Apple slashes 8GB iPhone price to $399, 4GB model to fade

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  • Reply 301 of 408
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by movielover View Post


    HDTV is different though. There are multiple suppliers and manufacturers. What's dropping the price of HDTVs, LCDs and plasmas are overally costs and economies of scale. Apple controls the iPhone and pricing, and a drastic drop in price can't be attributed to manufacturing cost in just over two months.



    For your comment to make any sense at all, you would have to be talking about a particular brand and model of HDTV, not the segment as a whole. There are many suppliers of cellphones just as there are many suppliers of HDTVs.
  • Reply 302 of 408
    As the New York Times reports today:



    "On Wednesday, Apple executives insisted that the price cut had been planned long ago and that the strategy had been conceived in part to keep the iPhone?s pricing in line with its new iPod Touch, a music player that looks like the iPhone but lacks the phone-calling ability."



    This is what makes me so mad: I have no problem with the price drop per se, I have a problem with the fact that Apple has been planning to screw over their most devoted customers from the get go: we payed 200 bucks more than what they sell for a mere two months later; we stood in line, manufacturing a media event for Apple; we spent the last two months explaining to people why the iPhone is NOT overpriced - and now we look like idiots (contrary to what many seem to believe, I tended to hide the phone, so I wouldn't have to explain all the time). Great, thank you very much, I feel used.



    Those who can't empathize with this, just shut up. Enjoy your schadenfreude and go your own way. Don't add insult to injury, which is what Steve Jobs did in his USA Today interview. I'm in my late 20's, still a graduate student, and have owned half a dozen macs in the last few years. I do pay a premium for Apple's products, for precisely the reasons all of us who frequent these forums do - but I don't have money to spend for being a beta tester.

    I convinced close to a dozen people to switch to the mac, Apple's 'do business different' history was one of the reasons I stressed. That's over now, it seems. Along the way to becoming Bill Gates, being nice to your customer base was a good idea, now that we have domination of a market segment we can screw being sentimental. Great.



    September 5th is the day that made me an Apple cynic.
  • Reply 303 of 408
    Jobs may be pumping up his products - but he's also CEO of the company selling the products - he and ATT made commitments for feature enhancements - because of his position, consumers have the ability to rely on promises he makes as an officer of the company. Apple and ATT both tactily agreed to a substantial price reduction (and by the way - I too am aware of price reductions in cell phones - but am not aware of any reduction in excess of 30% less than 3 months after sales launch (if the device were selling as planned it would be unlikely someone would do this)) which set the stage for a defeinition of time relative to all matters iPhone. No feature enhancements within the period of time - lack of follow though on public commitments = breach of contract. My guess is any consumer could use this as a basis for cancelling a 2 year contract because apple and ATT breached their commitment. Incidentally, why do you think the two companies have a return policy to begin with? They owe a duty of care to the consumer and even if they didn't have a policy - i bet from a legal standpoint, they'd be required to make a given consumer whole for a price discount that occurred a "reasonable" amount of time after they contracted (purchased from) with the selling party.
  • Reply 304 of 408
    too often I think we have discussed this pricing matter in terms of price strategy. In effect what Apple did was it used up a lot of the equity it gained in a loyal customer base to profit. They will pay for this in the future if people do not just accept things. There really are a lot of good phones in the market as well as good computers, and MP3 players. Maybe it is time us Apple fans start to be more open minded to other brands as the brand that we loved, turned on us. ....
  • Reply 305 of 408
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,842member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by f.duane View Post


    but I don't have money to spend for being a beta tester.



    Then you shouldn't have bought the iPhone at $599, should you? Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. There's no use being mad at Apple, you parted with your $599 out of your own free will. If the iPhone isn't worth $599 to you, you shouldn't have bought it. Simple as that.
  • Reply 306 of 408
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,842member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by onceuponamac View Post


    No feature enhancements within the period of time - lack of follow though on public commitments = breach of contract.



