Umm. So what? Using an open Wi-Fi access point has been ruled to be illegal - or at least an arrestable "offense". Unauthorized computer use, terrorism, and all that.
I think the days of open WAPs are going to be short lived.
3G covers only 10% of the US, if even. And WiFi is growing a lot faster, and it's faster, and free in a lot of places. That's why the iPhone didn't need it in the US, yet. Europe is a different matter.
Well, I quess it depends on what is meant by 3G then.
My Treo 700p browses at up to 700kbs or higher download speeds. upload is about 15% of that though.
Sprint's coverage with this is pretty well all over the country.
Hold on a sec, don't assume that the iPhone will be an open platform, thats not going to happen while cingular have apple's testicles in their fists. Semi-open maybe, but not open-open!
Having apple test 3rd party applications for security holes and bugs is just an excuse, cingular will Im sure have to give approval behind the scenes also.
Imagine the impact of allowing an application to be developed that enables voip over wifi for example!
The Palm and Windows Mobile platforms are open platforms. There are thousands of programs for them.
Open platform doesn't mean that you can do EVERYTHING.
3G covers only 10% of the US, if even. And WiFi is growing a lot faster, and it's faster, and free in a lot of places. That's why the iPhone didn't need it in the US, yet. Europe is a different matter.
Funny, I get 3G service on Sprint nearly everywhere I travel in US metro cities.
Wifi is rarely free, you have to fork out $10/day at nearly every hotel, Starbucks or airport in the country, which is a huge ripoff. I know, I travel on business throughout the US, all the time! This seems like a ridiculous business model, if indeed Apple/iPhone is depending in wifi for internet functionality. 3G would have been MUCH better IMHO.
Jobs is on crack. Most mobile phone software is written in Java, and there are almost no security issues with Java. I know Jobs has some sort of personal animosity towards Java, but it would be a solid solution here.
Talk about who's on crack!
Yes, there are security issues with Java, and its implementations.
Funny, I get 3G service on Sprint nearly everywhere I travel in US metro cities.
Wifi is rarely free, you have to fork out $10/day at nearly every hotel, Starbucks or airport in the country, which is a huge ripoff. I know, I travel on business throughout the US, all the time! This seems like a ridiculous business model, if indeed Apple/iPhone is depending in wifi for internet functionality. 3G would have been MUCH better IMHO.
It costs money?
No serious. How much does starbucks cost to get online from their coffee tables?
Jobs simply confirmed what everybody already knew: the iPhone will eventually be an open platform.
Also, what's with all the Lane Bryant ads for women's clothing. I highly doubt there's a lot of women on this site. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Absolutely right! Those unsightly behemoths were getting on my nerves, too. I had to refresh the page 3 or 4 times, before giving up and clicking ahead to the Comments just to avoid being tortured by their appalling corpulent carcasses.
Jobs is on crack. Most mobile phone software is written in Java, and there are almost no security issues with Java. I know Jobs has some sort of personal animosity towards Java, but it would be a solid solution here.
In the early days of Mac OS Apple believed the hype and tried to move/bridge all their frameworks to Java. They actually moved WebObjects and Enterprise Objects framework (EOF), now they are Java only. But they recognized this move as a mistake and all new frameworks - CoreData, CoreImage, CoreAnimation, QTKit etc. - are Objective C only. There are 3 (related) problems here: 1) Java is a third party development and they can not optimize it the way they want, 2) It lacks the level of C and UNIX integration Objective C has (performance issues), and, most importantly, 3) the HUGE advantage of the iPhone is that it is a Mac OS X based device. Making it just another Java toy would change the game entirely!
Note that Windows Mobile shares the same name with Windows (XP, Vista), bit it is entirely different platform.
I spent 2 years writing enterprise class logistics applications in Java and WebObjects. I can assure you that there are plenty of security vulnerabilities with Java applications. Yes most phone applications are written in Java, but then again, most mobile phone applications are crap!
Funny, I get 3G service on Sprint nearly everywhere I travel in US metro cities.
Wifi is rarely free, you have to fork out $10/day at nearly every hotel, Starbucks or airport in the country, which is a huge ripoff. I know, I travel on business throughout the US, all the time! This seems like a ridiculous business model, if indeed Apple/iPhone is depending in wifi for internet functionality. 3G would have been MUCH better IMHO.
Odd, I can't recall ever paying for WiFi when traveling. Find a Panera, Bear Rock Cafe, or most any local indy coffee shop. Voila. Free WiFi.
Google for WiFi finder lists, and you'll find that anyone who pays for WiFi is pretty much getting ripped off.
In my estimation, if I get an iPhone, 90% of the data transfer will be over WiFi, based on where I spend my time.
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Umm. So what? Using an open Wi-Fi access point has been ruled to be illegal - or at least an arrestable "offense". Unauthorized computer use, terrorism, and all that.
I think the days of open WAPs are going to be short lived.
- Jasen.
appleinsider looks okay on a wm phone. about the same as every other vbulletin site on an wm phone.
well, i guess you and I have different expectations about what is "okay".
