AppleTV won't have optical drive. Steve and Apple in few statements said that the future is download content.[/QUOTE]
Sure that's the future, but what about all the optical media people have. At the very least an optical drive is neccesary so that the content can be ripped onto your hdd. But most people would rather just be able to drop it into an ATV with a optical drive built in. I know I would. If Applewish to dominate the living room, home theatre area they have to have an optical drive built into the ATV. It's just a small niche product without it. I don't think DVD is the way to go, I would rather have blue ray but it's got to have something.
I am still waiting for that Apple Televisions that Ireland predict months back. Where are they?
I'm confident it's going to happen, you'll see. It makes a lot of sense. Since I never gave a time frame, I'm still technically not wrong, so I don't see why you are laughing. Don't worry, I wont gloat too much when it happens.
I agree with everything you said. The thing is AppleTv is geared towards a new model that Apple see as the future of TV, Download content. Yes, is years down the road to get that HDTV content at fast speeds etc. But eventually will happen. Apple will add Blu-ray support on their Macs. But I doubt it on AppleTV.
It's funny, you say you agree with him, but you are actually disagreeing with him.
Sure that's the future, but what about all the optical media people have. At the very least an optical drive is neccesary so that the content can be ripped onto your hdd. But most people would rather just be able to drop it into an ATV with a optical drive built in. I know I would. If Applewish to dominate the living room, home theatre area they have to have an optical drive built into the ATV. It's just a small niche product without it. I don't think DVD is the way to go, I would rather have blue ray but it's got to have something.
I'm confident it's going to happen, you'll see. It makes a lot of sense. Since I never gave a time frame, I'm still technically not wrong, so I don't see why you are laughing. Don't worry, I wont gloat too much when it happens.
it makes a lot of sense to you. wishful thinking my friend.
I wish and also would love a 20" MBP, but I highly doubt Apple will make it. I wish a media center with DVD, Blu-ray player, DVR, huge storage, front-row, remote, etc.... But it won't happen, just trying to be realistic.
It just a matter to look at Apple direction in the latest announcements. It doesn't make sense to add a blu-ray player on the AppleTV, because they are focusing on downloads. But I know you want it all together so it can please you. Then you badly want all of this inside an Apple television so it can please you again.
Anyway, my point is that Apple has a direction and it seems to be very clear. They called the AppleTV the VCR of the 21 century, their main focus will be downloads by iTunes store. I think AppleTV will evolve in something much bigger down the road when download 1920x1080 movies will be fast and the availability of HD content will be much bigger. Now they are moving baby steps in that direction. Apple keep referring the Mac as the hub of your entertainment life, the AppleTV is a bridge to close that gap to your entertainment set-up.
Then Apple television coming, hum maybe, but why in a saturate market with amazing HD sets out there, plus a market without huge margins of profit. Not sure if that is part of their master plan. More interesting is to sell AppleTVs to all kinds of entertainment set ups out there than an AIO solution.
My 2 cents buddy!
So let's keep wishful thinking my friend. It's fun, I agree.
The big question is that of quality of video. TV and movie downloads barely work in Standard Definition if you have good broadband. That is why it makes sense to buy a physical BR-DVD or HD-DVD disc for the near future. A physical disc offers a superior product. Not as convenient as downloads, but markedly superior.
Also to rip all my DVDs would fill up a good size RAID system and those systems aren't cheap. To rip HD content would take even more room. So I do not see online quality video distribution and home digital storage working well for the forseeable future.
Now for low res online video, yes it is here now and works well. There are many types of video that I really do not need great quality. For most news, sports, and funny clips, HD is not really needed. It would be nice, but not essential - at least in my opinion. But I feel movies are a different animal. I want quality with movies.
Online music distribution works well because the files are small enough that people can browse, sample, and download. But nobody is doing that successfully with HD video content. Thus Blue Ray/HD-DVD is the best way to go for the foreseeable future. Apple should not ignore these players and they need to get one into their ATV.
visionary says this. Note he says: "Apple should not ignore these players and they need to get one into their ATV."
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Originally Posted by gugy
Visionary,
I agree with everything you said. The thing is AppleTv is geared towards a new model that Apple see as the future of TV, Download content. Yes, is years down the road to get that HDTV content at fast speeds etc. But eventually will happen.
