Blu-ray Disc Association. Look it up. Then come back and try to say with a straight face that Sony singlehandedly controls Blu-ray. Sony haters are so blinded by their hatred that they can't even find out the facts, if they even care about them.
Does DVD-R have 66% greater capacity than DVD+R or vice versa? Enough of this "they're basically the same" BS.
P.S. For anyone who says "Paramount denies it," remember that Warner also said only a few weeks ago that they were not going Blu-ray exclusive.
I know Sony doesn't the sole blu-ray guys. If you check, they are a very big player. I had all Sony media equipment for years. In recent years, they got carried away with this garbage. Since that time, I have switched everything to another manufacture.
DVD-R and DVD+R are not the same thing. OK, so the capacity is the same. Samsung makes players that play both so we know its possible. There is no reason to pick sides yet. $$$ can be influential though.
My point is, if Sony (a major player in the Blu-Ray Disc Association) wins this battle this easily, they will continue to release their own media designs which in many cases are worse than the standard; ie memory stick.
Quote:
I don't think 8mm was intended to be a media distribution format, any more than miniDV is. I think miniDV is JVC.
Well they did introduce the set-top 8MM box and did release some movies on 8MM.
I know Sony doesn't the sole blu-ray guys. If you check, they are a very big player. I had all Sony media equipment for years. In recent years, they got carried away with this garbage. Since that time, I have switched everything to another manufacture.
DVD-R and DVD+R are not the same thing. OK, so the capacity is the same. Samsung makes players that play both so we know its possible. There is no reason to pick sides yet. $$$ can be influential though.
My point is, if Sony (a major player in the Blu-Ray Disc Association) wins this battle this easily, they will continue to release their own media designs which in many cases are worse than the standard; ie memory stick.
Well they did introduce the set-top 8MM box and did release some movies on 8MM.
If you look at the proliferation of memory card types out there, you won't be able to blame Sony for coming out with their own.
I wasn't happy that they did, but they have the right to try to make money off something so many others are making money from.
If companies didn't try to one up the competition, we would still all have pianos in our living rooms.
Of course they're denying it, that bag on money in the corner won't let them change for probably another year.
It's been widely reported that there was a clause in the contract to switch under certain conditions. 150 mil isn't close to what other studios are being bribed. I'm sure they could get more from Blu-ray camp if they wanted.
It's been widely reported that there was a clause in the contract to switch under certain conditions. 150 mil isn't close to what other studios are being bribed. I'm sure they could get more from Blu-ray camp if they wanted.
There's no evidence that ANY other studio has been "bribed". If that were true, we would have heard of it as we heard about this.
But there are always escape clauses in contracts like this. I'm sure Paramount would have insisted upon it. What we read is that if Warner moved to BD exclusively, then they could leave as well. Since Warner is the biggest, that would make sense.
Their move to HD-DVD was supposed to be the deciding factor in the fight, but it wasn't.
It's interesting to note that the ratio of BD to HD-DVD disks sold after Paramount moved over didn't drop at all. One would have thought that there would have been some drop, as Paramount is a big studio, and with hits such as Transformers...
Even more interesting is that the ratio in December has been reported to have moved to 3:1. Again, despite Paramount no longer contributing to those BD sales. I've been told by someone I know in the industry that that number, in the end, is what moved Warner to declare for BD.
And don't forget that Warner, Paramount, and Fox were all negotiating to move exclusively to HD-DVD last year, when Fox got cold feet. Supposedly, that was what first got Warner to reconsider. Toshiba then had to pay Paramount to go ahead with their plans.
There's no evidence that ANY other studio has been "bribed". If that were true, we would have heard of it as we heard about this.
From what I've heard, reps from every studio dodges this question when it's asked, so I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
Even more interesting is that the ratio in December has been reported to have moved to 3:1. Again, despite Paramount no longer contributing to those BD sales. I've been told by someone I know in the industry that that number, in the end, is what moved Warner to declare for BD.
It's not that hard when there are the seemingly constant BOGO sales covering almost entire studio catalogs, even very recent releases like the newest Harry Potters. The BOGO sales for HD DVD didn't happen as often as far as I remember, or cover as large of a catalog.