    Again, the contract is two years long. Two years is not yet up. So how can they possibly have breached the part of the contract that promises features enhancements over a period of time? The period of time is not yet up. Ignoring the fact, of course, that feature updates have already been provided. Did Apple or ATT state anywhere what the feature enhancements would be? No.
  • Reply 307 of 408
    wnursewnurse Posts: 427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Then you shouldn't have bought the iPhone at $599, should you? Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. There's no use being mad at Apple, you parted with your $599 out of your own free will. If the iPhone isn't worth $599 to you, you shouldn't have bought it. Simple as that.



    Relax Mr H. You have proved to apple already what a water boy you are. Let the folks bitch. Apple will reward you for your loyalty and efforts to keep the troops in line. Take a break already.
  • Reply 308 of 408
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Then you shouldn't have bought the iPhone at $599, should you? Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. There's no use being mad at Apple, you parted with your $599 out of your own free will. If the iPhone isn't worth $599 to you, you shouldn't have bought it. Simple as that.



    It was also pretty obvious that price drops would occur and reasonably rapidly to get to their desired sales goal in a year and because a new generation of flash was to be available but wasn't in the current iPhones. Well, that last part obvious to folks that frequent AI anyway.
  • Reply 309 of 408
    This is fantastic news. Was waiting for the 8GB model to become more affordable, and it happened much sooner than I expected! I might even be able to justify paying to get out of my T-Mobile contract 9 months early now...
  • Reply 310 of 408
    Most carriers charge $200.00 to terminate a contract, what Apple has done, is to indirectly subsidize the cost of breaking this contract.

    Also, on June 30th, on the Kim Kommando show, Kim made the statement that the iPhone would be a lot cheaper by October, she didn?t miss it by much. So I don?t know why this is such a surprise. I have bought several Apple products that were refreshed shortly after my purchased, (iBook G4, 60GB video iPod), were either I could have had more features, or same features for the same price, but that is just the way it is. And it?s not just Apple, my 19? Sony monitor was reduced by @200.00 18 days after I bought, no refund there either.

    I would love to have an iPhone, but I didn?t buy an iPhone, and I still won?t buy an iPhone, do to Apple?s poor choice in a locking its self to AT&T. One feature that is very important to me is the ability to use the phone as a modem for a lap top. AT&T does not offer this feature on the iPhone at any price, (it?s available on some of their other phones for $60.00 a month), because the data plan for the phone is only costing $20.00, is what I was told. I use my phone as a modem, unlimited access, with Alltel for $25.00 a month. AT&T is where the real gouging is going on.
  • Reply 311 of 408
    wnursewnurse Posts: 427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bigal121892 View Post


    Most carriers charge $200.00 to terminate a contract, what Apple has done, is to indirectly subsidize the cost of breaking this contract.

    Also, on June 30th, on the Kim Kommando show, Kim made the statement that the iPhone would be a lot cheaper by October, she didn?t miss it by much. So I don?t know why this is such a surprise. I have bought several Apple products that were refreshed shortly after my purchased, (iBook G4, 60GB video iPod), were either I could have had more features, or same features for the same price, but that is just the way it is. And it?s not just Apple, my 19? Sony monitor was reduced by @200.00 18 days after I bought, no refund there either.

    I would love to have an iPhone, but I didn?t buy an iPhone, and I still won?t buy an iPhone, do to Apple?s poor choice in a locking its self to AT&T. One feature that is very important to me is the ability to use the phone as a modem for a lap top. AT&T does not offer this feature on the iPhone at any price, (it?s available on some of their other phones for $60.00 a month), because the data plan for the phone is only costing $20.00, is what I was told. I use my phone as a modem, unlimited access, with Alltel for $25.00 a month. AT&T is where the real gouging is going on.



    Nice try blaming AT&T. Gotta give you credit though.
  • Reply 312 of 408
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Then you shouldn't have bought the iPhone at $599, should you? Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. There's no use being mad at Apple, you parted with your $599 out of your own free will. If the iPhone isn't worth $599 to you, you shouldn't have bought it. Simple as that.