Apple will add Blu-ray support on their Macs. But I doubt it on AppleTV.
you say this. Note you did say; "I agree with everything you said." I went to the trouble of looking up the word 'everything' in the dictionary, just to be sure. It says; 'all things'.
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Originally Posted by gugy
Thanks for being sarcastic.
What I am saying is that everything ha said is right until the last sentence. Maybe you need to improve you reading comprehension.
you say this. Note: you are saying now that you don't agree with his last sentence in his first comment, but you never said that before.
I can't read minds, and I did read it correctly. You said you agree with everything he said, and he did say; ""Apple should not ignore these players and they need to get one into their ATV." I think you are the one who should proof-read their comments.
it makes a lot of sense to you. wishful thinking my friend.
I wish and also would love a 20" MBP, but I highly doubt Apple will make it.
Stop right there.
What planet are you from?
How in the name of whatever God you do or don't believe in does a 20" Apple notebook make any sense? Any sense in the world whatsoever? It completely defeats the purpose of it being a mobile computer. I'd say Dell will shift about 1000 of those things they make in that product's life cycle, not many more, it's surly cost them a lot of wasted R&D.
I'll tell you why Apple making a TV makes sense:
one device
one remote
Apple Style
Apple ease-of-use
Apple integration
Apple quality of build
fits in significantly with their overall product strategy
makes logical sense
TV's are the most expensive consumer electronics device in the home, and Apple doesn't yet make them
is something Apple already has 99% of the technical know-how to build
people would want the product
Apple changes their name, publicly, bringing attention to the removal of the computer part
Apple selling movies, duh, hello!
Apple wanting us to connect our computers to our TV's, with a box they sell!
all-in-one
ultimate entertainment plug-and-play
rumors of Apple getting into the movie rental business
How much more convincing does one require!? It's. Just. Plain. Obvious.
You see you want proof, but that can only happen when the product arrives. And when it does you'll get your proof.
You still not answering why a Blu-ray on AppleTV and why an Apple television will make any sense.
My point again is for you to give me a good reason why Apple will make these products. So far your explanations seems more your desires than any logical reason.
By the way, as a designer a 20" MBP will be sweat on the road.
You tell me you want Blu-ray on AppleTv. Apple is selling download movies, why in the hell they will add Blu-ray, if they want you to buy downloads from iTunes? Yes, blu-ray will be probably soon on a Mac, but not AppleTV. Why put a competitor format on a device used to stream movies that you buy at iTunes. In the Mac makes sense because people can author Blu-ray DVDs or rip then if they want (if actually you can do that).
Apple Television. Ok, why have AIO in a device according to you the most expensive (HDTV) and then in a year or two AppleTV is upgrade and you are stuck with an old model of AppleTV in a Thousand of Dollars HDTV set? As far as I know people tend to keep their TVs longer than they upgrade computers.
Why would Apple join a segment of HDTV, a market that has low margin profits, huge competition and amazing quality displays out there? (remember, Apple loves to join markets that they feel they can improve the consumer experience. Like cell phones and mp3 players) As far as I know, HDTV sets are not the case.
You also say that Apple has huge know how on building TV's, Is that correct or I am misreading you? As far as I know Apple only make ACD, they are computer monitors, not TV's. So Why spend tons of R&D money on HDTV sets to improve something that is already great? Take a look at the latest Pioneer plasmas and LCD's HDTV sets. They are great.
You still not answering why a Blu-ray on AppleTV and why an Apple television will make any sense.
As far as a Blu-ray in the Apple TV is concerned, if you read all my posts in this thread you will see I'm well aware of the technical and economical hurdles that need to be overcome before it could happen. My real point was that Apple TV needs a slot, to play ones DVD's. Having one, slim device under the TV (not two), that's capable of playing my old media (my DVD's) out of the box, and yet also gives me the ability to take advantage of streaming my content from my computer, and downloading future content onto it to play back on the TV is great, just great. And it'd actually be useful too.
The whole point about the Blu-ray slot was that with the current bandwidth and download speed constraints, downloading HD content to is a pain in the butt, and as slow as hell. People could buy Blu-ray movies, play them on that Apple device, and when the time comes where the bandwidth and speeds are fast enough, they can use the same device to download to own, or possibly download to rent high-def content from the iTunes store. And Apple still makes their money on the hardware either way. It's about appealing to more people, and Blu-Ray drives can play regular DVD's too. As for right now, a plain old DVD slot will have to do, and it's one more excuse for people to want to buy the otherwise niche product.
