I agreed with you. I was saying even though a larger tablet would allow for more productive apps, I'm not sure its worth Apple pursuing this market.
That's why I'm promoting the mid-size model, the slightly larger than Newton version, which I do think would work well, and have a market.
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I think you like being contrary Mel.
Well, I don't dis-like it.
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I wasn't saying multi-touch allows you to easily use cells in Excel. I was just passing on what I've grown to understand about using it.
I know you weren't. But people are saying that the iPhone and iTouch are all we need for this market, and I disagree. I think there's a place for something more powerful, and sophisticated, but not approaching full size.
One can never tell, cause the product isn't invented yet, but the way I see this product, it will be a hot hot seller. It will be the coolest mobile computer in the world.
Aimed at desktop users. Once again... "aimed at desktop users". Think about why I say that?
Aimed at desktop users. Once again... "aimed at desktop users". Think about why I say that?
The only thing is that laptop users outnumber desktop users and that gap is widening as time goes on. It will come to a point where smartphone users outnumber laptop users.
I don't see Apple doing this because, after the well known fact that tablets are simply not interesting computer users at large, it would be breaking up the small market for them that could exist, if Apple did choose to come out with it.
All I can see at this point, assuming that Apple will be doing them, and we have absolutely NO proof that Apple is, would be an ultralight, and something like the Newton.
There is simly no information, even amongst the rumor makers, of anything else.
And, I don't see anything else as making any sense whatsoever!
So, fellow loser, I hope that satisfies you.
I realize that I didn't specify, I anticipate my list of Apple tablets to replace laptops altogether?
And as for the "killer app"; that would be Apple taking multi-touch, OS X, iLife & iWork; and blending them into an intuitive easy-to-use platform destined to change the future of personal computing?
After all, you don't see many laptops on the various Star Treks, but you DO see a bunch of tablets?
The only thing is that laptop users outnumber desktop users and that gap is widening as time goes on. It will come to a point where smartphone users outnumber laptop users.
Yes the desktop - notebook gap is widening, but the despite what people think that's going to slow soon, and all desktop owners will want one of these.
I realize that I didn't specify, I anticipate my list of Apple tablets to replace laptops altogether?
And as for the "killer app"; that would be Apple taking multi-touch, OS X, iLife & iWork; and blending them into an intuitive easy-to-use platform destined to change the future of personal computing?
After all, you don't see many laptops on the various Star Treks, but you DO see a bunch of tablets?
Nope! Don't see that happening. People are just not ready to do much long term typing on these screens. I once had a discussion with Vinea about this. My feeling was, and is, that flat keyboards can be gotten used to by people who have never typed before without a problem. But, for people who do use a regular keyboard, as almost everyone does, it will seem alien, and they won't even be interested in trying.
I just can't see people using iWork on a tablet.
Stat Trek!
If you use a Tv program that's trying to look cool as your standard, you won't get far.
... Now imagine placing this tablet on the table in front of you. What will you see? A black, or blue, screen. Why? Because, as we all know, an LCD screen can't be viewed at such an extreme angle. Useless!!!
I don't have all the answers, but who said this had to be an LCD? If Apple were to release this product and it really were as revolutionary as we are imagining here, do you not think that they could use a display technology that is better suited to the task? For that matter, if Apple were going to release such a revolutionary product, don't you feel that they would consider all the details and invest the time, design, and marketing to get the right people using the right product?
I don't think we need to worry about all of the details if this project ever sees daylight. That being said, half the fun of the forum is the mind-exercise of figuring things out, so . . . carry on!
I don't have all the answers, but who said this had to be an LCD? If Apple were to release this product and it really were as revolutionary as we are imagining here, do you not think that they could use a display technology that is better suited to the task? For that matter, if Apple were going to release such a revolutionary product, don't you feel that they would consider all the details and invest the time, design, and marketing to get the right people using the right product?
I don't think we need to worry about all of the details if this project ever sees daylight. That being said, half the fun of the forum is the mind-exercise of figuring things out, so . . . carry on!
Don't fall into the trap Hitler fell into during WWII. He felt that new super-weapons would save the day. They never materialized, and he lost the war.
There is no other viable screen technology other than LCD right now, and in the near future. That's around two years. OLED's might be good for the 4 x 6 inch screen I'm talking about, but not for the 10 to 11" sizes. There is nothing else on the horizin that is as close as OLED's. While I've seen prototypes up to 21" in size as long as three years ago, none of them were suitable for production.
Electronic paper is in the same situation. Good for slow changing B/W signage, it isn't useful for anything other than Sony's electronic book reader right now, and won't be for some time.
