Obviously this news story has been all over, I've been reading comments from a bunch of web sites the last few weeks (engadget, TUAW, digg, gizmodo, etc).
I cannot believe how many people are bitching about the iPhone- it's insane! I would have to say, it's much worse than the worst (I'm thinking PS3 here)...
It's insane- people have such ridiculous expectations, false information about specs and features, etc. It's almost to the point where I don't want to read comments until we know all about the device (will we ever?).
Seriously, stop bitching about something 99.9% of people on earth haven't experienced. Wait until you actually use one, then you can bitch about how bad the battery life is, how sucky the OS is, the crappy built in applications, low memory, unresponsive touch-screen, pain in the ass touch keyboard, etc.
I felt like I could vent on this board and maybe people here would understand...
Seriously, stop bitching about something 99.9% of people on earth haven't experienced.
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
I hear the Chinese factory workers are pissed it doesn't have removable battery.......
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
You know whats funny? I thought about that while writing, but didn't feel like taking the time to figure it out- thanks!
The inability of a removable battery is my only real sore point about the phone.
Other than that, I like it.
Was listening to the Your Mac Life Show earlier today (last weeks show) and it mentioned people have the phone for review but are not allowed to post reviews until June 26 or after.
The inability of a removable battery is my only real sore point about the phone.
Other than that, I like it.
Was listening to the Your Mac Life Show earlier today (last weeks show) and it mentioned people have the phone for review but are not allowed to post reviews until June 26 or after.
I'm with you on this one. I really don't think they are switching it up two weeks before they go on sale. It seems impossible that there would be a sudden change to production in China as there wold be no way to get them finished, shipped to the US and then reshipped to stores in time for the 29th. There should be millions stockpiled in warehouses ready to be shipped to local stores.
Is there anyway to tell if the ones seen in public have a plastic or glass screen?
This is not how manufacturing works these days. Companies that want to make money are all about reducing the amount of time that product sits in warehouses. For many companies, lean manufacturing has reached such a level that they never store any product but have it produced for exactly the time when it needs to be picked up. IIRC there was something here on AI a few weeks ago about Apple winning an award in this area...
On the other hand, it would be necessary to have orders in for raw materials, and components might be being accumulated before-hand; also the manufacturing processes have to be designed and the facilities prepared, so I do agree that this is not actually a design change that has taken place in the last few weeks. Given the purported (and I think reasonable) time that the iPhone has been in design, when I say "down to the wire," I mean in the past several months. That is still very close to the launch date for there to be this kind of major change in the end design.
As far as the battery life is concerned, would they have deliberately put out falsely low estimates before? No. Maybe underestimated to be on the safe side, but I don't think 3 hrs is just underestimation, especially given the fact that the few tests of prototypes that we've heard of (e.g. Shaw Wu's "sources") seem to match this spec closely. I would guess that software optimization resulted in the new longer talk times...
At this point, it's pretty certain that the hardware is finalized unless there is some major flaw discovered in the next few days (highly unlikely!). The software is probably still being worked on until the day of release and even beyond that.
Still 11 days to release. The attention span of the media is about 5 days. We should see at least 2 more "Newsworthy" events that will bump iPhone to the top of the Tech News lists. I expect that one of the news items will be Reduced Instruction Set "Voice Control". If they've really done the collaboration with AT&T the way they say they have, expect to see the announcement of using AT&T Voice Recognition Back End Servers. In other words, the phone doesn't have to do it, some massive hive does it. Real 98% accurate speech to text dictation. This will be a premium package.
From the Basement of the Science Building.
What will you do if we don't have two more "newsworthy items" in the next two weeks? You seem to be very certain of Apple PR strategy. For my part, I would think the media manipulation is a very dangerous game to play on such a low level as when certain individual features will be announced. For example, what if the media had seized on the low battery life and made it such a big deal that the negative image concerning the iPhone was so widespread that a later change would not be able to erase that public image?
The lateness of this announcement is probably just the result of final QC studies being conducted on manufacturable phone prototypes to ensure that they are able to deliver on whatever they announce and also some public relations skills. If they had known these things in January, I think they would have announced them at MacWorld. If, however, the glass design was finalized in, say, march and they knew they would be able to get the increase in battery life around that time as well, they might have held off on the announcement until closer to the release date.
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
100.0%-99.9%=.1%≠.01%
In other words, 6.5 million people, an even remoter possibility that 650,000.
It is pretty funny that Apple announces its using glass instead of plastic, because the glass is more durable. And people still complain that glass will scratch or crack.