Girls are smelly
How old are you, boy -- 12? Do your parents know that you're posting on an online forum, or don't they care?
Jobs is on crack. Most mobile phone software is written in Java, and there are almost no security issues with Java.
I cannot find them now. But I've read a couple of articles describing how Cocoa is a far superior development platform than Java.
I don't know what's to blame but there are also plenty of reports of phones being hacked.
3G covers only 10% of the US, if even. And WiFi is growing a lot faster, and it's faster, and free in a lot of places. That's why the iPhone didn't need it in the US, yet. Europe is a different matter.
Well, I quess it depends on what is meant by 3G then.
My Treo 700p browses at up to 700kbs or higher download speeds. upload is about 15% of that though.
Sprint's coverage with this is pretty well all over the country.
Hold on a sec, don't assume that the iPhone will be an open platform, thats not going to happen while cingular have apple's testicles in their fists. Semi-open maybe, but not open-open!
Having apple test 3rd party applications for security holes and bugs is just an excuse, cingular will Im sure have to give approval behind the scenes also.
Imagine the impact of allowing an application to be developed that enables voip over wifi for example!
The Palm and Windows Mobile platforms are open platforms. There are thousands of programs for them.
Open platform doesn't mean that you can do EVERYTHING.
3G covers only 10% of the US, if even. And WiFi is growing a lot faster, and it's faster, and free in a lot of places. That's why the iPhone didn't need it in the US, yet. Europe is a different matter.
Funny, I get 3G service on Sprint nearly everywhere I travel in US metro cities.
Wifi is rarely free, you have to fork out $10/day at nearly every hotel, Starbucks or airport in the country, which is a huge ripoff. I know, I travel on business throughout the US, all the time! This seems like a ridiculous business model, if indeed Apple/iPhone is depending in wifi for internet functionality. 3G would have been MUCH better IMHO.
Jobs is on crack. Most mobile phone software is written in Java, and there are almost no security issues with Java. I know Jobs has some sort of personal animosity towards Java, but it would be a solid solution here.
Talk about who's on crack!
Yes, there are security issues with Java, and its implementations.
Just ask Apple, they will point you to theirs.
Funny, I get 3G service on Sprint nearly everywhere I travel in US metro cities.
Wifi is rarely free, you have to fork out $10/day at nearly every hotel, Starbucks or airport in the country, which is a huge ripoff. I know, I travel on business throughout the US, all the time! This seems like a ridiculous business model, if indeed Apple/iPhone is depending in wifi for internet functionality. 3G would have been MUCH better IMHO.
It costs money?
No serious. How much does starbucks cost to get online from their coffee tables?
Girls are smelly
You're from Ireland, and you say that?
I cannot find them now. But I've read a couple of articles describing how Cocoa is a far superior development platform than Java.
I don't know what's to blame but there are also plenty of reports of phones being hacked.
Bluetooth is a wonderful gateway for hackers.
Jobs simply confirmed what everybody already knew: the iPhone will eventually be an open platform.
Also, what's with all the Lane Bryant ads for women's clothing. I highly doubt there's a lot of women on this site. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Absolutely right! Those unsightly behemoths were getting on my nerves, too. I had to refresh the page 3 or 4 times, before giving up and clicking ahead to the Comments just to avoid being tortured by their appalling corpulent carcasses.
(For topic's sake..) Go iPhone! can't wait.
You're from Ireland, and you say that?
They're extra smelly over here
Jobs is on crack. Most mobile phone software is written in Java, and there are almost no security issues with Java. I know Jobs has some sort of personal animosity towards Java, but it would be a solid solution here.
In the early days of Mac OS Apple believed the hype and tried to move/bridge all their frameworks to Java. They actually moved WebObjects and Enterprise Objects framework (EOF), now they are Java only. But they recognized this move as a mistake and all new frameworks - CoreData, CoreImage, CoreAnimation, QTKit etc. - are Objective C only. There are 3 (related) problems here: 1) Java is a third party development and they can not optimize it the way they want, 2) It lacks the level of C and UNIX integration Objective C has (performance issues), and, most importantly, 3) the HUGE advantage of the iPhone is that it is a Mac OS X based device. Making it just another Java toy would change the game entirely!
Note that Windows Mobile shares the same name with Windows (XP, Vista), bit it is entirely different platform.
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Funny, I get 3G service on Sprint nearly everywhere I travel in US metro cities.
Wifi is rarely free, you have to fork out $10/day at nearly every hotel, Starbucks or airport in the country, which is a huge ripoff. I know, I travel on business throughout the US, all the time! This seems like a ridiculous business model, if indeed Apple/iPhone is depending in wifi for internet functionality. 3G would have been MUCH better IMHO.
Odd, I can't recall ever paying for WiFi when traveling. Find a Panera, Bear Rock Cafe, or most any local indy coffee shop. Voila. Free WiFi.
Google for WiFi finder lists, and you'll find that anyone who pays for WiFi is pretty much getting ripped off.
In my estimation, if I get an iPhone, 90% of the data transfer will be over WiFi, based on where I spend my time.