You probably have some spyware on your computer that's causing that.
Besides all the major web browsers support Pop-up Blocker. You can also install yahoo or google toolbars that have that function. Can't believe there are people out there still being plagued by Pop-ups.
I don't use IE. Stop making excuses for AppleInsider, it is only this site that has them - on the article pages - and whilst Firefox catches 90% of them (with the message at the top of the webpage), a few squirm through, including said porn popup.
Can someone clear this up for me? Does O2 not have their own retail stores like the cellular companies in the US do? Is this why they're partnering with Carphone Warehouse? I'm assuming Carphone Warehouse has a huge presence there?
There's an insane amount of phone shops in the UK with the anachronistically named Carphone having the biggest presence.
As an example, in my local shopping mall, I will be able to buy the iPhone at:
1) The Apple Store
2) The O2 Store
3) Carphone Warehouse in the Arcade
4) Carphone Warehouse in the High Street!
5) Carphone Warehouse in the Oasis!!
I won't be able to buy the iPhone at
The Orange Store
The 3 Store
The Vodafone Store
The TMobile Store
The Phones 4u store
or Argos
It's also worth pointing out that are all fully-fledged units - not the hand-cart style mini-shops you see in US malls.
One of the Carphone staff said that their store would be getting 500 units. So I might just be able to find one.
Yes, O2 do have their own retail stores, but in the UK Carphone Warehouse is widely regarded as the best place to buy a new mobile as they are very good at giving impartial advice. They are very big here, whereas private retail stores are not seen as often, and used even less so. Without the Carphone Warehouse, roll-out would be less.
On another note, been told by someone who works at Carphone Warehouse that Apple have completely shafted O2 and Carphone Warehouse. All profits from the contract go straight to Apple, with O2 only making money if we go over the agreed plan. Carphone Warehouse would normally get £12 for every new contract, but with the iPhone, they're only getting £3. That's how desirable the iPhone is over here to companies.
Well, given that O2 and Carphone Warehouse agreed to these terms (I'm assuming Carphone Warehouse wasn't obligated to carry the iPhone), I think they were less "shafted" than "made a business decision based on what they perceived the potential profits to be."
If they are forgoing revenue stream by one means and didn't see a way to make that back and more by other means, they would never have agreed to deal with the iPhone in the first place.
There always seems to be a lot of talk about how Apple is screwing over partners, as if the iPhone had been mandated by law and the poor carriers and retailers were forced to accept Apple's horrible, lopsided terms or face being brought up on charges.
Whether it sells 200,000 or a million, it still doesn't change the fact it's feature-lite, restricted and way, way, way overpriced.
Change the fact?
If a device sells well, it *cannot* be over-priced. Over-Priced means people don't buy it because they don't see the price being worth the benefit. For instance the lamentable PS3.
Markets are clever like that.
As for "feature lite" - Feature-by- feature comparisons seem to be some unwritten law of gadget physics.
LAW 1 - Device A is always better than Device B where Device A has more features.
You hear it all the time...
"The Zune is better than the iPod because it has a squirting feature."
"My WindowsMobile phone has had web browsing for years. What's so cool about the iPhone?"
"The lack of MMS is a deal breaker for me!"
What a crock! One good feature, properly implemented, is worth a hundred crapware features shoehorned into a device.
It's funny that the market gets this. People respond to great design and excellent implementation by spending hard cash. But pundits and geeks don't get it.
The problem though isnt the lack of maybe 1 or 2 minor features its many.
Not being able to forward sms, inability to cut and paste text, inability to record video or blog, inability to use your own music as a ringtone. Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
The other factor is the rubbish price plan. If you want to give data fine then do it as an add on but dont take out voice minutes and text. £35 for 200 minutes and texts is pathetic. You can get triple that for less than the same price and still get an unlimited data add on for £5-£10 a month.
Im sure it will sell ok but I dont think its going to create the shit storm Jobs is expecting. He clearly hasnt researched the EU market enough.
The problem though isnt the lack of maybe 1 or 2 minor features its many.
Not being able to forward sms, inability to cut and paste text, inability to record video or blog, inability to use your own music as a ringtone. Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
Forwarding SMS - there's deal breaker!
Here's one feature the iPhone has: It does not suck.
That's it. The entire feature set that matters.
My Sony Ericsson has IMap email, records video, plays music, browses the web. I can even use my own music as a ringtone. I can put crappy Java games on it. Features galore, But here's the thing: It's utterly rubbish. It sucks at them all.
