They did not update features! The standard configurations that existed before yesterday still exist, for exactly the same price as before. This is not an update. Additional options were added for those you desire to add them for an additional price.
This is not an update in the same vein as e.g. adding penryn to the entire lineup or changing the form-factor.
See the MacRumors buying guide. (and note that yes, they have updated the MacBook entry.)
Additional Options - Additional Features, call them what you like.
When there is choice of a new processor involved it is an incremental update. You can now choose a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo processor and a larger hard drive. It's an update. 6 mos.
Sold inclusive? That would drive up the price for the 80% of customers who don't need it.
I'm afraid i haven't stated it clearly the ADAPTERS to be included is what i meant , not cables but yes you're right, one can never know ,you could need a VGA as well so as it is today if you actually need it you can afford it for a spare amount of $.
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You can now choose a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo processor and a larger hard drive. It's an update. 6 mos.
You're soooo not right ! YEs it is an update - the some-extras-update not a MBP update, and hell a way from smth serious ,.. like Montevina - which could be expected after 6 more months,,.. till than we gotta stick with the stupid Penryns .
All things considered i think i'll go for the 2.4 15'', anyone know how much depreciation would be, roughly, if i was to sell it in summer for an upgrade? I'm just not sure i can stand vista for much longer.
I haven't bought the last MBP because of several reasons:
1.There isn't SSD-buffer - and it is like WTF ,dude !! How can it possibly be !? well if it was something holding it down -it had to be the software - voila Leopard is out ....now what are you waiting for ?
If you need a SSD buffer you have a perfectly functioning expresscard slot that practically no one uses. You can get a 32GB expresscard SSD for under $600. A 16GB one for less than $200.
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2.Maximum battery life - actually 3-4 hours just isn't enough for serious workers .
Buy a second battery or get an ultraportable. The MBP is a pretty hefty machine capability wise and all that sucks power.
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3. stupid normal DVI connector, while the Macbooks have the logical mini DVI.
Because I like messing with dongles I can lose right before a presentation and look like a dork.
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4.the macbooks again have these great magnets ,for closing it tight ,. and the MBPs are still left with those stupid hooks .
I'm sure this will get updated the next rev. In any case the stupid hooks still work on my MBP.
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And NOW , when it comes to this significant macbook upgrade ... WHERE is the difference between MB and MBP ?!?
The GPU. Are you kidding? The GMA X3100 still sucks for any 3D work especially with Intel's drivers so screwed up. Maybe if they didn't suck it would have been okay. That has been the major difference between the two from day 1.
Looks like they updated features to just about everybody but you.
That doesn't mean the same thing and you know it. The last true update of the MBP was the upgrade to Santa Rosa. This is even less than a processor bump since its just an optional BTO processor bump.
There's no reason not to expect a MBP rev with mobile Penryn. Now is not a good time to buy a MBP if you expect Intel to hold to their schedule.
If you need a SSD buffer you have a perfectly functioning expresscard slot that practically no one uses. You can get a 32GB expresscard SSD for under $600. A 16GB one for less than $200.
It just doesn't work that way , even if i had the extra cash.It needs full OS support.. so i guess after Leopard has already popped out... i suppose it could very well happen for us.
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Buy a second battery or get an ultraportable. The MBP is a pretty hefty machine capability wise and all that sucks power.
You're right , yet changing sucks just the way you get those gadgets lost in the way.
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Originally Posted by vinea
The GPU. Are you kidding? The GMA X3100 still sucks for any 3D work especially with Intel's drivers so screwed up. Maybe if they didn't suck it would have been okay. That has been the major difference between the two from day 1.
Well yeah , but if you need it ...most people don't .. i guess.
It just doesn't work that way , even if i had the extra cash.It needs full OS support.. so i guess after Leopard has already popped out... i suppose it could very well happen for us.
There are folks that have installed Leopard onto an ExpressCard SSD and booted from it. There is a speed up in that mode.
You can certainly use the SSD to speed some things up and no, you don't need readyboost like features to do so.
It would be nice if we could move the sleepimage over to the SSD if the SSD exists.
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Well yeah , but if you need it ...most people don't .. i guess.
