Have you had any time to play around with metadata in Leopard yet? I'm hoping for better support for tagging files and searches based on metadata. Any insight is greaty appreciated.
hi,
fraid i didn't try that as i don't have much experience in meta tagging (tho i defo need to catch up there) so i didn't bother trying it out - spotlight's default hot key is now ctrl + space now - bit annoying for quicksilver users
In the new build the 3D dock can rotate vertically with a cube-effect, similar that what we've seen in Keynote. This allows you to bring up a new dock, filled with new icons. Effectively creating workspaces for docks. Really useful. I would definitely call that top secret.
(just kidding of course )
Damn. Now that I could use. It wouldn't be that hard to implement either. A couple of arrows on the right hand side and making it work with a scroll ball/wheel mouse. It'd be lovely.
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The new Finder is great though, very iTunes like.
But iTunes is the worst app Apple do and after about 5 minutes of CoverFlow, I switched back to normal old list mode.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
I think it's bigger than Tiger. "200 features", but I went through the list and I don't think I've ever needed more than five of them. I think better screen rotation and ease of swapping mouse button order are the two features that I actually use. If I get Leopard, I am sure I'll use ZFS and Time Machine. Maybe the stack feature. I'm not sure if the iTunes-ized Finder is an improvement.
I'm with you there with the doubts on the new Finder being an improvement except for two things - Networking that now actually works and the death of the spinning beachball. They could do something utterly terrible like a Windows style tree view or a ribbon and I'd be upset but networking that works and no beachball - I'll be sacrificing a moof cow to the gods of Claris in thanks.
I'm not so concerned about the dull blue folder icons. Easy replaced.
The comment about the possibility that Apple's programming team may be over extended seems like it may be spot on. With that in mind, perhaps Apple needs to change some of their basic philosophy and start designing both the system and their apps to facilitate third party extensibility -- and to find a way to directly economically enfranchise third-party developers. The not-invented-here attitude is slowing things down to a snails pace, so they need to figure a way around it. There is no point in intentionally keeping your company small, if you aren't also going to keep it nimble.
And what company did more and faster? And what company would you consider has been most innovative HP (14), IBM (15), Dell (34th), Microsoft (49th), or little Apple (121st) in the Forbes 500 list?
Yes, but the point is not was has happened, but how they go on from here. Up until a few years ago Apple just had computer hardware and computer software to innovate and develop. Now they have iPod hardware and software, and iPhone hardware and software. They have already admitted that the latter has caused 10.5 to be delayed, and as I point out on my original post, this in turn has led to a bottleneck delaying other products, iLife certainly and the iMac probably. As they expand from being a computer company into a consumer electronics company that also makes computers, they have to find a way to manage that without degrading the design excellence and general quality that is the brand.
Obviously they are aware of this, the new campus in Texas and so on, but these things have a long lead-in period, plus sufficiently skilled engineers and designers are not two-a-penny, and there is a lot of competition for them. debohun's ideas seem one plausible way of achieving that growth and diversification without sacrificing the quality of the customer experience that makes us all the happy Apple consumers we are.
Welcome to the boards acslater. Great point. Leopard is a further refinement of what I believe is the best OS on the planet.
I cannot personally see an area that hasn't been touched in Leopard that vexes me in Tiger. The Finder is purportedly faster and doesn't hang with network mount/unmounts. It's a cleaner looking system and Spotlight has gotten more search options and polish.
I chuckle a bit when people state there is nothing they would use. Every OS upgrade has so many tweaks and improvements it's not just about the whizzbang features but about everything. I have a Core Duo...Leopard handles multiple cores better and Mail and Addressbook in Leopard will support the new nsoperation API. I'd like to know what is missing from Leopard. We have accelerated UI rendering now on a dedicated thread. We have Resolution Independence coming.
I'm impatient as well. I'm going to be moving to Leopard the first couple of weeks it is out.
I've done what I normally don't do. I pre-ordered the Family Edition from Amazon.
Usually, I get one copy and put it on one test machine. But, this time, both my wife and daughter want it right away, so I gave in.
I'm suprised no one's thought about the fact that they are probably "borrowing" those key programmers to help with the update to the iPhone. Supposedly there's a huge update coming alongside leopard.
Its either that, or they have major issues. Is it me or is Leopard probably the lamest update (feature-wise) since OS 8.6 to OS 9. Tons of features! (But none you will actually use)!
No it is not just you. In fact I am still running OS8.6 on an older iMac because it is solid, reliable and Oh So fast!!!
OS9 was buuuuugggy!!!! and only there to make OSX look good when it finally arrived.
With Leopard I have gone from eager with anticipation, to disappointed at its no show, to impatient with its lack of features to dreading its awful transparent menus and 3D dock (The kind of Crap you expect from Microsoft).
My only hope, and a very slim one, is that it finally has done something about the irksome bugs in Finder that have persisted over multiple versions of OSX.
