some people in here will defend Apple even when they have been wronged by Apple. There's no arguing with 'brand freaks'.
3) Apple's screens are the same as most other laptop screens.
4) Dithering is an interesting technology which, when applied correctly, can enhance the performance of displays. I would choose a 6-bit display with dithering over a 6-bit display without. Too bad that the dithering is noticeable by some people. It reminds me of the colour wheel issue with DLP projectors.
5) Arguing that other companies do it too is akin to arguing that other people drink drive too. All of them deserve to go down.
6) Anyone who thinks that 18-bit colour (6-bit per channel) yields 16 million or 16.2 million colours needs to brush up their maths. You will get exactly 262,144 colours.
7) LCD technology is NOT behind CRT. You get what you pay for. You can achieve a wider gamut, more detail, higher contrast and less flicker with LCD.
8) I am a pro photographer and I need the MBP to review images in the field where a large monitor would be extremely impractical to set up. Look at any of the forums for high-end digital photographers using $20-30K digital backs (like me) and you'll find that nearly all of them use Macbooks for their work (though not necessarily final proofing).
9) LCD screens do NOT lose 1 bit per year. Who makes up this garbage? Yes, the fluorescent backlights lose intensity over time but the screen remains 18/24 bit. The number of colours which can be displayed doesn't change - only the brightness.
9) Actually the screens do loose the ability to display colors over time. As the fluorescent of the old style LCD gets dimmer, the displayable color gamut shrinks and you distribute the same number of discreet color bins across a narrower gamut. Losing colors.
8) And you think any field work done in whatever lighting you have on hand is considered Final Quality? The laptop is a convenience and productivity tool in the field. If colors are so important that screen dithering not acceptable, then field lighting conditions which engender worse effects on perceived colors are out of the question for final work.
7) For a price $$$$, yes. In comparison, laptop screens are toys or at least just productivity tools for mobility, not final product use when you place that much importance on EXACT color.
6) Ony if you do not accept dithering as acceptable. CMYK has been dithered for decades and it is acceptable on print media, so I do not categorically discount it. Pick the right tool for the right job and don't set up artificial limits for a discussion when comparing tools in and out of their primary domains.
5) It's only an issue in such a narrow high-requirements niche that painting the whole industry with a brush calling a reasonable thing unreasonable is in my view counterproductive and a waste of time. I accept the needs for absolute color correctness. I don't accept under any circumstances that Apple, Dell or anyone else has advertised their laptop screens as being "perfect" for any particular color related task. That is an individual reading way too much into "millions of colors", and professionals are supposed to know better, or at least know how to ask the right questions to get the right answers.
2-4) Right on.
1) Again I will disagree as I accept dithering as a means of displaying a color on a laptop. I'm not in a profession that requires absolute color requirements, but if I was I would be smart enough to know that a laptop screen doesn't have the color gamut to do the job even if it was a true end-to-end non-dithered 8-bit system. I would use the laptop to make my field work better and then do any precision work in controlled conditions on calibrated equipment.
Wow, a lot of very silly posts (as well as good ones). I hardly know where to begin.
1) No company should knowingly advertise false product specifications. Apple has done that. Apple is very well aware of the specifications of the screens they order.
2) Some people in here will defend Apple even when they have been wronged by Apple. There's no arguing with 'brand freaks'.
3) Apple's screens are the same as most other laptop screens.
4) Dithering is an interesting technology which, when applied correctly, can enhance the performance of displays. I would choose a 6-bit display with dithering over a 6-bit display without. Too bad that the dithering is noticeable by some people. It reminds me of the colour wheel issue with DLP projectors.
5) Arguing that other companies do it too is akin to arguing that other people drink drive too. All of them deserve to go down.
You're one of those guys who sue hard-disk manufacturers for cheating you out of your imaginary due, aren't you?
My college age daughter just had a logic board failure on her Mac Book only after a year and a couple of weeks of use!
Apple customer service was of no help and basically told me because I didn't had the extended care warranty, I was out of luck. I thought Macs were reliable...
Anybody think that the increasing failures of Mac Books is due to them coming from China?
My college age daughter just had a logic board failure on her Mac Book only after a year and a couple of weeks of use!
Apple customer service was of no help and basically told me because I didn't had the extended care warranty, I was out of luck. I thought Macs were reliable...
Their being produced in China has no effect on reliability. These multi-million dollar facilities are pretty sterile and error-free.
Also, just because your daughter had a logic board failure, it doesn't mean that Macs are unreliable. Even if you have experienced 3 out of 4 failures, it still wouldn't prove that Macs are unreliable because a vast majority do not fail. You just got unlucky.
Now, if you want to talk about the iBook logic board failure lawsuit from years ago, then you have a case of massive problems.
- Most companies advertise their laptops as producing "millions of colors," yet all laptop LCDs, AFAIK, use 6-bit TN panels.
- Since all laptops use relatively cheap TN panels, users shouldn't expect much from them. Do not expect them to compete with a $1000 IPS panel from Eizo or Apple.
- Most series graphic artists finish their products on external, IPS or high quality PVA/MVA panel LCDs, not on their MacBook Pros.