But iTunes is the worst app Apple do and after about 5 minutes of CoverFlow, I switched back to normal old list mode.
iTunes is the sexiest Jukebox out there! Coverflow works great with Mighty Mouse! And play count is giving me instant feed back about my current mood iTunes even let's me add images to the official cover art of the cd!!
Coverflow should be introduced into Safari as well. It's allready being the case with the iPhone, but imagine all of your bookmarks being displayed like updated web flicks inside Safari!
And finally: Coverflow should be introduced to Address book, Front Row and iPhoto as well.
With Leopard I have gone from eager with anticipation, to disappointed at its no show, to impatient with its lack of features to dreading its awful transparent menus and 3D dock (The kind of Crap you expect from Microsoft).
Wait, I thought only the top menu bar was gonna be transparent?! < Which is great as it will add a little feng shui to the desk top! It will also make the menu bar a little less prominent.
I hope they do not make all the little menus transparent?! eg. like the inspector palette in "Word" and "Excell". This is just plain silly
I've done what I normally don't do. I pre-ordered the Family Edition from Amazon.
Melgross, what does your experience and gut feeling tell you?! > Do you think the buggy Leopard Beta is gonna make it?! Of course, there are 31 days in October ?
It is actually only 9 weeks from Steve's keynote in January. Maybe it's better to introduce Leopard with an all new MacBookPro. Meaning, you will have to look for another Xmas present for your relatives
The comment about the possibility that Apple's programming team may be over extended seems like it may be spot on. With that in mind, perhaps Apple needs to change some of their basic philosophy and start designing both the system and their apps to facilitate third party extensibility
Huh? Almost everything in Mac OS X relies on frameworks that every third party developer has access to.
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Originally Posted by debohun
The not-invented-here attitude is slowing things down to a snails pace, so they need to figure a way around it.
The huge amount of open source and open standard stuff in Mac OS X doesn't really show a NIH attitude to me.
I guess you didn't know Apple in the Classic days.
Coverflow and quickview will prove invaluable and stacks is very comfortable though most folder will display in grid making the fan out a bit superflous
I noticed that too. The fan out doesn't even work on the side.
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Originally Posted by frogbat
the use of a downloads folder will help
I have a downloads folder anyway so it's not a big deal for me. It seems to be like Apple are just forcing people to do what they should be doing already.
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Originally Posted by frogbat
finder could be souped up even more- make it more powerful , explorer still kicks its arse in displaying and sorting information. sorting should be better handled in column view and an option to have folders at the top and bottom should be given
I still can't figure out how to list folder items by size in Windows. Where's the option to calculate folder sizes? The navigation is worse IMO as it feels like I'm using OS 9. I use column view all the time and I haven't seen anything in Windows that has the same functionality.
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Originally Posted by frogbat
the 3d dock grew on me and i found it better than the current one the open application indicator took more time to get used to
Once I made it black, I started to like it but it's still too high up and I think it should have had less of an angle to it.
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Originally Posted by frogbat
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
Yeah but it's a change. We Mac users get so little variety in the interface, I'm glad just to see something new.
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign
But iTunes is the worst app Apple do and after about 5 minutes of CoverFlow, I switched back to normal old list mode.
I'm the same in itunes but not the Finder. I don't have any cover art so coverflow is kinda useless but it's great for flipping through image collections. It's very fast even with high res images. Still no animated gif support though, I don't know why Apple don't support this.
One thing I really dislike about the Finder coverflow is how it jumps you back to another view if you double-click a folder. It doesn't stay in coverflow mode. Also, you only get a list view beneath coverflow. They could have easily put column view under there. I actually don't understand why coverflow is a new view option. I would have preferred if it was just a slide down option. So say you are in column view, hit a button and coverflow slides down above it.
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Originally Posted by Messiah
I used Leopard for a while, and when I went back to using Tiger again I caught myself thinking ?
"Oh yeah, I really hope the subsequent builds of Leopard are more like Tiger..."
