Jobs has said this multiple times. The media has asked him if he's sure about this, and he has clarified 10 million in 2008.
Many sources have reported this.
I'm not sure why you seem to be in such denial over this. You honestly think jobs misspoke at the keynote, let the mistake in the slide, and repeated that mistake every time he was asked about it? I'm not sure if you haven't googled this and seen the many sources on it, or if you have and just are insisting they are all wrong.
Not to mention that he was talking about market share and listed the total number of phones sold in a year. That reference wouldn't even make sense if he was talking about the number of phones sold in a year and a half, or any other length of time. How would it make any sense to show the total number of phones projected to sell in 2008, with a market share percentage, and have the ten million number refer to anything BUT the number they expect to sell in calendar year 2008?
I'd move on, it comes off as a bit ridiculous to insist that Jobs didn't mean what he said, put on a slide, and clarified multiple times afterward.
Jobs has said this multiple times. The media has asked him if he's sure about this, and he has clarified 10 million in 2008.
Many sources have reported this.
I'm not sure why you seem to be in such denial over this. You honestly think jobs misspoke at the keynote, let the mistake in the slide, and repeated that mistake every time he was asked about it? I'm not sure if you haven't googled this and seen the many sources on it, or if you have and just are insisting they are all wrong.
Go back and watch the keynote, what are his exact words there?
Ok, here's one from Daring Fireball to show you're wrong. Read the whole article. Notice that end of 2008 is mentioned three times. One by Frommer, and twice by Gruber.
Ok, here's one from Daring Fireball to show you're wrong. Read the whole article. Notice that end of 2008 is mentioned three times. One by Frommer, and twice by Gruber.
Read it. So that blogger was responding to another blogger who got it wrong, and neither gave an exact quote or source the 10 million number.
If you really want to convince me I'm wrong, give me an exact quote from an apple exec.
Ah, no.
Why don't you link to those sources that say middle of the year? The best they'll do is say "in" or "during" , which is saying nothing.
Gruber is not a blogger, as you should know. He's a very well respected developer, and quoted here constantly, as well as in other places.Neither is Frommer.
3G and 16gig soon, that's all I want on the iPhone. Sure 32gig would be nice too , but that will take longer.
I hope before the end of the year to see such iPhone.
I hope your right, and that it comes soon. The only other thing is a few software updates, and Bluetooth headphone capability. For goodness sakes Apple it is an iPod.
Why don't you link to those sources that say middle of the year? The best they'll do is say "in" or "during" , which is saying nothing.
Gruber is not a blogger, as you should know. He's a very well respected developer, and quoted here constantly, as well as in other places.Neither is Frommer.
Why don't you and minderbinder just dload the MWSF Keynote and watch that part again?
That may settle it, and it's still up on iTunes.
Note: Whatever it is, it seems like it has to be over a 12 month period. Given that cellphones are selling at about a 1 billion units per year clip worldwide, to get "1% marketshare" (which is another things Jobs emphasized during the keynote), you'd have to sell 10 million iPhones in a 12 month period.
Doing it over 18 months does not yield 1% marketshare... more like 0.7% marketshare. \
Personally, I think Steve is nuts thinking he can sell 10 million iPhones (even if it's iPhone2) by the end of next year. He doesn't have enough variety in his product offerings ("good, better, best" price levels) to whittle away at the competition. With Europe opening up, there will be plenty of pent-up demand... but, damn!
Personally, I think Steve is nuts thinking he can sell 10 million iPhones (even if it's iPhone2) by the end of next year. He doesn't have enough variety in his product offerings ("good, better, best" price levels) to whittle away at the competition. With Europe opening up, there will be plenty of pent-up demand... but, damn!
I regularly agree with you Spam, but not in this instance. We'll not only see sales of 10 million iPhones in 2008, we'll see sales of 20 million, maybe even 25 million. 3G iPhones, 16 and 32GB iPhones, in both black and silver. And 4 and 8GB iPhone nanos in all colors
Why don't you and minderbinder just dload the MWSF Keynote and watch that part again?
That may settle it, and it's still up on iTunes.
Note: Whatever it is, it seems like it has to be over a 12 month period. Given that cellphones are selling at about a 1 billion units per year clip worldwide, to get "1% marketshare" (which is another things Jobs emphasized during the keynote), you'd have to sell 10 million iPhones in a 12 month period.
Doing it over 18 months does not yield 1% marketshare... more like 0.7% marketshare. \
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Neither figure may result in that 1%, as cell sales are going up all the time. Personally, I really don't care that much. We'll find out at the appropriate time.