If you're going to talk about products for the near term, say a year out, you must talk about what we know is possible, not what you want to be possible. That's a sure route to failure.
Nope! Don't see that happening. People are just not ready to do much long term typing on these screens. I once had a discussion with Vinea about this. My feeling was, and is, that flat keyboards can be gotten used to by people who have never typed before without a problem. But, for people who do use a regular keyboard, as almost everyone does, it will seem alien, and they won't even be interested in trying.
This is, of course, a question of short/medium/long term. If you had told me 6 years ago that people would be text messaging each other 100-200 times a day on those idiotic cell phone number keypads I would have laughed at you. People will never put up with that, I would have said.
'Course I would have been dead wrong--there are 14 year olds who can "type" on a cell phone in the dark while watching a concert about as fast as I type on my trusty PB keyboard. Who could have seen that comming?
My point is that keyboards are a very limiting imput technology that may be reaching their EOL. Sure, anyone over 30 now will struggle against what comes next bitching and moaning about learning curves and how keyboards were good enough for us... But guess what? We are not the future of technology.
Now, I don't claim to know what is going to replace the keyboard as we know it--super-multitouch? Voice command? Sub-vocalization? 3-D gesturing? Coded eyeblinking? Let me make that clear.
And I do not think that keyboards will die out overnight. But it is possible that some sort of flat screen keying will catch on with the younger set and become a standard in the medium term. Something else that takes less space is coming. And you probably won't like it.
If the iPhone is embraced by the younger set--and I don't see this happening yet--that could push things to change quickly.
Of course, in the short term, with Apple's rumored tablet/mini-portable I agree with you. It is going to be expensive and marketed to the professional adult. The very people who are most comfortable with the keyboard as we know it.
This is, of course, a question of short/medium/long term. If you had told me 6 years ago that people would be text messaging each other 100-200 times a day on those idiotic cell phone number keypads I would have laughed at you. People will never put up with that, I would have said.
Uh, just how many people have the time to text message 100 to 200 times a day? If they do, they should go to school, get a job, or at the very least, get a life.
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'Course I would have been dead wrong--there are 14 year olds who can "type" on a cell phone in the dark while watching a concert about as fast as I type on my trusty PB keyboard. Who could have seen that comming?
It hasn't yet.
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My point is that keyboards are a very limiting imput technology that may be reaching their EOL. Sure, anyone over 30 now will struggle against what comes next bitching and moaning about learning curves and how keyboards were good enough for us... But guess what? We are not the future of technology.
My daughter and her friends type very well, esp. considering that most of them have been doing so since they were three or four.
Keyboards are a great input device for, guess what? TEXT!
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Now, I don't claim to know what is going to replace the keyboard as we know it--super-multitouch? Voice command? Sub-vocalization? 3-D gesturing? Coded eyeblinking? Let me make that clear.
Perhaps when you, or someone else, figures it out, then maybe keyboards can be replaced. But, until that nebulous time in the future, keyboards are here to stay.
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And I do not think that keyboards will die out overnight. But it is possible that some sort of flat screen keying will catch on with the younger set and become a standard in the medium term. Something else that takes less space is coming. And you probably won't like it.
If the iPhone is embraced by the younger set--and I don't see this happening yet--that could push things to change quickly.
Of course, in the short term, with Apple's rumored tablet/mini-portable I agree with you. It is going to be expensive and marketed to the professional adult. The very people who are most comfortable with the keyboard as we know it.
But in the medium or long term? Well see...
Some day, other input will possibly replace the conventional keyboard. But just when that will be, no one knows.
It certainly won't be in the timeframe you are talking about for Apple in the here and now, which is what you were essentially saying. After all, we are talking about possible products arriving in the next year, not after the next decade, or century.
That's why I hate these threads. They just think it's a standard gravitation towards multi-touch screens which it isn't. It's like trying to explain science to caveman. it's ridiculous. Similar idiots had similar thoughts about the Apple mouse, and GUI after the iPod. Sure Pal. A a scroll wheel mouse with a new Apple interface. Yeah right. No clicking, just scrolling.
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I agreed with you. I was saying even though a larger tablet would allow for more productive apps, I'm not sure its worth Apple pursuing this market.
That's why I'm promoting the mid-size model, the slightly larger than Newton version, which I do think would work well, and have a market.
I think you like being contrary Mel.
Well, I don't dis-like it.
I wasn't saying multi-touch allows you to easily use cells in Excel. I was just passing on what I've grown to understand about using it.
