Did Nikon back off on encrypting part of their RAW files in some models? I don't care if the particular model I'm looking at doesn't have it, I'd rather not support a maker that thinks it's OK to pull stunts like that.
That why I posted that I will wait . You are correct though , the D3 is for the pros and advance amateurs and for that price point , the camera should and must be able to pay for itself overtime . One of the reasons why I wanted the D3 is that it is a full frame camera and I always wanted to use wide angle lenses for panoramic shots . But for that price , I am willing to wait for the Full Frame prosumer camera and just get the 70-200 lens .
Nikon has some good wide zooms for the APS cameras. The 12-24 is equiv. to an 18-36, and is a pretty good lens. Designed just for the APS frame. Go to their site.
Guys , If I am not mistaken , the Nikon D3 is not out yet so comparing it with an existing product using just the D3's specs is not an honest evaluation . Honestly , as a Nikon user , I like to have the D3 with the Nikkor 70-200 2.8 VR lens but I guess I have to wait .
I'm still shooting a D100 so I guess it can't jurt for me to wait a bit longer. In any event I don't think the wait is that much longer.
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When at the PhotoExpo here in October, I had a good amount of time with the camera, taking pictures with my own 4 GB San Disk Extreme IV card.
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I've processed those images in Camera Raw, using a beta of the Nikon plug-in. The pictures are pretty good. The noise is about the same as my 5D up to 400. At 800, and above, they are a bit better. At 3200 they are noticably better in terms of total noise, but, Canon's noise has always been more filmlike, and more easily correctable. That's still true.
Now to try to pull this thread back on track. I'm noticing in this thread that you are not shy about using different software to get the effects that you want. To mean this shows the benefit of an open system and a manufacture not afraid to work with developers to get its file formats out there. The benefit to the camera maker is that the more ways that become popular to leverage their file formats the better off they are in the eyes of the photo community. They have become consumer friendly.
I look at Apples approach to the Touch as the opposite of being consumer friendly. The deletion of things like Mail from the Touch is mean spirited in the sense that it is a common app for PC's and is already working on the IPhone a compatible platform. It would be a different story with something software wise that is not a common app for a computing platform. But lets face it Mail is a common app and for many a primary app.
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The thing about digital camera noise is that most of it can be gotten rid of. Camera Raw (preferably ver 4) does an excellent job of eliminating chroma noise at even the standard setting of 25%. Luminance noise is much less annoying, and can actually be desirable, if not too prominent. Programs such as Noise Ninja, and DXO can eliminate most all of the noise without damaging the image, if applied carefully.
Back to the Touch... I see again that you are not afraid to use alternative image manipulation programs. So what is up with somebody wanting a real mail app on their Touch and being chastised for it?
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But, Nikon certainly have a high (though not normally usable) ISO.
I Love to talk about camera myself. Digital is certainly an interesting capability. What interests me about the D3 is that it is an ideal platform for people not working in fixed conditions. It is no surprise that they are targeting photo journalism for example.
The point is that the camera has its own set of features and can live side by side with the rest of Nikon SLR line up. Nikon does not, to the best of my knowledge, apply totally artificial constraints on its photo hardware unlike Apple with its Touch. Indeed with the D3 they went out of the way to develop a sensor that is very interesting and somewhat targeted to certain types of photography.
I'm still shooting a D100 so I guess it can't jurt for me to wait a bit longer. In any event I don't think the wait is that much longer.
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Now to try to pull this thread back on track. I'm noticing in this thread that you are not shy about using different software to get the effects that you want. To mean this shows the benefit of an open system and a manufacture not afraid to work with developers to get its file formats out there. The benefit to the camera maker is that the more ways that become popular to leverage their file formats the better off they are in the eyes of the photo community. They have become consumer friendly.
I look at Apples approach to the Touch as the opposite of being consumer friendly. The deletion of things like Mail from the Touch is mean spirited in the sense that it is a common app for PC's and is already working on the IPhone a compatible platform. It would be a different story with something software wise that is not a common app for a computing platform. But lets face it Mail is a common app and for many a primary app.
Well, if this were a computer, then I'd agree with you. But, it a pretty specialized device, as defined by Apple, just as all of Nikon's devices are. They all have features the others don't. You must pick and choose between them. and when you do, you lose the features the others may offer. what's new about that?