The web browser is so lame as to be unusable. The Imap client has an invalid security certificate. There's no way to organise music. Video quality is execrable.
The entire mobile phone industry has been trundling on for years. Making lousy products and arguing that adding features equates to making their products better. Thank goodness that Apple is going to make them think again.
The problem though isnt the lack of maybe 1 or 2 minor features its many.
Not being able to forward sms, inability to cut and paste text, inability to record video or blog, inability to use your own music as a ringtone. Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
The other factor is the rubbish price plan. If you want to give data fine then do it as an add on but dont take out voice minutes and text. £35 for 200 minutes and texts is pathetic. You can get triple that for less than the same price and still get an unlimited data add on for £5-£10 a month.
Im sure it will sell ok but I dont think its going to create the shit storm Jobs is expecting. He clearly hasnt researched the EU market enough.
There's an international conference here in San Diego this week that I was attending (Society for Neuroscience). I can tell you that at least half of the UK people I met with were planning to be at an O2 store on Friday to get an iPhone. They were very please with the Phone, pricing and data plans. I think Apple has done their research quite well, especially by ignoring the 'expert' users.
Well, given that O2 and Carphone Warehouse agreed to these terms (I'm assuming Carphone Warehouse wasn't obligated to carry the iPhone), I think they were less "shafted" than "made a business decision based on what they perceived the potential profits to be."
If they are forgoing revenue stream by one means and didn't see a way to make that back and more by other means, they would never have agreed to deal with the iPhone in the first place.
There always seems to be a lot of talk about how Apple is screwing over partners, as if the iPhone had been mandated by law and the poor carriers and retailers were forced to accept Apple's horrible, lopsided terms or face being brought up on charges.
Fair point. But it does go to show that Apple have something that people really want, and despite the premium. Here's hoping it works out well for everyone. I'm certainly trying to get one on Friday in Newcastle.
1) It DOES mean its NOT overpriced. Over priced means too high to sell. This is real value pricing - charging what a market believes its worth.
Bullcrap. The market isn't deciding a price here. There's only one seller and one price - Apple and O2. Buyers have the choice of buying it or not. They don't have a range of prices depending on their plan. They don't have a range of plans. They don't have a range of carriers. They barely have a range of retailers (O2, Apple and Carphone Warehouse).
By all measures - ie. other handsets, retailers and other plans, it's expensive. There may be people out there willing to pay that much but don't pretend market forces are deciding the price here or that it isn't expensive.
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Originally Posted by physguy
2) It doesn't wash my dog either - doesn't mean it feature-lite, just means its 'feature-accurate' - having what the market really wants.
'the market' isn't the buyer. It's 'some people' where 'some people' = people who only need a subset of a modern phone's functionality, don't mind the missing bits and can afford the price and 18 month plan. Or it's people who must buy the latest fashionable gadget. Or whatever. It's not however 'the market'.
Quote:
Originally Posted by physguy
We'll see, but I'm betting sells really well.
Define 'really well' ?
200,000 doesn't seem much like 'really well' to me.
I hope it doesn't do 'really well' and it gives Apple pause for thought.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carniphage
Change the fact?
If a device sells well, it *cannot* be over-priced. Over-Priced means people don't buy it because they don't see the price being worth the benefit. For instance the lamentable PS3.
Markets are clever like that.
The Nokia based Vertu phones sell well too. Are they overpriced? I'd say so. Yet people are still prepared to pay for an S40 based Nokia in a shinier case with a fashion brand attached.
The PS3 outsells the Xbox360 2-to-1 in the UK btw and only a few thousand less than the Wii.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carniphage
As for "feature lite" - Feature-by- feature comparisons seem to be some unwritten law of gadget physics.
LAW 1 - Device A is always better than Device B where Device A has more features.
When did I say more features were better?
I simply said the iPhone was light on features for the money. It's up to you if you think a lack of features is an advantage or not. I'm sat here with a one button mouse as I prefer it to multi button mice so I'm not adverse to simplicity in interfaces either.
Some of us however need features. I _need_ an ssh client on my phone. No ssh, no sale. I can live without pretty much any of the other restrictions. I'd prefer it on Orange too as I use Orange's two lines on one handset functionality.
Quote:
Originally Posted by physguy
There's an international conference here in San Diego this week that I was attending (Society for Neuroscience). I can tell you that at least half of the UK people I met with were planning to be at an O2 store on Friday to get an iPhone.
