Only if Mail were offered as a download for our PC friends as well, which it won't be. Apple has to manage all iPod/iPhone functions/content from iTunes because the experience needs to be similar cross platform. Now an interesting idea would be for Mail to automatically have access to voice memos just like notes/todos are system-wide.
What happens with contacts, calendar, notes on the iPhone when connected to a Windows PC? I don't see why they couldn't hook voicemail into the Apple Mail program, and just tell Windows users: too bad, so sad, but you have to use OS X for that.
So, can Apple turn the Tablet PC into a success when previous attempts have failed? The short answer is 'yes'. Any company that can make a mobile phone with no buttons, no picture messaging, slow Web access and no video capture into the most desirable phone on the planet can easily make tablets popular.
Ahhhh ... an Apple Tablet. I'll take 3 today please. Unfortunately, if we don't see these in the next week or so, I'll be forced to buy something else ... but I'll save a spot for one for myself.
Come on Apple, get these out before Thanksgiving to capitalize on holiday sales! Unfortunately, this is probably one of those things that won't make sense until the iPhone/iPod touch/iTablet SDK is available.
I am certainly interested in seeing what dem at Apple are working on tablet wise, but I think it is a stretch to imply that it will take a new product to make home WiFi useful! 4.5 years with WiFi now, and I would just as soon go with out refrigeration or indoor plumbing as give up my wireless...
I find even "n" to be so slow as to be aggravating. I wired my house with 1G Ethernet a few years ago, and going back from that seems to be a crime.
If you got speeds that were even close to what WiFi advertises itself to have, that would be one thing?but it doesn't. not even close.
To give you an idea, look at this recent review of some "n" routers, including Apple's. Pay attention to the numbers, and realize that I get over ten times the speed at the worst of times. remember that I'm not talking just about some laptop in the living room accessing the internet. I'm talking about four computers on a network, with two network printers attached as well.
You know, to be quite honest. As much as I think the idea of an Apple Tablet is good idea, especially with the iPod Touch and iPhone now playing a role in ascending this concept to a new level. I just have to say... right now... I just don't give a F*ck. I've been wanting to purchase a new Mac Pro with Dual Quad Penryn processors, yet not have to pay the top tier price of the current Dual Quad Core... I am getting really annoyed at having to wait this long to make this happen. I am burning up here, in angst.
With this in mind, of course, it would be nice to have it this year, as I would like the write off for taxes.
We've had tablet rumors for ages but the latest rumor of a Mac tablet 1.5x larger than an iPhone makes sense. Having a screen size of 720 x 480 would let a palmtop Mac use some Apple and third party apps. It could also have an iSight, mic and speaker for use with iChat for text messages, audio and video chats. It'd also have WiFi and Bluetooth, a virtual keyboard, and Multitouch.
Since computer sales in Japan are declining in favor of devices like this, and the fact that could become a worldwide trend, this Mac tablet would be ideal.
There is an Intel platform, Menlow, that would be ideal for this little beast. Based on the 45nm Silverthorne processor, it's due in H1'08. Even better is the integrated system-on- chip platform due a year later called Moorestown. It, too, uses the 45nm process but the entire platform consists of two chips and would provide the power of a desktop PC in something the size of an iPhone. WiFi, graphics, CPU and memory controller are all integrated.
If Apple is going to have a tablet Mac early next year just 1.5x larger than an iPhone, it'd have to either use Intel's Menlow or a multi-chip ARM-based chipset like the iPhone uses. Moorestown could be the basis for a future iPhone and tablet in 2009. At least that'd Steve Jobs something to talk about at MWSF 2009 which is only 14 months away.
10 or 11" screen-size is the obvious sweet-spot for this thing. Any smaller and you'd rather carry an iPhone, cause it fits in your pocket, "and" any smaller and the screen would be too small to be Mac productive. If you don't mind carrying around a 7-9" tablet, as you can't fit it in your pocket, you may as well make it 10-11" and make it way more useful. And if it's any bigger you may as well just get a notebook.