Haha, I thought the same thing too. Leopard's interface should be called inyourface. Tiger just seems quite refined. The dock is not invasive and the drop shadows are subtle. I don't like the gradients on the new menus either.
I noticed that too. The fan out doesn't even work on the side.
I have a downloads folder anyway so it's not a big deal for me. It seems to be like Apple are just forcing people to do what they should be doing already.
I still can't figure out how to list folder items by size in Windows. Where's the option to calculate folder sizes? The navigation is worse IMO as it feels like I'm using OS 9. I use column view all the time and I haven't seen anything in Windows that has the same functionality.
Once I made it black, I started to like it but it's still too high up and I think it should have had less of an angle to it.
Yeah but it's a change. We Mac users get so little variety in the interface, I'm glad just to see something new.
I'm the same in itunes but not the Finder. I don't have any cover art so coverflow is kinda useless but it's great for flipping through image collections. It's very fast even with high res images. Still no animated gif support though, I don't know why Apple don't support this.
One thing I really dislike about the Finder coverflow is how it jumps you back to another view if you double-click a folder. It doesn't stay in coverflow mode. Also, you only get a list view beneath coverflow. They could have easily put column view under there. I actually don't understand why coverflow is a new view option. I would have preferred if it was just a slide down option. So say you are in column view, hit a button and coverflow slides down above it.
Haha, I thought the same thing too. Leopard's interface should be called inyourface. Tiger just seems quite refined. The dock is not invasive and the drop shadows are subtle. I don't like the gradients on the new menus either.
True enough that we don't get enough variety in the interface.
inyourface? dude, it should be called, "unseeablyinyourface"- half of it is slick, half is transparent, and half is, well, in your face!
I still can't figure out how to list folder items by size in Windows. Where's the option to calculate folder sizes?
Calculate folder sizes? Is it that much different between OSs? On OS X, the only way I know is "get info" and in Windows, you get "properties". The only difference I see is that Finder has a hot key for it, Explorer does not.
After playing a bit with it I don't find the new build any buggier than the previous build, and it contains quite a few small changes (and finally a Danish spelling checker).
I'll do the same thing I've been doing for years... wait for 6 months for the major bugs to get ironed out, then buy it.
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Originally Posted by acslater017
hmm...smart. but i'm too impatient.
Me too. I've ben using at my main OS since 9A466.
There are plenty of bugs, but there are new features (many not even mentioned at WWDC) that I just can't live without now so going back to Tiger is a no go for me now.
What I can say is that I love the new Download folder. I have been using one in my Dock for a couple years now, so it's nice to have this one with an even easier to access files. I'm not fond of the 3D Dock, though.
I do love Mail having Notes, To-Dos and an RSS reader built in. RSS Menu was my previous favorite reader. Not perfect, but ot offered a very simple, unobtrusive way to se when you have new messages/articles. Safari's reader is nice, but I don't want to go to a site first to see if there are new articles.
iCal has some nice changes to it. Enough that I'm actually using it more so I guess that is an improvement.
The new Shared section in Finder is really streamlined compared to Tiger, as shown in the WWDC video. Many of the things I really like are the little things. The things Apple notices. The things Apple gets.
Quicklook as gotten better, especially with resources but I still find I only use it for PDF, Docs, Images, and Audio. Never for video. I prefer to click on it and use it QT instead.
Just know that I really like it despite its wonkiness. I think it will increase Mac sales even more, and there are many things in it that will help the iPhone interact with it and give it more features. *cough*Notes Syncing*cough*
There is a new option in the Finder called Show Path Bar. Yeah, it is what you think it is.
That has been there since at least Tiger. But you have to customize the tool bar in Finder to add it. I just use the Command+click in the titel bar to see a path, but I'm glad they added it as a default.
I would prefer to see an option to add a permanent path bar like the one that appears at teh bottom of the window when doing a Spotlight search.
Calculate folder sizes? Is it that much different between OSs? On OS X, the only way I know is "get info" and in Windows, you get "properties". The only difference I see is that Finder has a hot key for it, Explorer does not.