Even more interesting is that the ratio in December has been reported to have moved to 3:1. Again, despite Paramount no longer contributing to those BD sales. I've been told by someone I know in the industry that that number, in the end, is what moved Warner to declare for BD.
And don't forget that Warner, Paramount, and Fox were all negotiating to move exclusively to HD-DVD last year, when Fox got cold feet. Supposedly, that was what first got Warner to reconsider. Toshiba then had to pay Paramount to go ahead with their plans.
This whole story is a twisted movie plot, is it not?
Some US screenwriter should pitch it to Universal, just change
From what I've heard, reps from every studio dodges this question when it's asked, so I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion.
No, every studio asked, has denyed it. There is no reason we shouldn't believe it.
I agree with Warners statement about this when asked.
They said that compared to the amount of money lost or won upon backing the right or wrong format, any money offered in the short term would be peanuts (my words, but similar to what they said).
Quote:
It's not that hard when there are the seemingly constant BOGO sales covering almost entire studio catalogs, even very recent releases like the newest Harry Potters. The BOGO sales for HD DVD didn't happen as often as far as I remember, or cover as large of a catalog.
It's not just that. If you look at the numbers Warners and others are quoting, you will see that for every dual release, BD sales are 60:40 to HD-DVD. And that has been rising.
No, every studio asked, has denyed it. There is no reason we shouldn't believe it.
I agree with Warners statement about this when asked.
They said that compared to the amount of money lost or won upon backing the right or wrong format, any money offered in the short term would be peanuts (my words, but similar to what they said).
I agree.
I think he mentioned the market being worth $40 billion. A bribe would have to be substantial (more than anyone had even suggested as possible) to convince them to help protract the format war much longer. In relation to $40 billion, what is $150 or even $500 million in the short term?
I think he mentioned the market being worth $40 billion. A bribe would have to be substantial (more than anyone had even suggested as possible) to convince them to help protract the format war much longer. In relation to $40 billion, what is $150 or even $500 million in the short term?
The various companies lined up years ago. It's only in the past year that anything close to useful sales have been achieved, and even that's small. But the numbers already are not. About 4 million disks have been sold so far. That's at least $120 million in sales. Even a still miniscule 40 million sale a year would result in $1.2 billion. Future sales will be far larger.
When considering a hi def machine, as long as it's remembered that they also play DVD and CD's, it's no biggie buying one. Unlike older format changes, all the old movies are forwards compatible, and will be upscaled, where they look fine (that's one of the problems).
Whoever makes these machines, whether BD or HD-DVD will thus have a market for them whether the new disks fail in the marketplace or not. They know that.
The content players also know that as the price of the players continue to come down, and eventually replace all of the higher priced (and likely medium priced players as well) DVD players, the ability to play Hi def will become established, like it or not. DVD movies will eventually be phased out, and only the winner of this war will remain. They know that too.
Even though there are wags who predict that downloads are the future, that's the problem with them. They will be the future. Right now, they encompass less than the sales of hi def movie disks.
I'd be willing to bet that for the next few years, hi def movie disk sales will grow faster than downloads, though perhaps not for rental, though even there it's not clear.
Only after more people have faster connections, and true hi def movies are downloadable, will that begin to change.
People are buying large hi def screens, and they want want hi def movies to watch on them. 720p isn't going to satisfy most people when they KNOW that disks are better, even though their own circumstances may not give them the ability to actually SEE the higher def, due to screen size and seating distance.
That's just the way people are.
So we're talking about tens of billions in disk sales as well as billions in player sales.
Next year this time, when several players are available for under $100, most of the argument will be forgotten.
Next year this time, when several players are available for under $100, most of the argument will be forgotten.
This is very true. Everyone has been so caught up in every tidbit of information that I think the war has dragged out even longer than it should have. Fanbois on both sides were impossible to deal with. AVSFORUM.com had to SHUT DOWN because of the slamming that was going on. Death threats were happening. It was insanity. Just to think HD-DVD debuted only 20 months ago. I never could have predicted this war ending like this. I figured it would have been a slow drawn out death... but I think this news was big enough that even the non-techy people heard it and know what choice is clear.