This is not how manufacturing works these days. Companies that want to make money are all about reducing the amount of time that product sits in warehouses.
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100.0%-99.9%=.1%≠.01%
In other words, 6.5 million people, an even remoter possibility that 650,000.
Sorry, I couldn't resist....
You have me on both counts.... but in my defense, your comments do nothing but strengthen my arguments.
It is pretty funny that Apple announces its using glass instead of plastic, because the glass is more durable. And people still complain that glass will scratch or crack.
Why doesnt apple make the damn screen out of at least clear titanium or diamond !!! \\
As far as the battery life is concerned, would they have deliberately put out falsely low estimates before? No. Maybe underestimated to be on the safe side, but I don't think 3 hrs is just underestimation, especially given the fact that the few tests of prototypes that we've heard of (e.g. Shaw Wu's "sources") seem to match this spec closely. I would guess that software optimization resulted in the new longer talk times...
Software optimization can't give that much of an improvement.
For talk times that would have resulted in a 60% improvement.
For music play it would be 50%, etc.
That's too much of an overall change to be due to software.
Apple has been known to use batteries that are less than the highest capacity for their iPods.
This has been proven by looking at the replacements available from other companies. Often, they have run times that are between 30 and 50% longer than the ones supplied by Apple as original equipment.
I believe that this time, Apple was concerned about the complaints about there not being a replaceable battery, and did the best they could without changing the design.
It is pretty funny that Apple announces its using glass instead of plastic, because the glass is more durable. And people still complain that glass will scratch or crack.
They could have used diamond coated glass. That's been around for a while, and isn't that expensive. The layer is only about 0.00004 inch, and is durable. It's applied by a gas evaporation method at low temperature.
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Obviously this news story has been all over, I've been reading comments from a bunch of web sites the last few weeks (engadget, TUAW, digg, gizmodo, etc).
I cannot believe how many people are bitching about the iPhone- it's insane! I would have to say, it's much worse than the worst (I'm thinking PS3 here)...
It's insane- people have such ridiculous expectations, false information about specs and features, etc. It's almost to the point where I don't want to read comments until we know all about the device (will we ever?).
Seriously, stop bitching about something 99.9% of people on earth haven't experienced. Wait until you actually use one, then you can bitch about how bad the battery life is, how sucky the OS is, the crappy built in applications, low memory, unresponsive touch-screen, pain in the ass touch keyboard, etc.
I felt like I could vent on this board and maybe people here would understand...
//end rant.
Seriously, stop bitching about something 99.9% of people on earth haven't experienced.
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
I hear the Chinese factory workers are pissed it doesn't have removable battery.......
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
You know whats funny? I thought about that while writing, but didn't feel like taking the time to figure it out- thanks!
99.99997%
Other than that, I like it.
Was listening to the Your Mac Life Show earlier today (last weeks show) and it mentioned people have the phone for review but are not allowed to post reviews until June 26 or after.
The inability of a removable battery is my only real sore point about the phone.
Other than that, I like it.
Was listening to the Your Mac Life Show earlier today (last weeks show) and it mentioned people have the phone for review but are not allowed to post reviews until June 26 or after.
You Chinese factory workers, you're incorrigible.
I hear the Chinese factory workers are pissed it doesn't have removable battery.......
I read that they are pissed that it only has a 2MP camera.
I'm with you on this one. I really don't think they are switching it up two weeks before they go on sale. It seems impossible that there would be a sudden change to production in China as there wold be no way to get them finished, shipped to the US and then reshipped to stores in time for the 29th. There should be millions stockpiled in warehouses ready to be shipped to local stores.
Is there anyway to tell if the ones seen in public have a plastic or glass screen?
This is not how manufacturing works these days. Companies that want to make money are all about reducing the amount of time that product sits in warehouses. For many companies, lean manufacturing has reached such a level that they never store any product but have it produced for exactly the time when it needs to be picked up. IIRC there was something here on AI a few weeks ago about Apple winning an award in this area...
On the other hand, it would be necessary to have orders in for raw materials, and components might be being accumulated before-hand; also the manufacturing processes have to be designed and the facilities prepared, so I do agree that this is not actually a design change that has taken place in the last few weeks. Given the purported (and I think reasonable) time that the iPhone has been in design, when I say "down to the wire," I mean in the past several months. That is still very close to the launch date for there to be this kind of major change in the end design.