I can (half) recommend the contextual menu extra CalculateSizeCM:
That has been there since at least Tiger. But you have to customize the tool bar in Finder to add it. I just use the Command+click in the titel bar to see a path, but I'm glad they added it as a default.
I would prefer to see an option to add a permanent path bar like the one that appears at teh bottom of the window when doing a Spotlight search.
That's what I was talking about. There IS. Never mind though I retracted my post, nothing to see here. I can't believe you caught it though. it was only up for like 15 seconds.
Melgross, what does your experience and gut feeling tell you?! > Do you think the buggy Leopard Beta is gonna make it?! Of course, there are 31 days in October ?
It is actually only 9 weeks from Steve's keynote in January. Maybe it's better to introduce Leopard with an all new MacBookPro. Meaning, you will have to look for another Xmas present for your relatives
I think that Apple will release more than two more beta's. Near final pre- Golden Master, there is usually a flurry of releases, fixing the bunch of bugs that eluded them eariler because of more important problems.
That doesn't mean that an October release date can't be met, but I'm hoping that Apple is flexible here. If they miss the date by a few weeks, it's something I would prefer, rather than have a buggy release.
It's become increasingly important to Apple to get the OS out the door with as few bugs as possible.
If what they say about 50% of those buying Mac's in their stores, and the web site, are true, and sales in other places are also experiencing a large percentage of first to the Mac sales, then Apple can't expect the old Mac hands dismissal of bugs as being unimportant in a first release. These people are expecting that Apple puts out much higher quality software from the first day.
I agree with you 100% but I do not think that will be their final appearance. I am expecting Apple to include the real icons, which will be colored, in the final build before going Gold so there will be "just one more thing..." we get to look forward to until it is released.
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But iTunes is the worst app Apple do and after about 5 minutes of CoverFlow, I switched back to normal old list mode.
iTunes is the sexiest Jukebox out there! Coverflow works great with Mighty Mouse! And play count is giving me instant feed back about my current mood
Coverflow should be introduced into Safari as well. It's allready being the case with the iPhone, but imagine all of your bookmarks being displayed like updated web flicks inside Safari!
And finally: Coverflow should be introduced to Address book, Front Row and iPhoto as well.
sorry, should have posted a link, it's a mail plugin: MailTags Use it all the time - absolutely wonderful!
Owmygod! This sounds absolutely brilliant! Thanks a lot! I'm gonna try it
With Leopard I have gone from eager with anticipation, to disappointed at its no show, to impatient with its lack of features to dreading its awful transparent menus and 3D dock (The kind of Crap you expect from Microsoft).
Wait, I thought only the top menu bar was gonna be transparent?! < Which is great as it will add a little feng shui to the desk top! It will also make the menu bar a little less prominent.
I hope they do not make all the little menus transparent?! eg. like the inspector palette in "Word" and "Excell". This is just plain silly
I've done what I normally don't do. I pre-ordered the Family Edition from Amazon.
Melgross, what does your experience and gut feeling tell you?! > Do you think the buggy Leopard Beta is gonna make it?! Of course, there are 31 days in October ?
It is actually only 9 weeks from Steve's keynote in January. Maybe it's better to introduce Leopard with an all new MacBookPro. Meaning, you will have to look for another Xmas present for your relatives
The comment about the possibility that Apple's programming team may be over extended seems like it may be spot on. With that in mind, perhaps Apple needs to change some of their basic philosophy and start designing both the system and their apps to facilitate third party extensibility
Huh? Almost everything in Mac OS X relies on frameworks that every third party developer has access to.
The not-invented-here attitude is slowing things down to a snails pace, so they need to figure a way around it.
The huge amount of open source and open standard stuff in Mac OS X doesn't really show a NIH attitude to me.
I guess you didn't know Apple in the Classic days.