I know you weren't. But people are saying that the iPhone and iTouch are all we need for this market, and I disagree. I think there's a place for something more powerful, and sophisticated, but not approaching full size.
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But do we represent the minority?
One can never tell, cause the product isn't invented yet, but the way I see this product, it will be a hot hot seller. It will be the coolest mobile computer in the world.
Aimed at desktop users. Once again... "aimed at desktop users". Think about why I say that?
Aimed at desktop users. Once again... "aimed at desktop users". Think about why I say that?
The only thing is that laptop users outnumber desktop users and that gap is widening as time goes on. It will come to a point where smartphone users outnumber laptop users.
That's a selective memory you have.
No that's a selective thread you chose. Try the other two where the choice is between slate and non slate, not slate or nothing at all. Nice try.
I don't see Apple doing this because, after the well known fact that tablets are simply not interesting computer users at large, it would be breaking up the small market for them that could exist, if Apple did choose to come out with it.
All I can see at this point, assuming that Apple will be doing them, and we have absolutely NO proof that Apple is, would be an ultralight, and something like the Newton.
There is simly no information, even amongst the rumor makers, of anything else.
And, I don't see anything else as making any sense whatsoever!
So, fellow loser, I hope that satisfies you.
I realize that I didn't specify, I anticipate my list of Apple tablets to replace laptops altogether?
And as for the "killer app"; that would be Apple taking multi-touch, OS X, iLife & iWork; and blending them into an intuitive easy-to-use platform destined to change the future of personal computing?
After all, you don't see many laptops on the various Star Treks, but you DO see a bunch of tablets?
No that's a selective thread you chose. Try the other two where the choice is between slate and non slate, not slate or nothing at all. Nice try.
Good one dude. Just admit you're wrong.
The only thing is that laptop users outnumber desktop users and that gap is widening as time goes on. It will come to a point where smartphone users outnumber laptop users.
Yes the desktop - notebook gap is widening, but the despite what people think that's going to slow soon, and all desktop owners will want one of these.
I realize that I didn't specify, I anticipate my list of Apple tablets to replace laptops altogether?
And as for the "killer app"; that would be Apple taking multi-touch, OS X, iLife & iWork; and blending them into an intuitive easy-to-use platform destined to change the future of personal computing?
After all, you don't see many laptops on the various Star Treks, but you DO see a bunch of tablets?
Nope! Don't see that happening. People are just not ready to do much long term typing on these screens. I once had a discussion with Vinea about this. My feeling was, and is, that flat keyboards can be gotten used to by people who have never typed before without a problem. But, for people who do use a regular keyboard, as almost everyone does, it will seem alien, and they won't even be interested in trying.
I just can't see people using iWork on a tablet.
Stat Trek!
If you use a Tv program that's trying to look cool as your standard, you won't get far.
... Now imagine placing this tablet on the table in front of you. What will you see? A black, or blue, screen. Why? Because, as we all know, an LCD screen can't be viewed at such an extreme angle. Useless!!!
I don't have all the answers, but who said this had to be an LCD? If Apple were to release this product and it really were as revolutionary as we are imagining here, do you not think that they could use a display technology that is better suited to the task? For that matter, if Apple were going to release such a revolutionary product, don't you feel that they would consider all the details and invest the time, design, and marketing to get the right people using the right product?
I don't think we need to worry about all of the details if this project ever sees daylight. That being said, half the fun of the forum is the mind-exercise of figuring things out, so . . . carry on!
Good one dude. Just admit you're wrong.
Excuse me? Your the dope that chose the thread that has nothing-doing with your own argument.
Excuse me? Your the dope that chose the thread that has nothing-doing with your own argument.
Ok guys, just end it. We all know who is going to say what.
Move on.
I don't have all the answers, but who said this had to be an LCD? If Apple were to release this product and it really were as revolutionary as we are imagining here, do you not think that they could use a display technology that is better suited to the task? For that matter, if Apple were going to release such a revolutionary product, don't you feel that they would consider all the details and invest the time, design, and marketing to get the right people using the right product?
I don't think we need to worry about all of the details if this project ever sees daylight. That being said, half the fun of the forum is the mind-exercise of figuring things out, so . . . carry on!
Don't fall into the trap Hitler fell into during WWII. He felt that new super-weapons would save the day. They never materialized, and he lost the war.
There is no other viable screen technology other than LCD right now, and in the near future. That's around two years. OLED's might be good for the 4 x 6 inch screen I'm talking about, but not for the 10 to 11" sizes. There is nothing else on the horizin that is as close as OLED's. While I've seen prototypes up to 21" in size as long as three years ago, none of them were suitable for production.