My dream portable is an 11" Mac touch, not that I've said this before or anything
Oh, and dream desktop is a 24" 2.8Ghz iMac, oh yeah, I've got one of those
Not that I would buy an iPhone from 02 (I'm an Apple store kind of guy), I popped in today and I was greeted by some camp spectacle that shouted "aright" across the room, not even bothering to get off his back side. When I asked if they had any more information on the iPhone yet he said "have you been like on the 02 website? That's where all the info is, it's all on the internet." "So you don't know anything then?" I replied. His camp jaw dropped and a hand went on his hip. He didn't say anything else.
Is this the kind of hideous service we are to expect from 02?
Why does this kind of post have to get into so many threads that's unrelated to that?
I think there is room for such a product, but I don't think there's room for being irritating about wanting one.
I'm not sure I agree with this.
I can certainly see that in the discussion or speculation of the introduction of an entirely different class of Apple product, it would make sense, at some point, to consider the range of offerings by said company, and even percieved holes in said lineup. I thought the mention here was appropriate.
Now, I do get tired of the "Apple had better introduce X,YorZ by MacWorld or am going to buy a Dell, dump my Macs out the window, and sell all my shares" sort of post. But this post I found well considered and informative.
I got your back on this one, Clive--Don't apologize!
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Originally Posted by Clive At Five
Sorry, I started it. Subtlely, yes, but it was my fault. Don't blame poor grifmx.
shame, shame, double shame; everybody knows my name.
I can certainly see that in the discussion or speculation of the introduction of an entirely different class of Apple product, it would make sense, at some point, to consider the range of offerings by said company, and even percieved holes in said lineup. I thought the mention here was appropriate.
I don't understand how you think that, because the subject of a "mid-range tower Mac" has been beaten to death, buried, exhumed then beaten again, buried, exhumed then beaten again. On every thread that's even slightly tangentially related. News of a new iMac, we get xMac bitching or wishing. The same with a MacBook story. The same with the mini.
Not only that, it's getting away from the intended thread subject which would have been a completely different part of the product line. It's just getting old. I think anyone that's reading this site for any more than a week would know about this gap in the product line.
IMO a tablet is one thing, but a portable newton like device is another, and I just hope apple doesn't see the success of the iPhone as a need for a bigger newton like PDA device. There are a few people that would like one, a few more that might buy one, and a few that could probably use one, but the market for such a device is sooooooo limited.
I'm ready for an Apple laptop/tablet, but I stand as a sceptic for any mid size mid range device. Because honestly once all the "oooo... something new" wears off this thing, anything half done is going to be just another nail in the new line of half done Apple hardware coffin hole they have started digging.
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News-flash, the iPhone is the Newton. This tablet will be a Mac we hope.
"The iPhone is the Newton... the Newton is the iPhone! The iPhone is a Mac!"
(with apologies to Ace Ventura: Pet Detective)
Only if Mail were offered as a download for our PC friends as well, which it won't be. Apple has to manage all iPod/iPhone functions/content from iTunes because the experience needs to be similar cross platform. Now an interesting idea would be for Mail to automatically have access to voice memos just like notes/todos are system-wide.
What happens with contacts, calendar, notes on the iPhone when connected to a Windows PC? I don't see why they couldn't hook voicemail into the Apple Mail program, and just tell Windows users: too bad, so sad, but you have to use OS X for that.
So, can Apple turn the Tablet PC into a success when previous attempts have failed? The short answer is 'yes'. Any company that can make a mobile phone with no buttons, no picture messaging, slow Web access and no video capture into the most desirable phone on the planet can easily make tablets popular.
You really can't argue with logic like that.
Come on Apple, get these out before Thanksgiving to capitalize on holiday sales! Unfortunately, this is probably one of those things that won't make sense until the iPhone/iPod touch/iTablet SDK is available.
I couldn't let that one slip by...
I am certainly interested in seeing what dem at Apple are working on tablet wise, but I think it is a stretch to imply that it will take a new product to make home WiFi useful! 4.5 years with WiFi now, and I would just as soon go with out refrigeration or indoor plumbing as give up my wireless...
I find even "n" to be so slow as to be aggravating. I wired my house with 1G Ethernet a few years ago, and going back from that seems to be a crime.
If you got speeds that were even close to what WiFi advertises itself to have, that would be one thing?but it doesn't. not even close.