The market isn't deciding a price here. There's only one seller and one price - Apple and O2. Buyers have the choice of buying it or not. By all measures - ie. other handsets, retailers and other plans, it's expensive. There may be people out there willing to pay that much but don't pretend market forces are deciding the price here or that it isn't expensive.
But that's what it means for a market to assign value. If people are willing to buy a service especially when there are cheaper alternatives the market has decided the service was worth the price it was sold for. If the market does not feel the service is worth the price few people buy it.
But that's what it means for a market to assign value. If people are willing to buy a service especially when there are cheaper alternatives the market has decided the service was worth the price it was sold for. If the market does not feel the service is worth the price few people buy it.
And it would appear few people will be if O2's CEO is only expecting 200,000 in the run up to Xmas. That's not very many.
Bullcrap. The market isn't deciding a price here. There's only one seller and one price - Apple and O2. Buyers have the choice of buying it or not. They don't have a range of prices depending on their plan. They don't have a range of plans. They don't have a range of carriers. They barely have a range of retailers (O2, Apple and Carphone Warehouse).
By all measures - ie. other handsets, retailers and other plans, it's expensive. There may be people out there willing to pay that much but don't pretend market forces are deciding the price here or that it isn't expensive.
'the market' isn't the buyer. It's 'some people' where 'some people' = people who only need a subset of a modern phone's functionality, don't mind the missing bits and can afford the price and 18 month plan. Or it's people who must buy the latest fashionable gadget. Or whatever. It's not however 'the market'.
If you insist on defining terms to meet your conclusions.... well you will always be right but its really not much fun. For most people the market is any group that buys a product.
The real conclusion is one of the following,
1) The other phones are underpriced, or, wait for it..........
2) They're crap or....
3) The correct answer is - they're not serving the whole market - ta da .
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegisdesign
Define 'really well' ?
200,000 doesn't seem much like 'really well' to me.
I hope it doesn't do 'really well' and it gives Apple pause for thought.
Apple defined this for you - 10 million is 2008. That's what they designed for. As long as Apple makes the revenue and margin they aimed for they met their target. 200,000 in the first weeks sounds pretty darn good to me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegisdesign
The Nokia based Vertu phones sell well too. Are they overpriced? I'd say so. Yet people are still prepared to pay for an S40 based Nokia in a shinier case with a fashion brand attached.
Maybe someday grasshopper you'll acknowledge the concepts of value pricing and targeted marketing. Just because you think a given segment of the population are 'idiots' for paying a given price for a given product doesn't mean some provider shouldn't try to fill those 'idiot's' requirements.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegisdesign
When did I say more features were better?
I simply said the iPhone was light on features for the money. It's up to you if you think a lack of features is an advantage or not. I'm sat here with a one button mouse as I prefer it to multi button mice so I'm not adverse to simplicity in interfaces either.
Some of us however need features. I _need_ an ssh client on my phone. No ssh, no sale. I can live without pretty much any of the other restrictions. I'd prefer it on Orange too as I use Orange's two lines on one handset functionality.
Queues of brain surgeons? What do they know?
OK, stop contradicting your self. If you think that its 'light on features for the money' the direct implication is more features would be worth the money, and in any economic discussion you assume that customers pay more money for better things. Ergo, more features are better.
Now 'Some of us []need features' is most certainly true but turning that around into (parapharse) 'a lack of feature makes it a flop, or undesirable, or....' is not true.
So far the iPhone sales performance has proven these assertions wrong. The current trend in many discussion is to now raise the targets the iPhone 'should have aimed for' so that, once again it can be dubbed as missing its goals.
Apple will have totally blown their chances with 0.00001% of the market.
C.
I fully admit it's an esoteric request but it's still 100% necessary for me and pretty much any other server admin that doesn't want to be tied to a desk. Otherwise I'd be forced to carry around an iPhone AND another phone that has that feature.
Back in the pre-3rd party crackdown days, the iPhone had an ssh client. Hopefully they'll put it back come February.
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Safari menu > Block Pop-Up Windows
Now that wasn;t so hard. I suspect AI has limited control over exactly which ads appear.
It would be nice if Safari would add the ability to add exceptions to blocking pop up windows like FireFox has.
Pretty much, every browser has popup blocking.
Quite a few of the pop ups on this site are bypassing Firefox's popup blocker.
It's really unprofessional and makes the site look sleazy.
You probably have some spyware on your computer that's causing that.
Besides all the major web browsers support Pop-up Blocker. You can also install yahoo or google toolbars that have that function. Can't believe there are people out there still being plagued by Pop-ups.