Well if that was the case, then AppleTV would have DVD optical drive now, but it doesn't so this arguments are flawed.
Once again, Apple will not have another competitor media device(blu-ray, HD-DVD, DVD, whatever) on a device that is helping then selling their iTunes content.
As far as Apple Television, I am not sure any of your arguments respond the issues I have asked you on earlier my post.
You also say that Apple has huge know how on building TV's, Is that correct or I am misreading you?
Apple makes displays. Apple makes speakers. TV's are just that thing in a different box. Sure, they are a different animal, but in the end it does give them a head start into the market if they had no knowledge at all. Heck if Dell can make a TV, so can Apple.
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Originally Posted by gugy;
So Why spend tons of R&D money on HDTV sets to improve something that is already great? Take a look at the latest Pioneer plasmas and LCD's HDTV sets. They are great.
Well judging by all the rumors of Apple researching large display technologies, meaning TV's, as described in the AI article a while back, they are spending the R&D money.
Saying TV's are already great is subjective. You could say the same thing about iPod speakers, and look what happened there. And being a movie and cinema buff, and technology nutt, I can put my hand on heart and say there are no great LCD's out there, none. Plasmas are a different matter. Panny and Pioneer make great Plasmas, they are very expensive too, and be sure Apple was a share of that money.
The thing you fail to realize though, is that Apple's TV would have one remote, they'd likely be way easier to use, and they'd likely have a tiny manual and a UI that looks like something from this century. That's what I'm talking about. And they'd like to be slimmer and sexier than anything else out there.
Well if that was the case, then AppleTV would have DVD optical drive now, but it doesn't so this arguments are flawed.
LOL, we are talking about the same company here are we? Well if that was the case then why didn't they just make the 5th gen iPod first, and bring out the 160GB ATV at the same time they released the measly 40GB one, you know, the one that only has 32GB of storage. The same company that said video on the iPod would be a stupid idea, people don't want to carry around videos.
The only thing an Apple TV has currently, that an regular iPod with a TV connection doesn't have, is the ability to watch live movie trailers, and a TV orientated UI. Giving it a DVD slot would make the device useful to normal people. It wouldn't be niche then.
Apple makes displays. Apple makes speakers. TV's are just that thing in a different box. Sure, they are a different animal, but in the end it does give them a head start into the market if they had no knowledge at all. Heck if Dell can make a TV, so can Apple.
Well judging by all the rumors of Apple researching large display technologies, meaning TV's, as described in the AI article a while back, they are spending the R&D money.
Saying TV's are already great is subjective. You could say the same thing about iPod speakers, and look what happened there. And being a movie and cinema buff, and technology nutt, I can put my hand on heart and say there are no great LCD's out there, none. Plasmas are a different matter. Panny and Pioneer make great Plasmas, they are very expensive too, and be sure Apple was a share of that money.
The thing you fail to realize though, is that Apple's TV would have one remote, they'd likely be way easier to use, and they'd likely have a tiny manual and a UI that looks like something from this century. That's what I'm talking about. And they'd like to be slimmer and sexier than anything else out there.
So what slimmer and sexier. there are tons of cool looking HDTV sets out there.
But now you like so much AIO, so then how would you sell a $5k or more hi end HDTV set with an AppleTV built-in and in a matter of couple of years, they upgrade the AppleTV for something much cooler and here am I with an amazing HDTV set and with and old tech AppleTV. I would be not happy.
AIO for large, expensive hi-end HDTV sets is not a good idea. Maybe for a low-end cheap tv set. if this is what you want then you might get it. but according to you as a movie buff, I would expect you want the best.
LOL, we are talking about the same company here are we? Well if that was the case then why didn't they just make the 5th gen iPod first, and bring out the 160GB ATV at the same time they released the measly 40GB one, you know, the one that only has 32GB of storage. The same company that said video on the iPod would be a stupid idea, people don't want to carry around videos.
The only thing an Apple TV has currently, that an regular iPod with a TV connection doesn't have, is the ability to watch live movie trailers, and a TV orientated UI. Giving it a DVD slot would make the device useful to normal people. It wouldn't be niche then.