I maybe being a realistic pessimist, but think either another delay or a buggy release is imminent.
What do you mean?! I love time machine, but I am a bit affraid of the 3D arrows and the tubular things on the right side of the screen. Also, the green flurry (in the middle of the screen) is a bit of a concern ?
The new Finder is great though, very iTunes like.
I agree the Finder is improved, except for the disclosure triangles on the left, they waste a column. You should enable/disable the various sections in an inspector. But the GUI overall is going backwards.
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
I agree the Finder is improved, except for the disclosure triangles on the left, they waste a column. You should enable/disable the various sections in an inspector. But the GUI overall is going backwards.
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
I agree the Finder is improved, except for the disclosure triangles on the left, they waste a column. You should enable/disable the various sections in an inspector. But the GUI overall is going backwards.
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
I've stated my dislike of the OS "update" in numerous posts (I actually though OS9 was very snappy and responsive, X has seemed like it is stuck in molasses since it's introduction)...
I've stated my dislike of the OS "update" in numerous posts (I actually though OS9 was very snappy and responsive, X has seemed like it is stuck in molasses since it's introduction)...
Supposedly, they've fixed that in the Finder, which was where most problems of that nature resided. (Um, nice sentence!}
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
You can get rid of the "big imposing grey block" at the top of the active window by clicking the horizontal tubular thing on the right side of the grey block.
Speaking about Mail, I am still using Gmail as Mail is not able to streamline and elegantly manage my many conversations. When is Apple going to address this issue? Mail should be treated like a messaging program, just like Google does with Gmail.
In Gmail, I am also giving multiple tags to my messages. One message could be tagged with "design studio" and "finances" at the same time eg. Both tags are visible in my Gmail inbox. With Apple, you'd have to copy the message into different folders ?
In Gmail, I am also giving multiple tags to my messages. One message could be tagged with "design studio" and "finances" at the same time eg. Both tags are visible in my Gmail inbox. With Apple, you'd have to copy the message into different folders ?
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Frogbat,
Have you had any time to play around with metadata in Leopard yet? I'm hoping for better support for tagging files and searches based on metadata. Any insight is greaty appreciated.
hi,
fraid i didn't try that as i don't have much experience in meta tagging (tho i defo need to catch up there) so i didn't bother trying it out - spotlight's default hot key is now ctrl + space now - bit annoying for quicksilver users
In the new build the 3D dock can rotate vertically with a cube-effect, similar that what we've seen in Keynote. This allows you to bring up a new dock, filled with new icons. Effectively creating workspaces for docks. Really useful. I would definitely call that top secret.
(just kidding of course
Damn. Now that I could use. It wouldn't be that hard to implement either. A couple of arrows on the right hand side and making it work with a scroll ball/wheel mouse. It'd be lovely.
The new Finder is great though, very iTunes like.
But iTunes is the worst app Apple do and after about 5 minutes of CoverFlow, I switched back to normal old list mode.
I think it's bigger than Tiger. "200 features", but I went through the list and I don't think I've ever needed more than five of them. I think better screen rotation and ease of swapping mouse button order are the two features that I actually use. If I get Leopard, I am sure I'll use ZFS and Time Machine. Maybe the stack feature. I'm not sure if the iTunes-ized Finder is an improvement.
I'm with you there with the doubts on the new Finder being an improvement except for two things - Networking that now actually works and the death of the spinning beachball. They could do something utterly terrible like a Windows style tree view or a ribbon and I'd be upset but networking that works and no beachball - I'll be sacrificing a moof cow to the gods of Claris in thanks.
I'm not so concerned about the dull blue folder icons. Easy replaced.
The comment about the possibility that Apple's programming team may be over extended seems like it may be spot on. With that in mind, perhaps Apple needs to change some of their basic philosophy and start designing both the system and their apps to facilitate third party extensibility -- and to find a way to directly economically enfranchise third-party developers. The not-invented-here attitude is slowing things down to a snails pace, so they need to figure a way around it. There is no point in intentionally keeping your company small, if you aren't also going to keep it nimble.
And what company did more and faster? And what company would you consider has been most innovative HP (14), IBM (15), Dell (34th), Microsoft (49th), or little Apple (121st) in the Forbes 500 list?
Yes, but the point is not was has happened, but how they go on from here. Up until a few years ago Apple just had computer hardware and computer software to innovate and develop. Now they have iPod hardware and software, and iPhone hardware and software. They have already admitted that the latter has caused 10.5 to be delayed, and as I point out on my original post, this in turn has led to a bottleneck delaying other products, iLife certainly and the iMac probably. As they expand from being a computer company into a consumer electronics company that also makes computers, they have to find a way to manage that without degrading the design excellence and general quality that is the brand.