I don't use IE. Stop making excuses for AppleInsider, it is only this site that has them - on the article pages - and whilst Firefox catches 90% of them (with the message at the top of the webpage), a few squirm through, including said porn popup.
Can someone clear this up for me? Does O2 not have their own retail stores like the cellular companies in the US do? Is this why they're partnering with Carphone Warehouse? I'm assuming Carphone Warehouse has a huge presence there?
There's an insane amount of phone shops in the UK with the anachronistically named Carphone having the biggest presence.
As an example, in my local shopping mall, I will be able to buy the iPhone at:
1) The Apple Store
2) The O2 Store
3) Carphone Warehouse in the Arcade
4) Carphone Warehouse in the High Street!
5) Carphone Warehouse in the Oasis!!
I won't be able to buy the iPhone at
The Orange Store
The 3 Store
The Vodafone Store
The TMobile Store
The Phones 4u store
or Argos
It's also worth pointing out that are all fully-fledged units - not the hand-cart style mini-shops you see in US malls.
One of the Carphone staff said that their store would be getting 500 units. So I might just be able to find one.
C.
Yes, O2 do have their own retail stores, but in the UK Carphone Warehouse is widely regarded as the best place to buy a new mobile as they are very good at giving impartial advice. They are very big here, whereas private retail stores are not seen as often, and used even less so. Without the Carphone Warehouse, roll-out would be less.
On another note, been told by someone who works at Carphone Warehouse that Apple have completely shafted O2 and Carphone Warehouse. All profits from the contract go straight to Apple, with O2 only making money if we go over the agreed plan. Carphone Warehouse would normally get £12 for every new contract, but with the iPhone, they're only getting £3. That's how desirable the iPhone is over here to companies.
Well, given that O2 and Carphone Warehouse agreed to these terms (I'm assuming Carphone Warehouse wasn't obligated to carry the iPhone), I think they were less "shafted" than "made a business decision based on what they perceived the potential profits to be."
If they are forgoing revenue stream by one means and didn't see a way to make that back and more by other means, they would never have agreed to deal with the iPhone in the first place.
There always seems to be a lot of talk about how Apple is screwing over partners, as if the iPhone had been mandated by law and the poor carriers and retailers were forced to accept Apple's horrible, lopsided terms or face being brought up on charges.
Whether it sells 200,000 or a million, it still doesn't change the fact it's feature-lite, restricted and way, way, way overpriced.
Incidentally, on Ars they were reporting that the iPod Touch was to get free WiFi access via The Cloud.
Roll on February.
1) It DOES mean its NOT overpriced. Over priced means too high to sell. This is real value pricing - charging what a market believes its worth.
2) It doesn't wash my dog either - doesn't mean it feature-lite, just means its 'feature-accurate' - having what the market really wants.
We'll see, but I'm betting sells really well.
Whether it sells 200,000 or a million, it still doesn't change the fact it's feature-lite, restricted and way, way, way overpriced.
Change the fact?
If a device sells well, it *cannot* be over-priced. Over-Priced means people don't buy it because they don't see the price being worth the benefit. For instance the lamentable PS3.
Markets are clever like that.
As for "feature lite" - Feature-by- feature comparisons seem to be some unwritten law of gadget physics.
LAW 1 - Device A is always better than Device B where Device A has more features.
You hear it all the time...
"The Zune is better than the iPod because it has a squirting feature."
"My WindowsMobile phone has had web browsing for years. What's so cool about the iPhone?"
"The lack of MMS is a deal breaker for me!"
What a crock! One good feature, properly implemented, is worth a hundred crapware features shoehorned into a device.
It's funny that the market gets this. People respond to great design and excellent implementation by spending hard cash. But pundits and geeks don't get it.
C.
Not being able to forward sms, inability to cut and paste text, inability to record video or blog, inability to use your own music as a ringtone. Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
The other factor is the rubbish price plan. If you want to give data fine then do it as an add on but dont take out voice minutes and text. £35 for 200 minutes and texts is pathetic. You can get triple that for less than the same price and still get an unlimited data add on for £5-£10 a month.
Im sure it will sell ok but I dont think its going to create the shit storm Jobs is expecting. He clearly hasnt researched the EU market enough.
The problem though isnt the lack of maybe 1 or 2 minor features its many.
Not being able to forward sms, inability to cut and paste text, inability to record video or blog, inability to use your own music as a ringtone. Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
Forwarding SMS - there's deal breaker!