Owmygod! This sounds absolutely brilliant! Thanks a lot! I'm gonna try it
you're welcome. be sure to also check out the MailActOn, MailFollowUp and MailTypeSelect (the latter does find-as-you-type!
back on topic now
Coverflow and quickview will prove invaluable and stacks is very comfortable though most folder will display in grid making the fan out a bit superflous
I noticed that too. The fan out doesn't even work on the side.
the use of a downloads folder will help
I have a downloads folder anyway so it's not a big deal for me. It seems to be like Apple are just forcing people to do what they should be doing already.
finder could be souped up even more- make it more powerful , explorer still kicks its arse in displaying and sorting information. sorting should be better handled in column view and an option to have folders at the top and bottom should be given
I still can't figure out how to list folder items by size in Windows. Where's the option to calculate folder sizes? The navigation is worse IMO as it feels like I'm using OS 9. I use column view all the time and I haven't seen anything in Windows that has the same functionality.
the 3d dock grew on me and i found it better than the current one the open application indicator took more time to get used to
Once I made it black, I started to like it but it's still too high up and I think it should have had less of an angle to it.
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
Yeah but it's a change. We Mac users get so little variety in the interface, I'm glad just to see something new.
But iTunes is the worst app Apple do and after about 5 minutes of CoverFlow, I switched back to normal old list mode.
I'm the same in itunes but not the Finder. I don't have any cover art so coverflow is kinda useless but it's great for flipping through image collections. It's very fast even with high res images. Still no animated gif support though, I don't know why Apple don't support this.
One thing I really dislike about the Finder coverflow is how it jumps you back to another view if you double-click a folder. It doesn't stay in coverflow mode. Also, you only get a list view beneath coverflow. They could have easily put column view under there. I actually don't understand why coverflow is a new view option. I would have preferred if it was just a slide down option. So say you are in column view, hit a button and coverflow slides down above it.
I used Leopard for a while, and when I went back to using Tiger again I caught myself thinking ?
"Oh yeah, I really hope the subsequent builds of Leopard are more like Tiger..."
Haha, I thought the same thing too. Leopard's interface should be called inyourface. Tiger just seems quite refined. The dock is not invasive and the drop shadows are subtle. I don't like the gradients on the new menus either.
I noticed that too. The fan out doesn't even work on the side.
I have a downloads folder anyway so it's not a big deal for me. It seems to be like Apple are just forcing people to do what they should be doing already.
I still can't figure out how to list folder items by size in Windows. Where's the option to calculate folder sizes? The navigation is worse IMO as it feels like I'm using OS 9. I use column view all the time and I haven't seen anything in Windows that has the same functionality.
Once I made it black, I started to like it but it's still too high up and I think it should have had less of an angle to it.
Yeah but it's a change. We Mac users get so little variety in the interface, I'm glad just to see something new.
I'm the same in itunes but not the Finder. I don't have any cover art so coverflow is kinda useless but it's great for flipping through image collections. It's very fast even with high res images. Still no animated gif support though, I don't know why Apple don't support this.
One thing I really dislike about the Finder coverflow is how it jumps you back to another view if you double-click a folder. It doesn't stay in coverflow mode. Also, you only get a list view beneath coverflow. They could have easily put column view under there. I actually don't understand why coverflow is a new view option. I would have preferred if it was just a slide down option. So say you are in column view, hit a button and coverflow slides down above it.
Haha, I thought the same thing too. Leopard's interface should be called inyourface. Tiger just seems quite refined. The dock is not invasive and the drop shadows are subtle. I don't like the gradients on the new menus either.
True enough that we don't get enough variety in the interface.
inyourface? dude, it should be called, "unseeablyinyourface"- half of it is slick, half is transparent, and half is, well, in your face!
I still can't figure out how to list folder items by size in Windows. Where's the option to calculate folder sizes?
Calculate folder sizes? Is it that much different between OSs? On OS X, the only way I know is "get info" and in Windows, you get "properties". The only difference I see is that Finder has a hot key for it, Explorer does not.