    Oh dude,

    at the risk that you're not going to get it again, this is not about what it was worth to me, it is about Apple's exploitation of just that. Yeah, it's capitalism, right? That's my point: Apple changed in what kind of relationship it has with its loyal customers - and I'm not willing to be ripped off like that. If that's immature in your eyes, you have grown up into something I don't want to be (truly smug, for example). Simple as that.
  • Reply 313 of 408
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,842member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wnurse View Post


    Apple will reward you for your loyalty and efforts to keep the troops in line.



    I doubt it. Guess you haven't read any of my posts regarding Apple's desktop lineup, laptop lineup, the Finder, or QuickTime?
  • Reply 314 of 408
    backtomacbacktomac Posts: 4,579member
    I'm trying to stay out of the 'we got screwed because Apple lowered the price and we overpayed ' whine fest.



    I've only got one question to those who feel screwed, betrayed and otherwise wronged. Is this the first electronic device you've ever bought?



    I bought a Samsung 42" plasma HDTV at fathers day. Samsung now sell 50" plasmas for roughly the same price. I don't feel screwed because I realize that's the way this biz works.
  • Reply 315 of 408
    While I'm peeved at the price drop, I've had it since iDay. I personally wouldn't buy an iPhone between now and December. Looks like they're clearing out inventory. Such an early price cut to me hints that a new iPhone is just around the corner, maybe in time for holiday season (two models on the shelves - 8gb and 16gb) or early '08. Let's wait and see what it is.



    They should've cut $100 yesterday, and another $100 a month from now. Then maybe introduce a 16gb version at $599 Nov. 1 to have both 8 and 16gb models in time for the holidays.
  • Reply 316 of 408
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post




    <Original Quote>: Originally Posted by Duddits:



    "Why do we value our own stuff based on how much other people pay for their stuff?" <Unquote>




    <Follow up quote>:Originally Posted by bikerdude:



    "Excellent Question." <Unquote>




    <anantksundaram replies>:



    Not really.



    Ever tried to sell a house? Stock? A car? Anything?



    Are you buying an iPhone to sell to someone else, or to use for yourself?



    You care about how much other people pay for a house, stock, and car because you are interested in investment and resale value. You buy with a high possibility of selling. The iPhone, on the other hand, is something you buy and gobble up yourself. The value of the iPhone is how much it is worth to you.



    Not only that, you are locked into a 2 year contract during which you will almost certainly not sell it. A price drop now is irrelevent to its price in 3 years, which will be much reduced regardless of whether Apple lowers the price now or in 4 months. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. Early adopters just hate that so few days separated them from a better deal.
  • Reply 317 of 408
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,842member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by f.duane View Post


    Oh dude,

    at the risk that you're not going to get it again, this is not about what it was worth to me, it is about Apple's exploitation of just that. Yeah, it's capitalism, right? That's my point: Apple changed in what kind of relationship it has with its loyal customers - and I'm not willing to be ripped off like that.



    If it was worth $599 to you, how have you been ripped off?



    It has absolutely everything to do with what the iPhone is worth to you and that you decided to buy it at $599.



    How long are you planning on keeping your iPhone? Two years at least I would have thought, given that's how long the contract is. What will it be worth then, in terms of resale value? Very little indeed, because we all know by then there'll be a 3G version with higher capacity and possibly other upgraded features. You bought the iPhone knowing this. So I fail to see how a $200 price reduction, at any point during your ownership, makes any difference.



    What is happening here is that with the benefit of hindsight you are wishing you'd waited two months, because two months' usage of an iPhone isn't worth $200 to you. I appreciate that that is an annoying feeling, but it doesn't change the facts. You were able to inspect the iPhone features before buying and you made your choice. You were not duped in any way and your iPhone remains the same iPhone it always was and always will be.
  • Reply 318 of 408
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rrightm View Post


    Funny. You want legal redress over this "situation" on the one hand, then on the other you talk about "hacking" the iPhone, which is quite possibly illegal. That said, I don't know what state you live in and/or where you purchased your phone, such that a particular state's law might apply. In Florida, your "claim" would likely fail. Granted, there probably is a lawyer somewhere in this state (or any other) who has a mortgage payment to make and who would love to file such a lawsuit. With over 54,000 practicing attorneys in Florida, I'm sure you could find one.