Here's one feature the iPhone has: It does not suck.
That's it. The entire feature set that matters.
My Sony Ericsson has IMap email, records video, plays music, browses the web. I can even use my own music as a ringtone. I can put crappy Java games on it. Features galore, But here's the thing: It's utterly rubbish. It sucks at them all.
The web browser is so lame as to be unusable. The Imap client has an invalid security certificate. There's no way to organise music. Video quality is execrable.
The entire mobile phone industry has been trundling on for years. Making lousy products and arguing that adding features equates to making their products better. Thank goodness that Apple is going to make them think again.
C.
The problem though isnt the lack of maybe 1 or 2 minor features its many.
Not being able to forward sms, inability to cut and paste text, inability to record video or blog, inability to use your own music as a ringtone. Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
The other factor is the rubbish price plan. If you want to give data fine then do it as an add on but dont take out voice minutes and text. £35 for 200 minutes and texts is pathetic. You can get triple that for less than the same price and still get an unlimited data add on for £5-£10 a month.
Im sure it will sell ok but I dont think its going to create the shit storm Jobs is expecting. He clearly hasnt researched the EU market enough.
There's an international conference here in San Diego this week that I was attending (Society for Neuroscience). I can tell you that at least half of the UK people I met with were planning to be at an O2 store on Friday to get an iPhone. They were very please with the Phone, pricing and data plans. I think Apple has done their research quite well, especially by ignoring the 'expert' users.
BTW bav, its November.
Well, given that O2 and Carphone Warehouse agreed to these terms (I'm assuming Carphone Warehouse wasn't obligated to carry the iPhone), I think they were less "shafted" than "made a business decision based on what they perceived the potential profits to be."
If they are forgoing revenue stream by one means and didn't see a way to make that back and more by other means, they would never have agreed to deal with the iPhone in the first place.
There always seems to be a lot of talk about how Apple is screwing over partners, as if the iPhone had been mandated by law and the poor carriers and retailers were forced to accept Apple's horrible, lopsided terms or face being brought up on charges.
Fair point. But it does go to show that Apple have something that people really want, and despite the premium. Here's hoping it works out well for everyone. I'm certainly trying to get one on Friday in Newcastle.
Its a great product but Apple didnt do themselves any favours and im not even mentioning 3G.
How quickly we forget. When Jobs announced the phone in the UK he said the iPhone would get 3G around late 2008.
1) It DOES mean its NOT overpriced. Over priced means too high to sell. This is real value pricing - charging what a market believes its worth.
Bullcrap. The market isn't deciding a price here. There's only one seller and one price - Apple and O2. Buyers have the choice of buying it or not. They don't have a range of prices depending on their plan. They don't have a range of plans. They don't have a range of carriers. They barely have a range of retailers (O2, Apple and Carphone Warehouse).
By all measures - ie. other handsets, retailers and other plans, it's expensive. There may be people out there willing to pay that much but don't pretend market forces are deciding the price here or that it isn't expensive.
2) It doesn't wash my dog either - doesn't mean it feature-lite, just means its 'feature-accurate' - having what the market really wants.
'the market' isn't the buyer. It's 'some people' where 'some people' = people who only need a subset of a modern phone's functionality, don't mind the missing bits and can afford the price and 18 month plan. Or it's people who must buy the latest fashionable gadget. Or whatever. It's not however 'the market'.
We'll see, but I'm betting sells really well.
Define 'really well' ?
200,000 doesn't seem much like 'really well' to me.
I hope it doesn't do 'really well' and it gives Apple pause for thought.
Change the fact?
If a device sells well, it *cannot* be over-priced. Over-Priced means people don't buy it because they don't see the price being worth the benefit. For instance the lamentable PS3.
Markets are clever like that.
The Nokia based Vertu phones sell well too. Are they overpriced? I'd say so. Yet people are still prepared to pay for an S40 based Nokia in a shinier case with a fashion brand attached.
The PS3 outsells the Xbox360 2-to-1 in the UK btw and only a few thousand less than the Wii.
As for "feature lite" - Feature-by- feature comparisons seem to be some unwritten law of gadget physics.
LAW 1 - Device A is always better than Device B where Device A has more features.
When did I say more features were better?
I simply said the iPhone was light on features for the money. It's up to you if you think a lack of features is an advantage or not. I'm sat here with a one button mouse as I prefer it to multi button mice so I'm not adverse to simplicity in interfaces either.