Obviously they are aware of this, the new campus in Texas and so on, but these things have a long lead-in period, plus sufficiently skilled engineers and designers are not two-a-penny, and there is a lot of competition for them. debohun's ideas seem one plausible way of achieving that growth and diversification without sacrificing the quality of the customer experience that makes us all the happy Apple consumers we are.
Welcome to the boards acslater. Great point. Leopard is a further refinement of what I believe is the best OS on the planet.
I cannot personally see an area that hasn't been touched in Leopard that vexes me in Tiger. The Finder is purportedly faster and doesn't hang with network mount/unmounts. It's a cleaner looking system and Spotlight has gotten more search options and polish.
I chuckle a bit when people state there is nothing they would use. Every OS upgrade has so many tweaks and improvements it's not just about the whizzbang features but about everything. I have a Core Duo...Leopard handles multiple cores better and Mail and Addressbook in Leopard will support the new nsoperation API. I'd like to know what is missing from Leopard. We have accelerated UI rendering now on a dedicated thread. We have Resolution Independence coming.
I'm impatient as well. I'm going to be moving to Leopard the first couple of weeks it is out.
I've done what I normally don't do. I pre-ordered the Family Edition from Amazon.
Usually, I get one copy and put it on one test machine. But, this time, both my wife and daughter want it right away, so I gave in.
I'm suprised no one's thought about the fact that they are probably "borrowing" those key programmers to help with the update to the iPhone. Supposedly there's a huge update coming alongside leopard.
Its either that, or they have major issues. Is it me or is Leopard probably the lamest update (feature-wise) since OS 8.6 to OS 9. Tons of features! (But none you will actually use)!
No it is not just you. In fact I am still running OS8.6 on an older iMac because it is solid, reliable and Oh So fast!!!
OS9 was buuuuugggy!!!! and only there to make OSX look good when it finally arrived.
With Leopard I have gone from eager with anticipation, to disappointed at its no show, to impatient with its lack of features to dreading its awful transparent menus and 3D dock (The kind of Crap you expect from Microsoft).
My only hope, and a very slim one, is that it finally has done something about the irksome bugs in Finder that have persisted over multiple versions of OSX.
I maybe being a realistic pessimist, but think either another delay or a buggy release is imminent.
What do you mean?! I love time machine, but I am a bit affraid of the 3D arrows and the tubular things on the right side of the screen. Also, the green flurry (in the middle of the screen) is a bit of a concern ?
The new Finder is great though, very iTunes like.
I agree the Finder is improved, except for the disclosure triangles on the left, they waste a column. You should enable/disable the various sections in an inspector. But the GUI overall is going backwards.
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
OS X Leopard, designed by interns.
I agree the Finder is improved, except for the disclosure triangles on the left, they waste a column. You should enable/disable the various sections in an inspector. But the GUI overall is going backwards.
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
And where is your latest creation?
And where is your latest creation?
Abster, you know that's not a proper response.
Personally I think lots of bugs is good. It means that the OS is probably feature-complete and just needs some bug fixing.
Bugs are bugs. Never good.
I agree the Finder is improved, except for the disclosure triangles on the left, they waste a column. You should enable/disable the various sections in an inspector. But the GUI overall is going backwards.
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
I've stated my dislike of the OS "update" in numerous posts (I actually though OS9 was very snappy and responsive, X has seemed like it is stuck in molasses since it's introduction)...
I've stated my dislike of the OS "update" in numerous posts (I actually though OS9 was very snappy and responsive, X has seemed like it is stuck in molasses since it's introduction)...
Supposedly, they've fixed that in the Finder, which was where most problems of that nature resided. (Um, nice sentence!}
And where is your latest creation?
I'm not claiming my creations are superior, I'm claiming their earlier ones are.
"Oh yeah, I really hope the subsequent builds of Leopard are more like Tiger..."
Look at the icons at the top of Mail - they look homemade. Where is the commercial polish? This is not Linux. Look at the big imposing grey block at the top of the active window, totally overpowering the rest of it. Look at the tacky see through menu bar. OS X used to look like it was designed by artists.
You can get rid of the "big imposing grey block" at the top of the active window by clicking the horizontal tubular thing on the right side of the grey block.
Speaking about Mail, I am still using Gmail as Mail is not able to streamline and elegantly manage my many conversations. When is Apple going to address this issue? Mail should be treated like a messaging program, just like Google does with Gmail.
In Gmail, I am also giving multiple tags to my messages. One message could be tagged with "design studio" and "finances" at the same time eg. Both tags are visible in my Gmail inbox. With Apple, you'd have to copy the message into different folders ?
In Gmail, I am also giving multiple tags to my messages. One message could be tagged with "design studio" and "finances" at the same time eg. Both tags are visible in my Gmail inbox. With Apple, you'd have to copy the message into different folders ?
Have a look at MailTags - simply wonderful!!
Have a look at MailTags - simply wonderful!!
? euhm, I think you lost me