As far as the battery life is concerned, would they have deliberately put out falsely low estimates before? No. Maybe underestimated to be on the safe side, but I don't think 3 hrs is just underestimation, especially given the fact that the few tests of prototypes that we've heard of (e.g. Shaw Wu's "sources") seem to match this spec closely. I would guess that software optimization resulted in the new longer talk times...
At this point, it's pretty certain that the hardware is finalized unless there is some major flaw discovered in the next few days (highly unlikely!). The software is probably still being worked on until the day of release and even beyond that.
Still 11 days to release. The attention span of the media is about 5 days. We should see at least 2 more "Newsworthy" events that will bump iPhone to the top of the Tech News lists. I expect that one of the news items will be Reduced Instruction Set "Voice Control". If they've really done the collaboration with AT&T the way they say they have, expect to see the announcement of using AT&T Voice Recognition Back End Servers. In other words, the phone doesn't have to do it, some massive hive does it. Real 98% accurate speech to text dictation. This will be a premium package.
From the Basement of the Science Building.
What will you do if we don't have two more "newsworthy items" in the next two weeks? You seem to be very certain of Apple PR strategy. For my part, I would think the media manipulation is a very dangerous game to play on such a low level as when certain individual features will be announced. For example, what if the media had seized on the low battery life and made it such a big deal that the negative image concerning the iPhone was so widespread that a later change would not be able to erase that public image?
The lateness of this announcement is probably just the result of final QC studies being conducted on manufacturable phone prototypes to ensure that they are able to deliver on whatever they announce and also some public relations skills. If they had known these things in January, I think they would have announced them at MacWorld. If, however, the glass design was finalized in, say, march and they knew they would be able to get the increase in battery life around that time as well, they might have held off on the announcement until closer to the release date.
The inability of a removable battery is my only real sore point about the phone.
Other than that, I like it.
With approx. 6.5 billon people in the world, .01% would be 650,000 people have experienced the iPhone firsthand. I'd say it's more like .00003% or around 2000 people, including the engineers and the Chinese working in the factories.
100.0%-99.9%=.1%≠.01%
In other words, 6.5 million people, an even remoter possibility that 650,000.
Sorry, I couldn't resist....
Ain't it funny how countries we "liberate" promptly descend into crime and civil war-Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. ?
Countries the "violent Islamists" subjugate end up peaceful, crime-free, and self-sustaining-Somalia,Afghanistan pre-U.S.
?
When was Afghanistan last peaceful, crime-free? Certainly not under Taliban rule.
This is not how manufacturing works these days. Companies that want to make money are all about reducing the amount of time that product sits in warehouses.
100.0%-99.9%=.1%≠.01%
In other words, 6.5 million people, an even remoter possibility that 650,000.
Sorry, I couldn't resist....
You have me on both counts.... but in my defense, your comments do nothing but strengthen my arguments.
It is pretty funny that Apple announces its using glass instead of plastic, because the glass is more durable. And people still complain that glass will scratch or crack.
Why doesnt apple make the damn screen out of at least clear titanium or diamond !!!
Now i cant use my iphone a cutting board!!!!!
You have me on both counts.... but in my defense, your comments do nothing but strengthen my arguments.
true, true...
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When was Afghanistan last peaceful, crime-free? Certainly not under Taliban rule.
I disagree, based on my personal experience there. But this is hardly the thread to discuss that issue in....
As far as the battery life is concerned, would they have deliberately put out falsely low estimates before? No. Maybe underestimated to be on the safe side, but I don't think 3 hrs is just underestimation, especially given the fact that the few tests of prototypes that we've heard of (e.g. Shaw Wu's "sources") seem to match this spec closely. I would guess that software optimization resulted in the new longer talk times...
Software optimization can't give that much of an improvement.
For talk times that would have resulted in a 60% improvement.
For music play it would be 50%, etc.
That's too much of an overall change to be due to software.
Apple has been known to use batteries that are less than the highest capacity for their iPods.
This has been proven by looking at the replacements available from other companies. Often, they have run times that are between 30 and 50% longer than the ones supplied by Apple as original equipment.
I believe that this time, Apple was concerned about the complaints about there not being a replaceable battery, and did the best they could without changing the design.
Your signature:
When was Afghanistan last peaceful, crime-free? Certainly not under Taliban rule.
I was waiting for someone to open that can of worms. Poppies are big business.
It is pretty funny that Apple announces its using glass instead of plastic, because the glass is more durable. And people still complain that glass will scratch or crack.
They could have used diamond coated glass. That's been around for a while, and isn't that expensive. The layer is only about 0.00004 inch, and is durable. It's applied by a gas evaporation method at low temperature.
It also adds strength.