Read the article again you idiot. They said they are supporting HD-DVD... no where in YOUR article does it say they WON'T support Blu-ray. Business logic will tell you they will HAVE to be hybrid for a while no matter what. Even if HD-DVD fell off the face of the planet next week they would still have to clear inventory. Of course they aren't going to say they aren't support hd-dvd... their sales would stop instantly and they would be stuck with a ton of stock of HD-DVDs... at the very least the title needs to be changed. Your url isn't the only one related to this subject... read them all before you yell and make retarded demands. In fact just go away so we don't have to listen to your whining.
Well, these "rumours" we're denied by Paramount. Nothing here to watch, move on...
"nothing to see here" ?? HAHAHAH! Are you seriously that shortsighted or just a HDDVD fanboy?? Of COURSE Paramount is going to publicy deny anything about them switching as that's exactly how large companies function. They don't say a word until the final moment they have everything in place to announce major news! Case in point: The weeks leading up to Warner's announcement of Blu-ray exclusivity saw them issuing denials to that rumor even up to only a few days before they announced the switch!
You can GUARANTEE that there is a whirlwind of talk, deals, and posturing behind the scenes of Paramount and the BDA.If you think Paramount's public denial represents anything more significant than corporate posturing and strategy concealment, then you are seriously deluding yourself. READ BETWEEN THE LINES!
Why do you ask? Do i have to be a die hard HD DVD supporter if i don't believe every little rumour popping up? Why is it bugging you so much? How many Apple rumours through the years have been true?
I'm just so fed up with all stupid rumours and everybody is up jumping and yelling like small girls. I think it's just better to just sit tight and see what's going to happen in a week or two.
Comments
Blu-ray Disc Association. Look it up. Then come back and try to say with a straight face that Sony singlehandedly controls Blu-ray. Sony haters are so blinded by their hatred that they can't even find out the facts, if they even care about them.
Does DVD-R have 66% greater capacity than DVD+R or vice versa? Enough of this "they're basically the same" BS.
P.S. For anyone who says "Paramount denies it," remember that Warner also said only a few weeks ago that they were not going Blu-ray exclusive.
I know Sony doesn't the sole blu-ray guys. If you check, they are a very big player. I had all Sony media equipment for years. In recent years, they got carried away with this garbage. Since that time, I have switched everything to another manufacture.
DVD-R and DVD+R are not the same thing. OK, so the capacity is the same. Samsung makes players that play both so we know its possible. There is no reason to pick sides yet. $$$ can be influential though.
My point is, if Sony (a major player in the Blu-Ray Disc Association) wins this battle this easily, they will continue to release their own media designs which in many cases are worse than the standard; ie memory stick.
I don't think 8mm was intended to be a media distribution format, any more than miniDV is. I think miniDV is JVC.
Well they did introduce the set-top 8MM box and did release some movies on 8MM.
I know Sony doesn't the sole blu-ray guys. If you check, they are a very big player. I had all Sony media equipment for years. In recent years, they got carried away with this garbage. Since that time, I have switched everything to another manufacture.
DVD-R and DVD+R are not the same thing. OK, so the capacity is the same. Samsung makes players that play both so we know its possible. There is no reason to pick sides yet. $$$ can be influential though.
My point is, if Sony (a major player in the Blu-Ray Disc Association) wins this battle this easily, they will continue to release their own media designs which in many cases are worse than the standard; ie memory stick.
Well they did introduce the set-top 8MM box and did release some movies on 8MM.
If you look at the proliferation of memory card types out there, you won't be able to blame Sony for coming out with their own.
I wasn't happy that they did, but they have the right to try to make money off something so many others are making money from.
If companies didn't try to one up the competition, we would still all have pianos in our living rooms.
True. Its definitely a situation that's more than meets the eye.
That's groan making.
Of course they're denying it, that bag on money in the corner won't let them change for probably another year.