You may have noticed that I'm all for a real computing device with a 4 x 6 inch hi rez screen. That would solve many problems.
But, how many times do I have to remind people that Apple is coming out with an SDK?
Give it some time. Remember, even you are talking about an open environment. That means that Apple doesn't have to do it all. In fact, most would agree that it isn't desirable that Apple does it all.
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Back to the Touch... I see again that you are not afraid to use alternative image manipulation programs. So what is up with somebody wanting a real mail app on their Touch and being chastised for it?
My answer is the same one I just gave right above.
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I Love to talk about camera myself. Digital is certainly an interesting capability. What interests me about the D3 is that it is an ideal platform for people not working in fixed conditions. It is no surprise that they are targeting photo journalism for example.
The point is that the camera has its own set of features and can live side by side with the rest of Nikon SLR line up. Nikon does not, to the best of my knowledge, apply totally artificial constraints on its photo hardware unlike Apple with its Touch. Indeed with the D3 they went out of the way to develop a sensor that is very interesting and somewhat targeted to certain types of photography.
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You might have noticed the question about Nikon's infamous encrypting of their RAW files from some of their cameras. That made it impossible to use them with any software other than their own, which interestingly enough, Nikon SELLS to its camera users, rather than giving it away as the others, notably Canon, do. Hmm, I wonder what that means? Oh yeah, it means that if you have a better camera from them, you can only shoot JPEGS unless you are willing to pop for their software.
Nikon has some good wide zooms for the APS cameras. The 12-24 is equiv. to an 18-36, and is a pretty good lens. Designed just for the APS frame. Go to their site.
I know , but for the prices that Nikon is asking , they are not worth it Yet . But thanks for the info . BTW , I avoid buying Nikon software for use with my cameras for some reason and you have just told me why . If I am going to use RAW , I'll just go with Adobe's or Apple's offerings for the reasons you have posted .
Now, minimally, they just need to add the missing Mail and Notes applications and I'll think about it. The other missing apps: weather, maps, stocks would be gravy.
What's the plan here? Wait till the SDK comes out and let 3rd party developers to create these apps for the iPod touch??? That doesn't make any sense.
Unless you are planning on spending most of your time in WI-FI hotspots in order to get full use of weather , maps and stock apps as well as Mail apps . Wouldn't it be much better to get an iPhone . Just a thought .
I'm rarely impressed with the "People always want more".
Sure they do! I want my Canon 5D camera to be a 1DsMIII, but it isn't.
Apple gave this some great functionality over and above what a player has ever had before. But, people will always want more. That doesn't mean that they should get it.
You have to realize that Apple, like every other company, is in business to sell product, and make a profit. If they put every feature of the iPhone on this, other than the basic phone itself, there might be little reason to buy the phone. I can understand that. That's the way it should be. Products must have a well differentiated cut-off.
This is a player, with extras. It's not a communications device with extras.
You may not be happy about that, but that's what it is.
If you want more, wait until the SDK arrives. It's possible that third parties will come up with what you want. But, Apple is not obligated to blur the lines more than they think is good for them, and that's how it should be.
They have an obligation to both their customers, and to their stockholders. I'm both, and try to see it from both ends.
Your term "to be mean" is just plain silly. Talk about business.
Most people who buy this won't be concerned about what techies care about. We've seen the same thing for years now about the regular iPods with the tuner question. There is always that small, but very vocal, group who insists that the iPod MUST have a tuner, or sales will suffer. BS!
The same thing is true here. A few people will care about this, but most won't. Most who do care about this will buy it anyway, and continue to complain. A very few won't buy it at all.
I'm sure that Apple has figured this out.
Just what is it with your "Apple knows best" holier than thou attitude?!
You've flamed your way into this one Mr. G.
If you want to be a MacSheep - fine. Just don't expect everyone to play along to your tune.
Hey, you think the Touch is fine - great.
But don't criticize the rest of us for having a different opinion.
Unless you are planning on spending most of your time in WI-FI hotspots in order to get full use of weather , maps and stock apps as well as Mail apps . Wouldn't it be much better to get an iPhone . Just a thought .
Why does everyone keep thinking Mail is an online only app? Sure, weather you need to be online to check, and once you've checked it you are done with the app. So it has no offline use. Same for stocks and to a lesser extent maps (I can see wanting to keep a downloaded map on your screen even after you've gone offline).