That doesn't make sense. what are you talking?
DVD are higher quality than iTunes downloads. You told me that blu-ray would be great because it would help consumer get hi-res content without getting the hassle of download speeds. Sure iTunes content are closer to resolution of DVD than Blu-ray, but the concept is the same.
again, blu-ray is a competitor for iTunes content. Steve rather have people buy his content than make easy to use blu-ray or DVD. That's why he did not put DVD on the current AppleTV, that's why he did not provide a DVR solution as well. Yes, I agree, I would love to have all on the same device, but he wants people to buy iTunes content.
DVD are higher quality than iTunes downloads. You told me that blu-ray would be great because it would help consumer get hi-res content without getting the hassle of download speeds. Sure iTunes content are closer to resolution of DVD than Blu-ray, but the concept is the same.
again, blu-ray is a competitor for iTunes content. Steve rather have people buy his content than make easy to use blu-ray or DVD. That's why he did not put DVD on the current AppleTV, that's why he did not provide a DVR solution as well. Yes, I agree, I would love to have all on the same device, but he wants people to buy iTunes content.
You just don't get it.
Apple could sell millions of these things if it could play peoples DVD's, it's not hard to understand. Without a DVD slot, right now it's just a fancy media streamer, they'll be very lucky to sell over two million of them. When we get to a point that downloading makes more sense than physical disks, then you'd have half a point, but even at that people would still need an additional device taking up space in their set-up to play their DVD's. Right now, and in the future putting a DVD slot in the device just makes sense, it's that simple.
More people are starting to choose downloading music over buying CD's now cause it makes more sense. Yet they still have the option of doing the latter, their computer have that drive to play and rip that content. They choose to download cause it's quicker, easier, and more efficient. The same would be true for Apple TV at a point, even if it could play regular old disks too. Downloading movies over using DVD's doesn't make sense right now, we're just not there yet, infrastructure-wise or content-wise. And in the mean time, Apple aint selling many Apple TV's.
I can't spell it out any clearer than that. If you don't think I have a point here then I just think your not listening. Hell I may just make this post into a poll just to see who agrees with me.
Apple is here to sell iTunes content. If they really wanted to make life easier to all of us. We would have DVR and DVD and possibly blu-ray on AppleTV by now. we don't. so Apple's strategy is to sell downloads at this point.
Apple said that iTunes is the VCR of the new century. So it's clear to me that they will not pursue DVD or Blu-ray on the same device. Download is the king on Apple's strategy for AppleTV.
Hey I am with you on this one. Remember my wishsful thinking device that would do it all, but Apple will not make it.
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AppleTV won't have optical drive. Steve and Apple in few statements said that the future is download content.[/QUOTE]
Sure that's the future, but what about all the optical media people have. At the very least an optical drive is neccesary so that the content can be ripped onto your hdd. But most people would rather just be able to drop it into an ATV with a optical drive built in. I know I would. If Applewish to dominate the living room, home theatre area they have to have an optical drive built into the ATV. It's just a small niche product without it. I don't think DVD is the way to go, I would rather have blue ray but it's got to have something.
I am still waiting for that Apple Televisions that Ireland predict months back. Where are they?
I'm confident it's going to happen, you'll see. It makes a lot of sense. Since I never gave a time frame, I'm still technically not wrong, so I don't see why you are laughing. Don't worry, I wont gloat too much when it happens.
Visionary,
I agree with everything you said. The thing is AppleTv is geared towards a new model that Apple see as the future of TV, Download content. Yes, is years down the road to get that HDTV content at fast speeds etc. But eventually will happen. Apple will add Blu-ray support on their Macs. But I doubt it on AppleTV.
It's funny, you say you agree with him, but you are actually disagreeing with him.
Sure that's the future, but what about all the optical media people have. At the very least an optical drive is neccesary so that the content can be ripped onto your hdd. But most people would rather just be able to drop it into an ATV with a optical drive built in. I know I would. If Applewish to dominate the living room, home theatre area they have to have an optical drive built into the ATV. It's just a small niche product without it. I don't think DVD is the way to go, I would rather have blue ray but it's got to have something.
This is the way I'm looking at it too.
It's funny, you say you agree with him, but you are actually disagreeing with him.
Thanks for being sarcastic.