It's been widely reported that there was a clause in the contract to switch under certain conditions. 150 mil isn't close to what other studios are being bribed. I'm sure they could get more from Blu-ray camp if they wanted.
It's been widely reported that there was a clause in the contract to switch under certain conditions. 150 mil isn't close to what other studios are being bribed. I'm sure they could get more from Blu-ray camp if they wanted.
There's no evidence that ANY other studio has been "bribed". If that were true, we would have heard of it as we heard about this.
But there are always escape clauses in contracts like this. I'm sure Paramount would have insisted upon it. What we read is that if Warner moved to BD exclusively, then they could leave as well. Since Warner is the biggest, that would make sense.
Their move to HD-DVD was supposed to be the deciding factor in the fight, but it wasn't.
It's interesting to note that the ratio of BD to HD-DVD disks sold after Paramount moved over didn't drop at all. One would have thought that there would have been some drop, as Paramount is a big studio, and with hits such as Transformers...
Even more interesting is that the ratio in December has been reported to have moved to 3:1. Again, despite Paramount no longer contributing to those BD sales. I've been told by someone I know in the industry that that number, in the end, is what moved Warner to declare for BD.
And don't forget that Warner, Paramount, and Fox were all negotiating to move exclusively to HD-DVD last year, when Fox got cold feet. Supposedly, that was what first got Warner to reconsider. Toshiba then had to pay Paramount to go ahead with their plans.
There's no evidence that ANY other studio has been "bribed". If that were true, we would have heard of it as we heard about this.
From what I've heard, reps from every studio dodges this question when it's asked, so I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion.
Even more interesting is that the ratio in December has been reported to have moved to 3:1. Again, despite Paramount no longer contributing to those BD sales. I've been told by someone I know in the industry that that number, in the end, is what moved Warner to declare for BD.
It's not that hard when there are the seemingly constant BOGO sales covering almost entire studio catalogs, even very recent releases like the newest Harry Potters. The BOGO sales for HD DVD didn't happen as often as far as I remember, or cover as large of a catalog.
(...)
Even more interesting is that the ratio in December has been reported to have moved to 3:1. Again, despite Paramount no longer contributing to those BD sales. I've been told by someone I know in the industry that that number, in the end, is what moved Warner to declare for BD.
And don't forget that Warner, Paramount, and Fox were all negotiating to move exclusively to HD-DVD last year, when Fox got cold feet. Supposedly, that was what first got Warner to reconsider. Toshiba then had to pay Paramount to go ahead with their plans.
This whole story is a twisted movie plot, is it not?
Some US screenwriter should pitch it to Universal, just change
the names and here you go.
(Oh I forgot, screenwriters are still in strike.)
At The Very Least The Title Of The Thread Should Be Changed!
From what I've heard, reps from every studio dodges this question when it's asked, so I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion.
No, every studio asked, has denyed it. There is no reason we shouldn't believe it.
I agree with Warners statement about this when asked.
They said that compared to the amount of money lost or won upon backing the right or wrong format, any money offered in the short term would be peanuts (my words, but similar to what they said).
It's not that hard when there are the seemingly constant BOGO sales covering almost entire studio catalogs, even very recent releases like the newest Harry Potters. The BOGO sales for HD DVD didn't happen as often as far as I remember, or cover as large of a catalog.
It's not just that. If you look at the numbers Warners and others are quoting, you will see that for every dual release, BD sales are 60:40 to HD-DVD. And that has been rising.
This Article Has Been Confirmed As Not Factual And Should Be Removed Immediately!
At The Very Least The Title Of The Thread Should Be Changed!
No, you're wrong. more information has said that this is very likely.
Why are you insisting otherwise?
No, every studio asked, has denyed it. There is no reason we shouldn't believe it.
I agree with Warners statement about this when asked.
They said that compared to the amount of money lost or won upon backing the right or wrong format, any money offered in the short term would be peanuts (my words, but similar to what they said).
I agree.
I think he mentioned the market being worth $40 billion. A bribe would have to be substantial (more than anyone had even suggested as possible) to convince them to help protract the format war much longer. In relation to $40 billion, what is $150 or even $500 million in the short term?