Some of us however need features. I _need_ an ssh client on my phone. No ssh, no sale. I can live without pretty much any of the other restrictions. I'd prefer it on Orange too as I use Orange's two lines on one handset functionality.
There's an international conference here in San Diego this week that I was attending (Society for Neuroscience). I can tell you that at least half of the UK people I met with were planning to be at an O2 store on Friday to get an iPhone.
Queues of brain surgeons? What do they know?
The market isn't deciding a price here. There's only one seller and one price - Apple and O2. Buyers have the choice of buying it or not. By all measures - ie. other handsets, retailers and other plans, it's expensive. There may be people out there willing to pay that much but don't pretend market forces are deciding the price here or that it isn't expensive.
But that's what it means for a market to assign value. If people are willing to buy a service especially when there are cheaper alternatives the market has decided the service was worth the price it was sold for. If the market does not feel the service is worth the price few people buy it.
But that's what it means for a market to assign value. If people are willing to buy a service especially when there are cheaper alternatives the market has decided the service was worth the price it was sold for. If the market does not feel the service is worth the price few people buy it.
And it would appear few people will be if O2's CEO is only expecting 200,000 in the run up to Xmas. That's not very many.
(LOL)
Apple will have totally blown their chances with 0.00001% of the market.
C.
Bullcrap. The market isn't deciding a price here. There's only one seller and one price - Apple and O2. Buyers have the choice of buying it or not. They don't have a range of prices depending on their plan. They don't have a range of plans. They don't have a range of carriers. They barely have a range of retailers (O2, Apple and Carphone Warehouse).
By all measures - ie. other handsets, retailers and other plans, it's expensive. There may be people out there willing to pay that much but don't pretend market forces are deciding the price here or that it isn't expensive.
'the market' isn't the buyer. It's 'some people' where 'some people' = people who only need a subset of a modern phone's functionality, don't mind the missing bits and can afford the price and 18 month plan. Or it's people who must buy the latest fashionable gadget. Or whatever. It's not however 'the market'.
If you insist on defining terms to meet your conclusions.... well you will always be right but its really not much fun. For most people the market is any group that buys a product.
The real conclusion is one of the following,
1) The other phones are underpriced, or, wait for it..........
2) They're crap
3) The correct answer is - they're not serving the whole market - ta da
Define 'really well' ?
200,000 doesn't seem much like 'really well' to me.
I hope it doesn't do 'really well' and it gives Apple pause for thought.
Apple defined this for you - 10 million is 2008. That's what they designed for. As long as Apple makes the revenue and margin they aimed for they met their target. 200,000 in the first weeks sounds pretty darn good to me.
The Nokia based Vertu phones sell well too. Are they overpriced? I'd say so. Yet people are still prepared to pay for an S40 based Nokia in a shinier case with a fashion brand attached.
Maybe someday grasshopper you'll acknowledge the concepts of value pricing and targeted marketing. Just because you think a given segment of the population are 'idiots' for paying a given price for a given product doesn't mean some provider shouldn't try to fill those 'idiot's' requirements.
When did I say more features were better?
I simply said the iPhone was light on features for the money. It's up to you if you think a lack of features is an advantage or not. I'm sat here with a one button mouse as I prefer it to multi button mice so I'm not adverse to simplicity in interfaces either.
Some of us however need features. I _need_ an ssh client on my phone. No ssh, no sale. I can live without pretty much any of the other restrictions. I'd prefer it on Orange too as I use Orange's two lines on one handset functionality.
Queues of brain surgeons? What do they know?
OK, stop contradicting your self. If you think that its 'light on features for the money' the direct implication is more features would be worth the money, and in any economic discussion you assume that customers pay more money for better things. Ergo, more features are better.
Now 'Some of us []need features' is most certainly true but turning that around into (parapharse) 'a lack of feature makes it a flop, or undesirable, or....' is not true.
So far the iPhone sales performance has proven these assertions wrong. The current trend in many discussion is to now raise the targets the iPhone 'should have aimed for' so that, once again it can be dubbed as missing its goals.
Ever noticed how they don't let you use the phones till you actually have handed over the cash?
C.
What no ssh_client on the iPhone?
(LOL)
Apple will have totally blown their chances with 0.00001% of the market.
C.
I fully admit it's an esoteric request but it's still 100% necessary for me and pretty much any other server admin that doesn't want to be tied to a desk. Otherwise I'd be forced to carry around an iPhone AND another phone that has that feature.
Back in the pre-3rd party crackdown days, the iPhone had an ssh client. Hopefully they'll put it back come February.