What I am saying is that everything ha said is right until the last sentence. Maybe you need to improve you reading comprehension.
I'm confident it's going to happen, you'll see. It makes a lot of sense. Since I never gave a time frame, I'm still technically not wrong, so I don't see why you are laughing. Don't worry, I wont gloat too much when it happens.
it makes a lot of sense to you. wishful thinking my friend.
I wish and also would love a 20" MBP, but I highly doubt Apple will make it. I wish a media center with DVD, Blu-ray player, DVR, huge storage, front-row, remote, etc.... But it won't happen, just trying to be realistic.
It just a matter to look at Apple direction in the latest announcements. It doesn't make sense to add a blu-ray player on the AppleTV, because they are focusing on downloads. But I know you want it all together so it can please you. Then you badly want all of this inside an Apple television so it can please you again.
Anyway, my point is that Apple has a direction and it seems to be very clear. They called the AppleTV the VCR of the 21 century, their main focus will be downloads by iTunes store. I think AppleTV will evolve in something much bigger down the road when download 1920x1080 movies will be fast and the availability of HD content will be much bigger. Now they are moving baby steps in that direction. Apple keep referring the Mac as the hub of your entertainment life, the AppleTV is a bridge to close that gap to your entertainment set-up.
Then Apple television coming, hum maybe, but why in a saturate market with amazing HD sets out there, plus a market without huge margins of profit. Not sure if that is part of their master plan. More interesting is to sell AppleTVs to all kinds of entertainment set ups out there than an AIO solution.
My 2 cents buddy!
So let's keep wishful thinking my friend. It's fun, I agree.
The big question is that of quality of video. TV and movie downloads barely work in Standard Definition if you have good broadband. That is why it makes sense to buy a physical BR-DVD or HD-DVD disc for the near future. A physical disc offers a superior product. Not as convenient as downloads, but markedly superior.
Also to rip all my DVDs would fill up a good size RAID system and those systems aren't cheap. To rip HD content would take even more room. So I do not see online quality video distribution and home digital storage working well for the forseeable future.
Now for low res online video, yes it is here now and works well. There are many types of video that I really do not need great quality. For most news, sports, and funny clips, HD is not really needed. It would be nice, but not essential - at least in my opinion. But I feel movies are a different animal. I want quality with movies.
Online music distribution works well because the files are small enough that people can browse, sample, and download. But nobody is doing that successfully with HD video content. Thus Blue Ray/HD-DVD is the best way to go for the foreseeable future. Apple should not ignore these players and they need to get one into their ATV.
visionary says this. Note he says: "Apple should not ignore these players and they need to get one into their ATV."
Visionary,
I agree with everything you said. The thing is AppleTv is geared towards a new model that Apple see as the future of TV, Download content. Yes, is years down the road to get that HDTV content at fast speeds etc. But eventually will happen.
Apple will add Blu-ray support on their Macs. But I doubt it on AppleTV.
you say this. Note you did say; "I agree with everything you said." I went to the trouble of looking up the word 'everything' in the dictionary, just to be sure. It says; 'all things'.
Thanks for being sarcastic.
What I am saying is that everything ha said is right until the last sentence. Maybe you need to improve you reading comprehension.
you say this. Note: you are saying now that you don't agree with his last sentence in his first comment, but you never said that before.
I can't read minds, and I did read it correctly. You said you agree with everything he said, and he did say; ""Apple should not ignore these players and they need to get one into their ATV." I think you are the one who should proof-read their comments.
testy you darling
Don't get too excite.
it makes a lot of sense to you. wishful thinking my friend.
I wish and also would love a 20" MBP, but I highly doubt Apple will make it.
Stop right there.
What planet are you from?
How in the name of whatever God you do or don't believe in does a 20" Apple notebook make any sense? Any sense in the world whatsoever?
I'll tell you why Apple making a TV makes sense:
- How much more convincing does one require!? It's. Just. Plain. Obvious.
You see you want proof, but that can only happen when the product arrives. And when it does you'll get your proof.20" MacBook Pros? Please
hehehehe,
testy you darling
Don't get too excite.
Being right is hardly testy. You said I was wrong, when you were wrong. I accept your apology.
My point again is for you to give me a good reason why Apple will make these products. So far your explanations seems more your desires than any logical reason.
By the way, as a designer a 20" MBP will be sweat on the road.