Electronic paper is in the same situation. Good for slow changing B/W signage, it isn't useful for anything other than Sony's electronic book reader right now, and won't be for some time.
If you're going to talk about products for the near term, say a year out, you must talk about what we know is possible, not what you want to be possible. That's a sure route to failure.
Ok guys, just end it. We all know who is going to say what.
Move on.
I have to agree with this. I've said a lot on the subject. Anything more from us will just be thrashing out the same thing over again.
I have to agree with this. I've said a lot on the subject. Anything more from us will just be thrashing out the same thing over again.
Especially since you invoked Godwin's law in the preceeding post.
Especially since you invoked Godwin's law in the preceeding post.
How did you get that?
Especially since you invoked Godwin's law in the preceeding post.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Cheers
Nope! Don't see that happening. People are just not ready to do much long term typing on these screens. I once had a discussion with Vinea about this. My feeling was, and is, that flat keyboards can be gotten used to by people who have never typed before without a problem. But, for people who do use a regular keyboard, as almost everyone does, it will seem alien, and they won't even be interested in trying.
This is, of course, a question of short/medium/long term. If you had told me 6 years ago that people would be text messaging each other 100-200 times a day on those idiotic cell phone number keypads I would have laughed at you. People will never put up with that, I would have said.
'Course I would have been dead wrong--there are 14 year olds who can "type" on a cell phone in the dark while watching a concert about as fast as I type on my trusty PB keyboard. Who could have seen that comming?
My point is that keyboards are a very limiting imput technology that may be reaching their EOL. Sure, anyone over 30 now will struggle against what comes next bitching and moaning about learning curves and how keyboards were good enough for us... But guess what? We are not the future of technology.
Now, I don't claim to know what is going to replace the keyboard as we know it--super-multitouch? Voice command? Sub-vocalization? 3-D gesturing? Coded eyeblinking? Let me make that clear.
And I do not think that keyboards will die out overnight. But it is possible that some sort of flat screen keying will catch on with the younger set and become a standard in the medium term. Something else that takes less space is coming. And you probably won't like it.
If the iPhone is embraced by the younger set--and I don't see this happening yet--that could push things to change quickly.
Of course, in the short term, with Apple's rumored tablet/mini-portable I agree with you. It is going to be expensive and marketed to the professional adult. The very people who are most comfortable with the keyboard as we know it.
But in the medium or long term? Well see...
How did you get that?
As per Wikipedia:
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) Although, I don't think he was invoking as much as conforming.
This is, of course, a question of short/medium/long term. If you had told me 6 years ago that people would be text messaging each other 100-200 times a day on those idiotic cell phone number keypads I would have laughed at you. People will never put up with that, I would have said.
Uh, just how many people have the time to text message 100 to 200 times a day? If they do, they should go to school, get a job, or at the very least, get a life.
'Course I would have been dead wrong--there are 14 year olds who can "type" on a cell phone in the dark while watching a concert about as fast as I type on my trusty PB keyboard. Who could have seen that comming?
It hasn't yet.
My point is that keyboards are a very limiting imput technology that may be reaching their EOL. Sure, anyone over 30 now will struggle against what comes next bitching and moaning about learning curves and how keyboards were good enough for us... But guess what? We are not the future of technology.
My daughter and her friends type very well, esp. considering that most of them have been doing so since they were three or four.
Keyboards are a great input device for, guess what? TEXT!
Now, I don't claim to know what is going to replace the keyboard as we know it--super-multitouch? Voice command? Sub-vocalization? 3-D gesturing? Coded eyeblinking? Let me make that clear.
Perhaps when you, or someone else, figures it out, then maybe keyboards can be replaced. But, until that nebulous time in the future, keyboards are here to stay.
And I do not think that keyboards will die out overnight. But it is possible that some sort of flat screen keying will catch on with the younger set and become a standard in the medium term. Something else that takes less space is coming. And you probably won't like it.
If the iPhone is embraced by the younger set--and I don't see this happening yet--that could push things to change quickly.
Of course, in the short term, with Apple's rumored tablet/mini-portable I agree with you. It is going to be expensive and marketed to the professional adult. The very people who are most comfortable with the keyboard as we know it.
But in the medium or long term? Well see...
Some day, other input will possibly replace the conventional keyboard. But just when that will be, no one knows.
It certainly won't be in the timeframe you are talking about for Apple in the here and now, which is what you were essentially saying. After all, we are talking about possible products arriving in the next year, not after the next decade, or century.