I'll do the same thing I've been doing for years... wait for 6 months for the major bugs to get ironed out, then buy it.
hmm...smart. but i'm too impatient.
Me too. I've ben using at my main OS since 9A466.
There are plenty of bugs, but there are new features (many not even mentioned at WWDC) that I just can't live without now so going back to Tiger is a no go for me now.
there are new features (many not even mentioned at WWDC) that I just can't live without now so going back to Tiger is a no go for me now.
care to name your top-5? I'm just curious.
care to name your top-5? I'm just curious.
I wish I could, but NDA is in effect.
What I can say is that I love the new Download folder. I have been using one in my Dock for a couple years now, so it's nice to have this one with an even easier to access files. I'm not fond of the 3D Dock, though.
I do love Mail having Notes, To-Dos and an RSS reader built in. RSS Menu was my previous favorite reader. Not perfect, but ot offered a very simple, unobtrusive way to se when you have new messages/articles. Safari's reader is nice, but I don't want to go to a site first to see if there are new articles.
iCal has some nice changes to it. Enough that I'm actually using it more so I guess that is an improvement.
The new Shared section in Finder is really streamlined compared to Tiger, as shown in the WWDC video. Many of the things I really like are the little things. The things Apple notices. The things Apple gets.
Quicklook as gotten better, especially with resources but I still find I only use it for PDF, Docs, Images, and Audio. Never for video. I prefer to click on it and use it QT instead.
Just know that I really like it despite its wonkiness. I think it will increase Mac sales even more, and there are many things in it that will help the iPhone interact with it and give it more features. *cough*Notes Syncing*cough*
There is a new option in the Finder called Show Path Bar. Yeah, it is what you think it is.
That has been there since at least Tiger. But you have to customize the tool bar in Finder to add it. I just use the Command+click in the titel bar to see a path, but I'm glad they added it as a default.
I would prefer to see an option to add a permanent path bar like the one that appears at teh bottom of the window when doing a Spotlight search.
Calculate folder sizes? Is it that much different between OSs? On OS X, the only way I know is "get info" and in Windows, you get "properties". The only difference I see is that Finder has a hot key for it, Explorer does not.
I can (half) recommend the contextual menu extra CalculateSizeCM:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19014
which works perfectly and I find invaluable, but it appears to have stopped at 10.3 and is PPC only...
That has been there since at least Tiger. But you have to customize the tool bar in Finder to add it. I just use the Command+click in the titel bar to see a path, but I'm glad they added it as a default.
I would prefer to see an option to add a permanent path bar like the one that appears at teh bottom of the window when doing a Spotlight search.
That's what I was talking about. There IS. Never mind though I retracted my post, nothing to see here. I can't believe you caught it though. it was only up for like 15 seconds.
Melgross, what does your experience and gut feeling tell you?! > Do you think the buggy Leopard Beta is gonna make it?! Of course, there are 31 days in October ?
It is actually only 9 weeks from Steve's keynote in January. Maybe it's better to introduce Leopard with an all new MacBookPro. Meaning, you will have to look for another Xmas present for your relatives
I think that Apple will release more than two more beta's. Near final pre- Golden Master, there is usually a flurry of releases, fixing the bunch of bugs that eluded them eariler because of more important problems.
That doesn't mean that an October release date can't be met, but I'm hoping that Apple is flexible here. If they miss the date by a few weeks, it's something I would prefer, rather than have a buggy release.
It's become increasingly important to Apple to get the OS out the door with as few bugs as possible.
If what they say about 50% of those buying Mac's in their stores, and the web site, are true, and sales in other places are also experiencing a large percentage of first to the Mac sales, then Apple can't expect the old Mac hands dismissal of bugs as being unimportant in a first release. These people are expecting that Apple puts out much higher quality software from the first day.
Apple shouldn't disappoint them.
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
I agree with you 100% but I do not think that will be their final appearance. I am expecting Apple to include the real icons, which will be colored, in the final build before going Gold so there will be "just one more thing..." we get to look forward to until it is released.