But Mail has a lot of offline functionality. Think back to your dial-up days. You could read and compose emails offline and then send and retrieve new e-mail the next time you dial-up your ISP. Mail does not need a real-time connection. If you want instant messaging, use SMS and text messaging. There are many times when I'm offline with my laptop, and catch up on e-mail. You can't do that with web-based mail apps.
And even when I'm online, even on a full-fledged computer, using a mail client is much more convenient and flexible than any web-based e-mail I've used (Yahoo, Gmail, MS Exchange Web Mail, Comcast, my independent e-mail provider).
The iTouch isn't really supposed to be the communication device the phone is.
Um, right. It's a WiFi device, not a WiFi and telephone device.
Arguing that it should be less of a WiFi device is just silly. There's no excuse for not allowing customers to make full use of the device's WiFi and computational abilities.
Why does everyone keep thinking Mail is an online only app? Sure, weather you need to be online to check, and once you've checked it you are done with the app. So it has no offline use. Same for stocks and to a lesser extent maps (I can see wanting to keep a downloaded map on your screen even after you've gone offline).
But Mail has a lot of offline functionality. Think back to your dial-up days. You could read and compose emails offline and then send and retrieve new e-mail the next time you dial-up your ISP. Mail does not need a real-time connection. If you want instant messaging, use SMS and text messaging. There are many times when I'm offline with my laptop, and catch up on e-mail. You can't do that with web-based mail apps.
And even when I'm online, even on a full-fledged computer, using a mail client is much more convenient and flexible than any web-based e-mail I've used (Yahoo, Gmail, MS Exchange Web Mail, Comcast, my independent e-mail provider).
What you said is true but, a lot of places in the US or even the world has no WiFi capabilities and what is the point of composing emails in a WiFi music player that cannot receive or send emails because of lack WiFi
infrastructure especially when those offline /online emails are critical to your work and the next WiFi spot is about 400 miles away if you are lucky and reliable if you are really blessed .
I agree with you though about a mail client is better than web based email by a mile .
Beta? What I meant was that they had introduced a camera or two that encrypted some parts of the image file.
I know. They've done the encryption for a while.
The beta software they gave me allows me to use the encrypted files in Camera Raw, just like my Canon files. Otherwise, Adobe has to figure out the files themselves, which isn't quite as good.
I don't know if this will be released or not though.
Just one warning though. Nikon has come out with a new compressed RAW file. But it's not lossless compression. It loses a bit from the hi lite areas.
Just what is it with your "Apple knows best" holier than thou attitude?!
You've flamed your way into this one Mr. G.
If you want to be a MacSheep - fine. Just don't expect everyone to play along to your tune.
Hey, you think the Touch is fine - great.
But don't criticize the rest of us for having a different opinion.
I'm not saying that Apple knows best. Once you come here more often, you will know more about my attitude about Apple and its products.
What I'm saying, is that Apple does things, as every manufacturer does, because it's best for business. I'm not saying that all of its customers will be happy all of the time. No one can do that.
I'm also saying that they produce products in different categories, and if you want one, you have to live with the limitations.
That's actually called "reality".
Also, you seem to have absolutely no idea what a "flame" is. Why don't you go look it up?
You also don't understand the difference between differing opinions and criticism of your person.
I wasn't criticizing you before, but I am now.
Remember Truman's words:
"If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."
Um, right. It's a WiFi device, not a WiFi and telephone device.
Arguing that it should be less of a WiFi device is just silly. There's no excuse for not allowing customers to make full use of the device's WiFi and computational abilities.
The excuse is that Apple wants to keep the products separate. That's their idea. It's not silly, it's good for business, as very few people won't buy it because of mail.
What would have happened if they just allowed music and video sharing, to improve upon what MS did with the WiFi on the Zune? People would have been happy that Apple did that part right. But, Apple did far more, and because they didn't (yet) go all the way, a few people are complaining. Can't satisfy everyone.
Honestly, I don't know what I would have done if it were my decision.
What you said is true but, a lot of places in the US or even the world has no WiFi capabilities and what is the point of composing emails in a WiFi music player that cannot receive or send emails because of lack WiFi
infrastructure especially when those offline /online emails are critical to your work and the next WiFi spot is about 400 miles away if you are lucky and reliable if you are really blessed .
I agree with you though about a mail client is better than web based email by a mile .