Well, at the rate they're going right now (1 million iPhones in ~74 days), that equals about 4.9 million iPhones in 2008. They better step it up a lil bit, dropping the price was a good start, but what's next?
I regularly agree with you Spam, but not in this instance. We'll not only see sales of 10 million iPhones in 2008, we'll see sales of 20 million, maybe even 25 million. 3G iPhones, 16 and 32GB iPhones, in both black and silver. And 4 and 8GB iPhone nanos in all colors
I want that to happen too, but Apple will really have to step up their iPhone offerings to make it happen. They met the 1M level OK... I'll remain open minded for now...
I think it depends a lot on the frequency used. A lot of the current WiMax licenses are in 'near-garbage' spectrum (2.5 GHz), meaning that they don't penetrate walls or buildings very well. Generally speaking, the higher the freq, the worse the penetration. \
But I believe the upcoming spectrum auction is selling off the 700 MHz band, which DOES penetrate walls/buildings quite well indeed.
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At what frequency does it start to cook our brains and internal organs?
Apple will really have to step up their iPhone offerings to make it happen.
Agreed!
Apple need a cheap iPhone version. Something in the $200 price range. Simple phone with few extra features. 2gig storage. Smaller size. Call it the iPhone Nano if you want.
Plus 3G and higher storage for the iPhone is very important. Prices I think will stay like they are now for long time. Maybe the 16gig version at $499.
3) IF the new 3G phones are coming this positions the pricing much much better. Apple always seems to strive to rational pricing structures for its product line.
Yes it does.
I would expect that Apple looked at the iPod Touch pricing, they looked at the current sale rate of iPhones, and the expected introduction of better iPhones, and worked out what they HOPE is the sweetspot for selling the current phones at a rate that keeps up some great momentum AND once the new phones are added will result in a smooth transition to 2 new models (or whatever).
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Yeah, and that's not even including iPhone nano
Which is pretty much a given, and a certain multiple-million seller.
Didn't he say 1% of the smart phone market was 10million?
I'd guess that an iPhone Nano would be looking for its own 1 or 2% of the regular cell phone market?
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Many sources have reported this.
I'm not sure why you seem to be in such denial over this. You honestly think jobs misspoke at the keynote, let the mistake in the slide, and repeated that mistake every time he was asked about it? I'm not sure if you haven't googled this and seen the many sources on it, or if you have and just are insisting they are all wrong.
Not to mention that he was talking about market share and listed the total number of phones sold in a year. That reference wouldn't even make sense if he was talking about the number of phones sold in a year and a half, or any other length of time. How would it make any sense to show the total number of phones projected to sell in 2008, with a market share percentage, and have the ten million number refer to anything BUT the number they expect to sell in calendar year 2008?
I'd move on, it comes off as a bit ridiculous to insist that Jobs didn't mean what he said, put on a slide, and clarified multiple times afterward.
Jobs has said this multiple times. The media has asked him if he's sure about this, and he has clarified 10 million in 2008.
Many sources have reported this.
I'm not sure why you seem to be in such denial over this. You honestly think jobs misspoke at the keynote, let the mistake in the slide, and repeated that mistake every time he was asked about it? I'm not sure if you haven't googled this and seen the many sources on it, or if you have and just are insisting they are all wrong.
Go back and watch the keynote, what are his exact words there?
Ok, here's one from Daring Fireball to show you're wrong. Read the whole article. Notice that end of 2008 is mentioned three times. One by Frommer, and twice by Gruber.
http://daringfireball.net/
Ok, here's one from Daring Fireball to show you're wrong. Read the whole article. Notice that end of 2008 is mentioned three times. One by Frommer, and twice by Gruber.
http://daringfireball.net/
Read it. So that blogger was responding to another blogger who got it wrong, and neither gave an exact quote or source the 10 million number.
If you really want to convince me I'm wrong, give me an exact quote from an apple exec.
Read it. So that blogger was responding to another blogger who got it wrong, and neither gave an exact quote or source the 10 million number.
If you really want to convince me I'm wrong, give me an exact quote from an apple exec.
Ah, no.
Why don't you link to those sources that say middle of the year? The best they'll do is say "in" or "during" , which is saying nothing.
Gruber is not a blogger, as you should know. He's a very well respected developer, and quoted here constantly, as well as in other places.Neither is Frommer.
Not 10 million by the end of 2008, "10 million IN 2008".
Believe it yet?
Yeah, and that's not even including iPhone nano
Which is pretty much a given, and a certain multiple-million seller.
I hope before the end of the year to see such iPhone.