    In reality, your cause of action for breach of contract premised upon your frustration and disappointment would likely fail (as no such cause of action exists). Bad faith? No. As I mentioned in a prior post on this thread, I too purchased the iPhone (on the day of launch). I'm a little upset that the thing is already $200 less, but I'm not ready to storm the corporate headquarters of Apple. I got what I paid for. I could afford it. I made that decision. I'm still happy with it. I understand that some are quite upset, and they should be allowed to vent. However, if someone remains extremely upset, then stop buying Apple products.



    But, when people start threatening suits for this crap (and for things like the iPhone battery), that's when things have gone too far. I'm not going to restate all of the arguments that have been made (on either side). All have valid points. For those that are still upset by this price drop, take it as another lesson learned. You really need to keep a close and watchful eye on Apple. Steve Jobs is a marketing genius, and that's primarily what he is about.



    So, don't believe all of the stuff that comes out of his mouth....he's purely trying to move product. Just listen to his presentation yesterday (or the one in January regarding the iPhone). He's over-hyping Apple's products. That's his job.



    Again, everyone is entitled to be frustrated by the recent move, but a lawsuit? Frivolous and, unfortunately, typical. A rebate? No, but Apple may want to consider something, as this is pretty bad P.R. for them, and will likely cause some to not be loyal customers, and/or Apple may lose some of those "switchers."



    You know, it is funny that you set forth your proposal for a lawsuit and why you are upset, but then you mention that Apple will likely come out with a new 3G iPhone in 60 days, which you will not be able to resist? If your prediction is true, are you going to sue Apple for that as well, or is this change (and seeming obsolescence of your phone) well past the acceptable deadline of four months from the iPhone's first launch?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Again, the contract is two years long. Two years is not yet up. So how can they possibly have breached the part of the contract that promises features enhancements over a period of time? The period of time is not yet up. Ignoring the fact, of course, that feature updates have already been provided. Did Apple or ATT state anywhere what the feature enhancements would be? No.



    It doesn't matter how long the contract is - any party to a contract can breach it's obligations during the term of the contract. The breached party has the ability to seek a rememdy at the time of breach. There is no obligation to wait until the end of the term of the contract.
  • Reply 319 of 408
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    This is fantastic news. Was waiting for the 8GB model to become more affordable, and it happened much sooner than I expected! I might even be able to justify paying to get out of my T-Mobile contract 9 months early now...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bigal121892 View Post


    Most carriers charge $200.00 to terminate a contract, what Apple has done, is to indirectly subsidize the cost of breaking this contract.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wnurse View Post


    Nice try blaming AT&T. Gotta give you credit though.



    Bigal is right, just look at Cory's post quoted above. The "value" issue works both ways. Just as some people who bought it for $600 now think it's only worth $400, some people contemplating it for $400 think it's worth $600. The $200 price drop compensates them for early termination fees and encourages contract-breaking: "A $600 phone for $400? Great. That takes care of the early termination fee."
  • Reply 320 of 408
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,842member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by onceuponamac View Post


    It doesn't matter how long the contract is - any party to a contract can breach it's obligations during the term of the contract. The breached party has the ability to seek a rememdy at the time of breach. There is no obligation to wait until the end of the term of the contract.



    Of course it matters. There are some clauses that you can tell have been breached before the period is up e.g. if one of the clauses states "we won't slap you in the face with a kipper", then if they do slap you in the face with a kipper, the contract is breached. But if they say "we will provide you with software updates", you cannot say that they haven't provided any if the contract duration is not up yet. Besides that, they have provided software updates so the point is moot and you have no leg to stand on.
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