But by that argument, why include Wi-Fi at all then if it's so difficult and rare to find a hotspot? You can't sync to your computer via Wi-Fi, and if it's so hard to find a hotspot outside of your home, then why bother?
Personally, I would use it to catch up on e-mail on the train ride to work. I have no need for real-time e-mail during my commute. If I did, I'd already have a crackberry. But to be able to read and compose replies to be sent when I get to work would be a productive use of those 45 minutes.
But, unlike some people on these boards, I recognize that Apple is a business. I don't expect them to satisfy my every individual need and make a device that does everything I want it to do. For me personally, the touch makes too many compromises (storage, not compatible with accessories); and having a big screen isn't enough to overcome them for me to want to buy one. Adding Mail might be enough to tip the scales.
My ideal? Make it about 25% bigger (maybe even 720x480 screen), at least 32GB (64GB even better), compatible with the camera connector and radio remote, remove the stupid video out control chip mechanism (breaks all 3rd party video accessories), include Mail and a few of the other iPhone apps.
But by that argument, why include Wi-Fi at all then if it's so difficult and rare to find a hotspot? You can't sync to your computer via Wi-Fi, and if it's so hard to find a hotspot outside of your home, then why bother?
Personally, I would use it to catch up on e-mail on the train ride to work. I have no need for real-time e-mail during my commute. If I did, I'd already have a crackberry. But to be able to read and compose replies to be sent when I get to work would be a productive use of those 45 minutes.
But, unlike some people on these boards, I recognize that Apple is a business. I don't expect them to satisfy my every individual need and make a device that does everything I want it to do. For me personally, the touch makes too many compromises (storage, not compatible with accessories); and having a big screen isn't enough to overcome them for me to want to buy one. Adding Mail might be enough to tip the scales.
My ideal? Make it about 25% bigger (maybe even 720x480 screen), at least 32GB (64GB even better), compatible with the camera connector and radio remote, remove the stupid video out control chip mechanism (breaks all 3rd party video accessories), include Mail and a few of the other iPhone apps.
Yeah, I know...it'll never happen...
Something similar might happen. It's what we've been discussing on the Newton thread.
Here's one of my posts describing what I would like to see:
Unless you are planning on spending most of your time in WI-FI hotspots in order to get full use of weather , maps and stock apps as well as Mail apps . Wouldn't it be much better to get an iPhone . Just a thought .
Tempting thought, but there is that $2000 price difference to be considered. Also, WiFi is readily available, and I can get plenty done offline with things like Mail and Notes.
But by that argument, why include Wi-Fi at all then if it's so difficult and rare to find a hotspot? You can't sync to your computer via Wi-Fi, and if it's so hard to find a hotspot outside of your home, then why bother?
Personally, I would use it to catch up on e-mail on the train ride to work. I have no need for real-time e-mail during my commute. If I did, I'd already have a crackberry. But to be able to read and compose replies to be sent when I get to work would be a productive use of those 45 minutes.
But, unlike some people on these boards, I recognize that Apple is a business. I don't expect them to satisfy my every individual need and make a device that does everything I want it to do. For me personally, the touch makes too many compromises (storage, not compatible with accessories); and having a big screen isn't enough to overcome them for me to want to buy one. Adding Mail might be enough to tip the scales.
My ideal? Make it about 25% bigger (maybe even 720x480 screen), at least 32GB (64GB even better), compatible with the camera connector and radio remote, remove the stupid video out control chip mechanism (breaks all 3rd party video accessories), include Mail and a few of the other iPhone apps.
Yeah, I know...it'll never happen...
For the first part of your answer , maybe to spur businesses to add wifi to their establishments and you may have forgotten , to sell music via Wifi at Starbucks .
The reason why I did not buy the Touch is storage , I want my friends to see the pictures I have taken during trips and stuff and bringing my laptop is not my idea of fun . I view the other apps like Mail as nice add-ons but not important to me because of my profession .
I read the thread about the Apple Tablet and to be honest , it's would be nice if Apple would do sell that , my only concern is battery life . I want the battery life to last more than 12 hours and is replaceable . It would be nice for my work and it would complement my hobby .
It might happen , with Jobs , no one knows for certain .
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Since when was this CameraInsider?
Its good to see Apple give the touch calendar editing, another box ticked for me to be getting one (not there yet though).
We sometimes wander off topic. It's what makes it interesting. People can skip over posts that don't interest them.