Riiight. People have been whining about the integrated graphics in the MB since day one.
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They did not update features! The standard configurations that existed before yesterday still exist, for exactly the same price as before. This is not an update. Additional options were added for those you desire to add them for an additional price.
This is not an update in the same vein as e.g. adding penryn to the entire lineup or changing the form-factor.
See the MacRumors buying guide. (and note that yes, they have updated the MacBook entry.)
Additional Options - Additional Features, call them what you like.
When there is choice of a new processor involved it is an incremental update. You can now choose a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo processor and a larger hard drive. It's an update. 6 mos.
Sold inclusive? That would drive up the price for the 80% of customers who don't need it.
I'm afraid i haven't stated it clearly the ADAPTERS to be included is what i meant , not cables
You can now choose a 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo processor and a larger hard drive. It's an update. 6 mos.
You're soooo not right ! YEs it is an update - the some-extras-update not a MBP update, and hell a way from smth serious ,.. like Montevina - which
- all new designs, which happen ever few years
e.g. from the TiBook to the aluminium PowerBooks
- speedbumps where each price point is faster than before, which happen about twice a year
e.g. today's changes to the MacBook, and
- updated build to order options
e.g. today's changes to the MacBook Pro.
I haven't bought the last MBP because of several reasons:
1.There isn't SSD-buffer - and it is like WTF ,dude !! How can it possibly be !? well if it was something holding it down -it had to be the software - voila Leopard is out ....now what are you waiting for ?
If you need a SSD buffer you have a perfectly functioning expresscard slot that practically no one uses. You can get a 32GB expresscard SSD for under $600. A 16GB one for less than $200.
2.Maximum battery life - actually 3-4 hours just isn't enough for serious workers .
Buy a second battery or get an ultraportable. The MBP is a pretty hefty machine capability wise and all that sucks power.
3. stupid normal DVI connector, while the Macbooks have the logical mini DVI.
Because I like messing with dongles I can lose right before a presentation and look like a dork.
4.the macbooks again have these great magnets ,for closing it tight ,. and the MBPs are still left with those stupid hooks .
I'm sure this will get updated the next rev. In any case the stupid hooks still work on my MBP.
And NOW , when it comes to this significant macbook upgrade ... WHERE is the difference between MB and MBP ?!?
The GPU. Are you kidding? The GMA X3100 still sucks for any 3D work especially with Intel's drivers so screwed up. Maybe if they didn't suck it would have been okay. That has been the major difference between the two from day 1.
Apple updates MacBook, MacBook Pro
Looks like they updated features to just about everybody but you.
That doesn't mean the same thing and you know it. The last true update of the MBP was the upgrade to Santa Rosa. This is even less than a processor bump since its just an optional BTO processor bump.
There's no reason not to expect a MBP rev with mobile Penryn. Now is not a good time to buy a MBP if you expect Intel to hold to their schedule.
If you need a SSD buffer you have a perfectly functioning expresscard slot that practically no one uses. You can get a 32GB expresscard SSD for under $600. A 16GB one for less than $200.
It just doesn't work that way , even if i had the extra cash.It needs full OS support.. so i guess after Leopard has already popped out... i suppose it could very well happen for us.
Buy a second battery or get an ultraportable. The MBP is a pretty hefty machine capability wise and all that sucks power.
You're right , yet changing sucks just the way you get those gadgets lost in the way.
The GPU. Are you kidding? The GMA X3100 still sucks for any 3D work especially with Intel's drivers so screwed up. Maybe if they didn't suck it would have been okay. That has been the major difference between the two from day 1.
Well yeah , but if you need it ...most people don't .. i guess.
It just doesn't work that way , even if i had the extra cash.It needs full OS support.. so i guess after Leopard has already popped out... i suppose it could very well happen for us.
There are folks that have installed Leopard onto an ExpressCard SSD and booted from it. There is a speed up in that mode.
You can certainly use the SSD to speed some things up and no, you don't need readyboost like features to do so.
It would be nice if we could move the sleepimage over to the SSD if the SSD exists.
Well yeah , but if you need it ...most people don't .. i guess.
Riiight. People have been whining about the integrated graphics in the MB since day one.