Apple Television. Ok, why have AIO in a device according to you the most expensive (HDTV) and then in a year or two AppleTV is upgrade and you are stuck with an old model of AppleTV in a Thousand of Dollars HDTV set? As far as I know people tend to keep their TVs longer than they upgrade computers.
Why would Apple join a segment of HDTV, a market that has low margin profits, huge competition and amazing quality displays out there? (remember, Apple loves to join markets that they feel they can improve the consumer experience. Like cell phones and mp3 players) As far as I know, HDTV sets are not the case.
You also say that Apple has huge know how on building TV's, Is that correct or I am misreading you? As far as I know Apple only make ACD, they are computer monitors, not TV's. So Why spend tons of R&D money on HDTV sets to improve something that is already great? Take a look at the latest Pioneer plasmas and LCD's HDTV sets. They are great.
You still not answering why a Blu-ray on AppleTV and why an Apple television will make any sense.
As far as a Blu-ray in the Apple TV is concerned, if you read all my posts in this thread you will see I'm well aware of the technical and economical hurdles that need to be overcome before it could happen. My real point was that Apple TV needs a slot, to play ones DVD's. Having one, slim device under the TV (not two), that's capable of playing my old media (my DVD's) out of the box, and yet also gives me the ability to take advantage of streaming my content from my computer, and downloading future content onto it to play back on the TV is great, just great. And it'd actually be useful too.
The whole point about the Blu-ray slot was that with the current bandwidth and download speed constraints, downloading HD content to is a pain in the butt, and as slow as hell. People could buy Blu-ray movies, play them on that Apple device, and when the time comes where the bandwidth and speeds are fast enough, they can use the same device to download to own, or possibly download to rent high-def content from the iTunes store. And Apple still makes their money on the hardware either way. It's about appealing to more people, and Blu-Ray drives can play regular DVD's too. As for right now, a plain old DVD slot will have to do, and it's one more excuse for people to want to buy the otherwise niche product.
As for the TV thing, see my comment above.
Once again, Apple will not have another competitor media device(blu-ray, HD-DVD, DVD, whatever) on a device that is helping then selling their iTunes content.
As far as Apple Television, I am not sure any of your arguments respond the issues I have asked you on earlier my post.
You also say that Apple has huge know how on building TV's, Is that correct or I am misreading you?
Apple makes displays. Apple makes speakers. TV's are just that thing in a different box. Sure, they are a different animal, but in the end it does give them a head start into the market if they had no knowledge at all. Heck if Dell can make a TV, so can Apple.
So Why spend tons of R&D money on HDTV sets to improve something that is already great? Take a look at the latest Pioneer plasmas and LCD's HDTV sets. They are great.
Well judging by all the rumors of Apple researching large display technologies, meaning TV's, as described in the AI article a while back, they are spending the R&D money.
Saying TV's are already great is subjective. You could say the same thing about iPod speakers, and look what happened there. And being a movie and cinema buff, and technology nutt, I can put my hand on heart and say there are no great LCD's out there, none. Plasmas are a different matter. Panny and Pioneer make great Plasmas, they are very expensive too, and be sure Apple was a share of that money.
The thing you fail to realize though, is that Apple's TV would have one remote, they'd likely be way easier to use, and they'd likely have a tiny manual and a UI that looks like something from this century. That's what I'm talking about. And they'd like to be slimmer and sexier than anything else out there.
Well if that was the case, then AppleTV would have DVD optical drive now, but it doesn't so this arguments are flawed.
LOL, we are talking about the same company here are we? Well if that was the case then why didn't they just make the 5th gen iPod first, and bring out the 160GB ATV at the same time they released the measly 40GB one, you know, the one that only has 32GB of storage. The same company that said video on the iPod would be a stupid idea, people don't want to carry around videos.
The only thing an Apple TV has currently, that an regular iPod with a TV connection doesn't have, is the ability to watch live movie trailers, and a TV orientated UI. Giving it a DVD slot would make the device useful to normal people. It wouldn't be niche then.
Apple makes displays. Apple makes speakers. TV's are just that thing in a different box. Sure, they are a different animal, but in the end it does give them a head start into the market if they had no knowledge at all. Heck if Dell can make a TV, so can Apple.