Did Nikon back off on encrypting part of their RAW files in some models? I don't care if the particular model I'm looking at doesn't have it, I'd rather not support a maker that thinks it's OK to pull stunts like that.
The beta I used seems to work, but I can't say.
That why I posted that I will wait . You are correct though , the D3 is for the pros and advance amateurs and for that price point , the camera should and must be able to pay for itself overtime . One of the reasons why I wanted the D3 is that it is a full frame camera and I always wanted to use wide angle lenses for panoramic shots . But for that price , I am willing to wait for the Full Frame prosumer camera and just get the 70-200 lens .
Nikon has some good wide zooms for the APS cameras. The 12-24 is equiv. to an 18-36, and is a pretty good lens. Designed just for the APS frame. Go to their site.
Guys , If I am not mistaken , the Nikon D3 is not out yet so comparing it with an existing product using just the D3's specs is not an honest evaluation . Honestly , as a Nikon user , I like to have the D3 with the Nikkor 70-200 2.8 VR lens but I guess I have to wait .
I'm still shooting a D100 so I guess it can't jurt for me to wait a bit longer.
When at the PhotoExpo here in October, I had a good amount of time with the camera, taking pictures with my own 4 GB San Disk Extreme IV card.
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I've processed those images in Camera Raw, using a beta of the Nikon plug-in. The pictures are pretty good. The noise is about the same as my 5D up to 400. At 800, and above, they are a bit better. At 3200 they are noticably better in terms of total noise, but, Canon's noise has always been more filmlike, and more easily correctable. That's still true.
Now to try to pull this thread back on track. I'm noticing in this thread that you are not shy about using different software to get the effects that you want. To mean this shows the benefit of an open system and a manufacture not afraid to work with developers to get its file formats out there. The benefit to the camera maker is that the more ways that become popular to leverage their file formats the better off they are in the eyes of the photo community. They have become consumer friendly.
I look at Apples approach to the Touch as the opposite of being consumer friendly. The deletion of things like Mail from the Touch is mean spirited in the sense that it is a common app for PC's and is already working on the IPhone a compatible platform. It would be a different story with something software wise that is not a common app for a computing platform. But lets face it Mail is a common app and for many a primary app.
The thing about digital camera noise is that most of it can be gotten rid of. Camera Raw (preferably ver 4) does an excellent job of eliminating chroma noise at even the standard setting of 25%. Luminance noise is much less annoying, and can actually be desirable, if not too prominent. Programs such as Noise Ninja, and DXO can eliminate most all of the noise without damaging the image, if applied carefully.
Back to the Touch... I see again that you are not afraid to use alternative image manipulation programs. So what is up with somebody wanting a real mail app on their Touch and being chastised for it?
But, Nikon certainly have a high (though not normally usable) ISO.
I Love to talk about camera myself. Digital is certainly an interesting capability. What interests me about the D3 is that it is an ideal platform for people not working in fixed conditions. It is no surprise that they are targeting photo journalism for example.
The point is that the camera has its own set of features and can live side by side with the rest of Nikon SLR line up. Nikon does not, to the best of my knowledge, apply totally artificial constraints on its photo hardware unlike Apple with its Touch. Indeed with the D3 they went out of the way to develop a sensor that is very interesting and somewhat targeted to certain types of photography.
Dave
I'm still shooting a D100 so I guess it can't jurt for me to wait a bit longer.
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Now to try to pull this thread back on track. I'm noticing in this thread that you are not shy about using different software to get the effects that you want. To mean this shows the benefit of an open system and a manufacture not afraid to work with developers to get its file formats out there. The benefit to the camera maker is that the more ways that become popular to leverage their file formats the better off they are in the eyes of the photo community. They have become consumer friendly.
I look at Apples approach to the Touch as the opposite of being consumer friendly. The deletion of things like Mail from the Touch is mean spirited in the sense that it is a common app for PC's and is already working on the IPhone a compatible platform. It would be a different story with something software wise that is not a common app for a computing platform. But lets face it Mail is a common app and for many a primary app.
Well, if this were a computer, then I'd agree with you. But, it a pretty specialized device, as defined by Apple, just as all of Nikon's devices are. They all have features the others don't. You must pick and choose between them. and when you do, you lose the features the others may offer. what's new about that?