Just to send shivers down your spine what if Microsoft attempted to buy the wireless spectrum.
Yeah, Just like we were quaking in our boots over the iPod Killing ZUNE. Wait did they sell a million of those???
3G and 16gig soon, that's all I want on the iPhone. Sure 32gig would be nice too
I hope before the end of the year to see such iPhone.
I hope your right, and that it comes soon. The only other thing is a few software updates, and Bluetooth headphone capability. For goodness sakes Apple it is an iPod.
Ah, no.
Why don't you link to those sources that say middle of the year? The best they'll do is say "in" or "during" , which is saying nothing.
Gruber is not a blogger, as you should know. He's a very well respected developer, and quoted here constantly, as well as in other places.Neither is Frommer.
Why don't you and minderbinder just dload the MWSF Keynote and watch that part again?
That may settle it, and it's still up on iTunes.
Note: Whatever it is, it seems like it has to be over a 12 month period. Given that cellphones are selling at about a 1 billion units per year clip worldwide, to get "1% marketshare" (which is another things Jobs emphasized during the keynote), you'd have to sell 10 million iPhones in a 12 month period.
Doing it over 18 months does not yield 1% marketshare... more like 0.7% marketshare.
.
Personally, I think Steve is nuts thinking he can sell 10 million iPhones (even if it's iPhone2) by the end of next year. He doesn't have enough variety in his product offerings ("good, better, best" price levels) to whittle away at the competition. With Europe opening up, there will be plenty of pent-up demand... but, damn!
I regularly agree with you Spam, but not in this instance. We'll not only see sales of 10 million iPhones in 2008, we'll see sales of 20 million, maybe even 25 million. 3G iPhones, 16 and 32GB iPhones, in both black and silver. And 4 and 8GB iPhone nanos in all colors
Why don't you and minderbinder just dload the MWSF Keynote and watch that part again?
That may settle it, and it's still up on iTunes.
Note: Whatever it is, it seems like it has to be over a 12 month period. Given that cellphones are selling at about a 1 billion units per year clip worldwide, to get "1% marketshare" (which is another things Jobs emphasized during the keynote), you'd have to sell 10 million iPhones in a 12 month period.
Doing it over 18 months does not yield 1% marketshare... more like 0.7% marketshare.
.
Neither figure may result in that 1%, as cell sales are going up all the time. Personally, I really don't care that much. We'll find out at the appropriate time.
Neither figure may result in that 1%, as cell sales are going up all the time.
Yeah, but even then, over a 12 month period, 10 million iPhones sold won't miss 1% by much.
10 million sold over 18 months will miss 1% by a LOT more.
I agree with you though, it's not that big a deal.
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I regularly agree with you Spam, but not in this instance. We'll not only see sales of 10 million iPhones in 2008, we'll see sales of 20 million, maybe even 25 million. 3G iPhones, 16 and 32GB iPhones, in both black and silver. And 4 and 8GB iPhone nanos in all colors
I want that to happen too, but Apple will really have to step up their iPhone offerings to make it happen. They met the 1M level OK... I'll remain open minded for now...
I think it depends a lot on the frequency used. A lot of the current WiMax licenses are in 'near-garbage' spectrum (2.5 GHz), meaning that they don't penetrate walls or buildings very well. Generally speaking, the higher the freq, the worse the penetration.
But I believe the upcoming spectrum auction is selling off the 700 MHz band, which DOES penetrate walls/buildings quite well indeed.
.
At what frequency does it start to cook our brains and internal organs?
Apple will really have to step up their iPhone offerings to make it happen.
Agreed!
Apple need a cheap iPhone version. Something in the $200 price range. Simple phone with few extra features. 2gig storage. Smaller size. Call it the iPhone Nano if you want.
Plus 3G and higher storage for the iPhone is very important. Prices I think will stay like they are now for long time. Maybe the 16gig version at $499.
3) IF the new 3G phones are coming this positions the pricing much much better. Apple always seems to strive to rational pricing structures for its product line.
Yes it does.
I would expect that Apple looked at the iPod Touch pricing, they looked at the current sale rate of iPhones, and the expected introduction of better iPhones, and worked out what they HOPE is the sweetspot for selling the current phones at a rate that keeps up some great momentum AND once the new phones are added will result in a smooth transition to 2 new models (or whatever).
Yeah, and that's not even including iPhone nano
Which is pretty much a given, and a certain multiple-million seller.
Didn't he say 1% of the smart phone market was 10million?
I'd guess that an iPhone Nano would be looking for its own 1 or 2% of the regular cell phone market?