To give you an idea, look at this recent review of some "n" routers, including Apple's. Pay attention to the numbers, and realize that I get over ten times the speed at the worst of times. remember that I'm not talking just about some laptop in the living room accessing the internet. I'm talking about four computers on a network, with two network printers attached as well.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardw...er-roundup.ars
Not a tablet but a Newton-sized device; 8in screen I would think. Jan 08.
How much did it cost to do what you did?
The cost of the cable, connectors, etc. I already have the tools and the network testing equipment, though you really don't need that.
I'd say, other than for the router and 8 port Gigabit switch, about $100.
Hell. I really advise everyone to dig out KORMAC's old posts if they are still around.He was 100% on the nose, just four years early.
Not a tablet but a Newton-sized device; 8in screen I would think. Jan 08.
No one is right until the product is out for all to see.
So far, I don't see any product.
With this in mind, of course, it would be nice to have it this year, as I would like the write off for taxes.
Medium to Medium-High-End Computing Level: (huge gap [hmm... what goes here...])
Why does this kind of post have to get into so many threads that's unrelated to that?
I think there is room for such a product, but I don't think there's room for being irritating about wanting one.
Why does this kind of post have to get into so many threads that's unrelated to that?
I think there is room for such a product, but I don't think there's room for being irritating about wanting one.
Sorry, I started it. Subtlely, yes, but it was my fault. Don't blame poor grifmx.
shame, shame, double shame; everybody knows my name.
-Clive
Since computer sales in Japan are declining in favor of devices like this, and the fact that could become a worldwide trend, this Mac tablet would be ideal.
There is an Intel platform, Menlow, that would be ideal for this little beast. Based on the 45nm Silverthorne processor, it's due in H1'08. Even better is the integrated system-on- chip platform due a year later called Moorestown. It, too, uses the 45nm process but the entire platform consists of two chips and would provide the power of a desktop PC in something the size of an iPhone. WiFi, graphics, CPU and memory controller are all integrated.
If Apple is going to have a tablet Mac early next year just 1.5x larger than an iPhone, it'd have to either use Intel's Menlow or a multi-chip ARM-based chipset like the iPhone uses. Moorestown could be the basis for a future iPhone and tablet in 2009. At least that'd Steve Jobs something to talk about at MWSF 2009 which is only 14 months away.
My dream portable is an 11" Mac touch, not that I've said this before or anything
Oh, and dream desktop is a 24" 2.8Ghz iMac, oh yeah, I've got one of those
Is this the kind of hideous service we are to expect from 02?
Why does this kind of post have to get into so many threads that's unrelated to that?
I think there is room for such a product, but I don't think there's room for being irritating about wanting one.
I'm not sure I agree with this.
I can certainly see that in the discussion or speculation of the introduction of an entirely different class of Apple product, it would make sense, at some point, to consider the range of offerings by said company, and even percieved holes in said lineup. I thought the mention here was appropriate.
Now, I do get tired of the "Apple had better introduce X,YorZ by MacWorld or am going to buy a Dell, dump my Macs out the window, and sell all my shares" sort of post. But this post I found well considered and informative.
I got your back on this one, Clive--Don't apologize!
Sorry, I started it. Subtlely, yes, but it was my fault. Don't blame poor grifmx.
shame, shame, double shame; everybody knows my name.
-Clive
I'm not sure I agree with this.
I can certainly see that in the discussion or speculation of the introduction of an entirely different class of Apple product, it would make sense, at some point, to consider the range of offerings by said company, and even percieved holes in said lineup. I thought the mention here was appropriate.
I don't understand how you think that, because the subject of a "mid-range tower Mac" has been beaten to death, buried, exhumed then beaten again, buried, exhumed then beaten again. On every thread that's even slightly tangentially related. News of a new iMac, we get xMac bitching or wishing. The same with a MacBook story. The same with the mini.
Not only that, it's getting away from the intended thread subject which would have been a completely different part of the product line. It's just getting old. I think anyone that's reading this site for any more than a week would know about this gap in the product line.
I'm ready for an Apple laptop/tablet, but I stand as a sceptic for any mid size mid range device. Because honestly once all the "oooo... something new" wears off this thing, anything half done is going to be just another nail in the new line of half done Apple hardware coffin hole they have started digging.