You may have noticed that I'm all for a real computing device with a 4 x 6 inch hi rez screen. That would solve many problems.
But, how many times do I have to remind people that Apple is coming out with an SDK?
Give it some time. Remember, even you are talking about an open environment. That means that Apple doesn't have to do it all. In fact, most would agree that it isn't desirable that Apple does it all.
Back to the Touch... I see again that you are not afraid to use alternative image manipulation programs. So what is up with somebody wanting a real mail app on their Touch and being chastised for it?
My answer is the same one I just gave right above.
I Love to talk about camera myself. Digital is certainly an interesting capability. What interests me about the D3 is that it is an ideal platform for people not working in fixed conditions. It is no surprise that they are targeting photo journalism for example.
The point is that the camera has its own set of features and can live side by side with the rest of Nikon SLR line up. Nikon does not, to the best of my knowledge, apply totally artificial constraints on its photo hardware unlike Apple with its Touch. Indeed with the D3 they went out of the way to develop a sensor that is very interesting and somewhat targeted to certain types of photography.
Dave
You might have noticed the question about Nikon's infamous encrypting of their RAW files from some of their cameras. That made it impossible to use them with any software other than their own, which interestingly enough, Nikon SELLS to its camera users, rather than giving it away as the others, notably Canon, do. Hmm, I wonder what that means? Oh yeah, it means that if you have a better camera from them, you can only shoot JPEGS unless you are willing to pop for their software.
Nikon is not the star in the sky here!
Nikon has some good wide zooms for the APS cameras. The 12-24 is equiv. to an 18-36, and is a pretty good lens. Designed just for the APS frame. Go to their site.
I know , but for the prices that Nikon is asking , they are not worth it Yet . But thanks for the info . BTW , I avoid buying Nikon software for use with my cameras for some reason and you have just told me why . If I am going to use RAW , I'll just go with Adobe's or Apple's offerings for the reasons you have posted .
The beta I used seems to work, but I can't say.
Beta? What I meant was that they had introduced a camera or two that encrypted some parts of the image file.
What's the plan here? Wait till the SDK comes out and let 3rd party developers to create these apps for the iPod touch??? That doesn't make any sense.
Unless you are planning on spending most of your time in WI-FI hotspots in order to get full use of weather , maps and stock apps as well as Mail apps . Wouldn't it be much better to get an iPhone . Just a thought .
I'm rarely impressed with the "People always want more".
Sure they do! I want my Canon 5D camera to be a 1DsMIII, but it isn't.
Apple gave this some great functionality over and above what a player has ever had before. But, people will always want more. That doesn't mean that they should get it.
You have to realize that Apple, like every other company, is in business to sell product, and make a profit. If they put every feature of the iPhone on this, other than the basic phone itself, there might be little reason to buy the phone. I can understand that. That's the way it should be. Products must have a well differentiated cut-off.
This is a player, with extras. It's not a communications device with extras.
You may not be happy about that, but that's what it is.
If you want more, wait until the SDK arrives. It's possible that third parties will come up with what you want. But, Apple is not obligated to blur the lines more than they think is good for them, and that's how it should be.
They have an obligation to both their customers, and to their stockholders. I'm both, and try to see it from both ends.
Your term "to be mean" is just plain silly. Talk about business.
Most people who buy this won't be concerned about what techies care about. We've seen the same thing for years now about the regular iPods with the tuner question. There is always that small, but very vocal, group who insists that the iPod MUST have a tuner, or sales will suffer. BS!
The same thing is true here. A few people will care about this, but most won't. Most who do care about this will buy it anyway, and continue to complain. A very few won't buy it at all.
I'm sure that Apple has figured this out.
Just what is it with your "Apple knows best" holier than thou attitude?!
You've flamed your way into this one Mr. G.
If you want to be a MacSheep - fine. Just don't expect everyone to play along to your tune.
Hey, you think the Touch is fine - great.
But don't criticize the rest of us for having a different opinion.
pmjoe
Unless you are planning on spending most of your time in WI-FI hotspots in order to get full use of weather , maps and stock apps as well as Mail apps . Wouldn't it be much better to get an iPhone . Just a thought .
Why does everyone keep thinking Mail is an online only app? Sure, weather you need to be online to check, and once you've checked it you are done with the app. So it has no offline use. Same for stocks and to a lesser extent maps (I can see wanting to keep a downloaded map on your screen even after you've gone offline).