I agree.
I think he mentioned the market being worth $40 billion. A bribe would have to be substantial (more than anyone had even suggested as possible) to convince them to help protract the format war much longer. In relation to $40 billion, what is $150 or even $500 million in the short term?
The various companies lined up years ago. It's only in the past year that anything close to useful sales have been achieved, and even that's small. But the numbers already are not. About 4 million disks have been sold so far. That's at least $120 million in sales. Even a still miniscule 40 million sale a year would result in $1.2 billion. Future sales will be far larger.
When considering a hi def machine, as long as it's remembered that they also play DVD and CD's, it's no biggie buying one. Unlike older format changes, all the old movies are forwards compatible, and will be upscaled, where they look fine (that's one of the problems).
Whoever makes these machines, whether BD or HD-DVD will thus have a market for them whether the new disks fail in the marketplace or not. They know that.
The content players also know that as the price of the players continue to come down, and eventually replace all of the higher priced (and likely medium priced players as well) DVD players, the ability to play Hi def will become established, like it or not. DVD movies will eventually be phased out, and only the winner of this war will remain. They know that too.
Even though there are wags who predict that downloads are the future, that's the problem with them. They will be the future. Right now, they encompass less than the sales of hi def movie disks.
I'd be willing to bet that for the next few years, hi def movie disk sales will grow faster than downloads, though perhaps not for rental, though even there it's not clear.
Only after more people have faster connections, and true hi def movies are downloadable, will that begin to change.
People are buying large hi def screens, and they want want hi def movies to watch on them. 720p isn't going to satisfy most people when they KNOW that disks are better, even though their own circumstances may not give them the ability to actually SEE the higher def, due to screen size and seating distance.
That's just the way people are.
So we're talking about tens of billions in disk sales as well as billions in player sales.
Next year this time, when several players are available for under $100, most of the argument will be forgotten.
Next year this time, when several players are available for under $100, most of the argument will be forgotten.
This is very true. Everyone has been so caught up in every tidbit of information that I think the war has dragged out even longer than it should have. Fanbois on both sides were impossible to deal with. AVSFORUM.com had to SHUT DOWN because of the slamming that was going on. Death threats were happening. It was insanity. Just to think HD-DVD debuted only 20 months ago. I never could have predicted this war ending like this. I figured it would have been a slow drawn out death... but I think this news was big enough that even the non-techy people heard it and know what choice is clear.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...y-blu-ray.html
No, you're wrong. more information has said that this is very likely.
Why are you insisting otherwise?
NO YOU ARE WRONG> READ THIS
BLU RAY FAN BOYZ:
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/la-times...nd-hd-dvd/5096
The WHOLE TREAD IS BS> SO MUCH FOR TRUTH ON APPLEINSIDER>
REMOVE THIS ARTICLE NOW.
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=35521
More gum for chewing:
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=35521
I agree with that. I've been trying to put those same points across.
It would be suicide for them not to do that.
And no member of the BD group would even think of going the other way now that it's about over.
Well, these "rumours" we're denied by Paramount. Nothing here to watch, move on...
"nothing to see here" ?? HAHAHAH! Are you seriously that shortsighted or just a HDDVD fanboy?? Of COURSE Paramount is going to publicy deny anything about them switching as that's exactly how large companies function. They don't say a word until the final moment they have everything in place to announce major news! Case in point: The weeks leading up to Warner's announcement of Blu-ray exclusivity saw them issuing denials to that rumor even up to only a few days before they announced the switch!
You can GUARANTEE that there is a whirlwind of talk, deals, and posturing behind the scenes of Paramount and the BDA.If you think Paramount's public denial represents anything more significant than corporate posturing and strategy concealment, then you are seriously deluding yourself. READ BETWEEN THE LINES!
Why do you ask? Do i have to be a die hard HD DVD supporter if i don't believe every little rumour popping up? Why is it bugging you so much? How many Apple rumours through the years have been true?
I'm just so fed up with all stupid rumours and everybody is up jumping and yelling like small girls. I think it's just better to just sit tight and see what's going to happen in a week or two.
someone bitter?