Well judging by all the rumors of Apple researching large display technologies, meaning TV's, as described in the AI article a while back, they are spending the R&D money.
Saying TV's are already great is subjective. You could say the same thing about iPod speakers, and look what happened there. And being a movie and cinema buff, and technology nutt, I can put my hand on heart and say there are no great LCD's out there, none. Plasmas are a different matter. Panny and Pioneer make great Plasmas, they are very expensive too, and be sure Apple was a share of that money.
The thing you fail to realize though, is that Apple's TV would have one remote, they'd likely be way easier to use, and they'd likely have a tiny manual and a UI that looks like something from this century. That's what I'm talking about. And they'd like to be slimmer and sexier than anything else out there.
So what slimmer and sexier. there are tons of cool looking HDTV sets out there.
But now you like so much AIO, so then how would you sell a $5k or more hi end HDTV set with an AppleTV built-in and in a matter of couple of years, they upgrade the AppleTV for something much cooler and here am I with an amazing HDTV set and with and old tech AppleTV. I would be not happy.
AIO for large, expensive hi-end HDTV sets is not a good idea. Maybe for a low-end cheap tv set. if this is what you want then you might get it. but according to you as a movie buff, I would expect you want the best.
LOL, we are talking about the same company here are we? Well if that was the case then why didn't they just make the 5th gen iPod first, and bring out the 160GB ATV at the same time they released the measly 40GB one, you know, the one that only has 32GB of storage. The same company that said video on the iPod would be a stupid idea, people don't want to carry around videos.
The only thing an Apple TV has currently, that an regular iPod with a TV connection doesn't have, is the ability to watch live movie trailers, and a TV orientated UI. Giving it a DVD slot would make the device useful to normal people. It wouldn't be niche then.
That doesn't make sense. what are you talking?
DVD are higher quality than iTunes downloads. You told me that blu-ray would be great because it would help consumer get hi-res content without getting the hassle of download speeds. Sure iTunes content are closer to resolution of DVD than Blu-ray, but the concept is the same.
again, blu-ray is a competitor for iTunes content. Steve rather have people buy his content than make easy to use blu-ray or DVD. That's why he did not put DVD on the current AppleTV, that's why he did not provide a DVR solution as well. Yes, I agree, I would love to have all on the same device, but he wants people to buy iTunes content.
That doesn't make sense. what are you talking?
DVD are higher quality than iTunes downloads. You told me that blu-ray would be great because it would help consumer get hi-res content without getting the hassle of download speeds. Sure iTunes content are closer to resolution of DVD than Blu-ray, but the concept is the same.
again, blu-ray is a competitor for iTunes content. Steve rather have people buy his content than make easy to use blu-ray or DVD. That's why he did not put DVD on the current AppleTV, that's why he did not provide a DVR solution as well. Yes, I agree, I would love to have all on the same device, but he wants people to buy iTunes content.
You just don't get it.
Apple could sell millions of these things if it could play peoples DVD's, it's not hard to understand. Without a DVD slot, right now it's just a fancy media streamer, they'll be very lucky to sell over two million of them. When we get to a point that downloading makes more sense than physical disks, then you'd have half a point, but even at that people would still need an additional device taking up space in their set-up to play their DVD's. Right now, and in the future putting a DVD slot in the device just makes sense, it's that simple.
More people are starting to choose downloading music over buying CD's now cause it makes more sense. Yet they still have the option of doing the latter, their computer have that drive to play and rip that content. They choose to download cause it's quicker, easier, and more efficient. The same would be true for Apple TV at a point, even if it could play regular old disks too. Downloading movies over using DVD's doesn't make sense right now, we're just not there yet, infrastructure-wise or content-wise. And in the mean time, Apple aint selling many Apple TV's.
I can't spell it out any clearer than that. If you don't think I have a point here then I just think your not listening. Hell I may just make this post into a poll just to see who agrees with me.
Apple is here to sell iTunes content. If they really wanted to make life easier to all of us. We would have DVR and DVD and possibly blu-ray on AppleTV by now. we don't. so Apple's strategy is to sell downloads at this point.
Apple said that iTunes is the VCR of the new century. So it's clear to me that they will not pursue DVD or Blu-ray on the same device. Download is the king on Apple's strategy for AppleTV.
Hey I am with you on this one. Remember my wishsful thinking device that would do it all, but Apple will not make it.