But Mail has a lot of offline functionality. Think back to your dial-up days. You could read and compose emails offline and then send and retrieve new e-mail the next time you dial-up your ISP. Mail does not need a real-time connection. If you want instant messaging, use SMS and text messaging. There are many times when I'm offline with my laptop, and catch up on e-mail. You can't do that with web-based mail apps.
And even when I'm online, even on a full-fledged computer, using a mail client is much more convenient and flexible than any web-based e-mail I've used (Yahoo, Gmail, MS Exchange Web Mail, Comcast, my independent e-mail provider).
No flame war.
The iTouch isn't really supposed to be the communication device the phone is.
Um, right. It's a WiFi device, not a WiFi and telephone device.
Arguing that it should be less of a WiFi device is just silly. There's no excuse for not allowing customers to make full use of the device's WiFi and computational abilities.
Why does everyone keep thinking Mail is an online only app? Sure, weather you need to be online to check, and once you've checked it you are done with the app. So it has no offline use. Same for stocks and to a lesser extent maps (I can see wanting to keep a downloaded map on your screen even after you've gone offline).
But Mail has a lot of offline functionality. Think back to your dial-up days. You could read and compose emails offline and then send and retrieve new e-mail the next time you dial-up your ISP. Mail does not need a real-time connection. If you want instant messaging, use SMS and text messaging. There are many times when I'm offline with my laptop, and catch up on e-mail. You can't do that with web-based mail apps.
And even when I'm online, even on a full-fledged computer, using a mail client is much more convenient and flexible than any web-based e-mail I've used (Yahoo, Gmail, MS Exchange Web Mail, Comcast, my independent e-mail provider).
What you said is true but, a lot of places in the US or even the world has no WiFi capabilities and what is the point of composing emails in a WiFi music player that cannot receive or send emails because of lack WiFi
infrastructure especially when those offline /online emails are critical to your work and the next WiFi spot is about 400 miles away if you are lucky and reliable if you are really blessed .
I agree with you though about a mail client is better than web based email by a mile .
Beta? What I meant was that they had introduced a camera or two that encrypted some parts of the image file.
I know. They've done the encryption for a while.
The beta software they gave me allows me to use the encrypted files in Camera Raw, just like my Canon files. Otherwise, Adobe has to figure out the files themselves, which isn't quite as good.
I don't know if this will be released or not though.
Just one warning though. Nikon has come out with a new compressed RAW file. But it's not lossless compression. It loses a bit from the hi lite areas.
Just what is it with your "Apple knows best" holier than thou attitude?!
You've flamed your way into this one Mr. G.
If you want to be a MacSheep - fine. Just don't expect everyone to play along to your tune.
Hey, you think the Touch is fine - great.
But don't criticize the rest of us for having a different opinion.
I'm not saying that Apple knows best. Once you come here more often, you will know more about my attitude about Apple and its products.
What I'm saying, is that Apple does things, as every manufacturer does, because it's best for business. I'm not saying that all of its customers will be happy all of the time. No one can do that.
I'm also saying that they produce products in different categories, and if you want one, you have to live with the limitations.
That's actually called "reality".
Also, you seem to have absolutely no idea what a "flame" is. Why don't you go look it up?
You also don't understand the difference between differing opinions and criticism of your person.
I wasn't criticizing you before, but I am now.
Remember Truman's words:
"If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."
Um, right. It's a WiFi device, not a WiFi and telephone device.
Arguing that it should be less of a WiFi device is just silly. There's no excuse for not allowing customers to make full use of the device's WiFi and computational abilities.
The excuse is that Apple wants to keep the products separate. That's their idea. It's not silly, it's good for business, as very few people won't buy it because of mail.
What would have happened if they just allowed music and video sharing, to improve upon what MS did with the WiFi on the Zune? People would have been happy that Apple did that part right. But, Apple did far more, and because they didn't (yet) go all the way, a few people are complaining. Can't satisfy everyone.
Honestly, I don't know what I would have done if it were my decision.
What you said is true but, a lot of places in the US or even the world has no WiFi capabilities and what is the point of composing emails in a WiFi music player that cannot receive or send emails because of lack WiFi
infrastructure especially when those offline /online emails are critical to your work and the next WiFi spot is about 400 miles away if you are lucky and reliable if you are really blessed .
I agree with you though about a mail client is better than web based email by a mile .
But by that argument, why include Wi-Fi at all then if it's so difficult and rare to find a hotspot? You can't sync to your computer via Wi-Fi, and if it's so hard to find a hotspot outside of your home, then why bother?
Personally, I would use it to catch up on e-mail on the train ride to work. I have no need for real-time e-mail during my commute. If I did, I'd already have a crackberry. But to be able to read and compose replies to be sent when I get to work would be a productive use of those 45 minutes.
But, unlike some people on these boards, I recognize that Apple is a business. I don't expect them to satisfy my every individual need and make a device that does everything I want it to do. For me personally, the touch makes too many compromises (storage, not compatible with accessories); and having a big screen isn't enough to overcome them for me to want to buy one. Adding Mail might be enough to tip the scales.
My ideal? Make it about 25% bigger (maybe even 720x480 screen), at least 32GB (64GB even better), compatible with the camera connector and radio remote, remove the stupid video out control chip mechanism (breaks all 3rd party video accessories), include Mail and a few of the other iPhone apps.
Yeah, I know...it'll never happen...
But by that argument, why include Wi-Fi at all then if it's so difficult and rare to find a hotspot? You can't sync to your computer via Wi-Fi, and if it's so hard to find a hotspot outside of your home, then why bother?
Personally, I would use it to catch up on e-mail on the train ride to work. I have no need for real-time e-mail during my commute. If I did, I'd already have a crackberry. But to be able to read and compose replies to be sent when I get to work would be a productive use of those 45 minutes.
But, unlike some people on these boards, I recognize that Apple is a business. I don't expect them to satisfy my every individual need and make a device that does everything I want it to do. For me personally, the touch makes too many compromises (storage, not compatible with accessories); and having a big screen isn't enough to overcome them for me to want to buy one. Adding Mail might be enough to tip the scales.
My ideal? Make it about 25% bigger (maybe even 720x480 screen), at least 32GB (64GB even better), compatible with the camera connector and radio remote, remove the stupid video out control chip mechanism (breaks all 3rd party video accessories), include Mail and a few of the other iPhone apps.
Yeah, I know...it'll never happen...
Something similar might happen. It's what we've been discussing on the Newton thread.
Here's one of my posts describing what I would like to see:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...9&postcount=72
Here's the article and the thread. It's actually a very good one.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=80819
pmjoe
Unless you are planning on spending most of your time in WI-FI hotspots in order to get full use of weather , maps and stock apps as well as Mail apps . Wouldn't it be much better to get an iPhone . Just a thought .
Tempting thought, but there is that $2000 price difference to be considered. Also, WiFi is readily available, and I can get plenty done offline with things like Mail and Notes.
But by that argument, why include Wi-Fi at all then if it's so difficult and rare to find a hotspot? You can't sync to your computer via Wi-Fi, and if it's so hard to find a hotspot outside of your home, then why bother?
Personally, I would use it to catch up on e-mail on the train ride to work. I have no need for real-time e-mail during my commute. If I did, I'd already have a crackberry. But to be able to read and compose replies to be sent when I get to work would be a productive use of those 45 minutes.
But, unlike some people on these boards, I recognize that Apple is a business. I don't expect them to satisfy my every individual need and make a device that does everything I want it to do. For me personally, the touch makes too many compromises (storage, not compatible with accessories); and having a big screen isn't enough to overcome them for me to want to buy one. Adding Mail might be enough to tip the scales.
My ideal? Make it about 25% bigger (maybe even 720x480 screen), at least 32GB (64GB even better), compatible with the camera connector and radio remote, remove the stupid video out control chip mechanism (breaks all 3rd party video accessories), include Mail and a few of the other iPhone apps.
Yeah, I know...it'll never happen...
For the first part of your answer , maybe to spur businesses to add wifi to their establishments and you may have forgotten , to sell music via Wifi at Starbucks .
The reason why I did not buy the Touch is storage , I want my friends to see the pictures I have taken during trips and stuff and bringing my laptop is not my idea of fun . I view the other apps like Mail as nice add-ons but not important to me because of my profession .
I read the thread about the Apple Tablet and to be honest , it's would be nice if Apple would do sell that , my only concern is battery life . I want the battery life to last more than 12 hours and is replaceable . It would be nice for my work and it would complement my hobby .
It might happen , with Jobs , no one knows for certain .