haha... be nice.... even if he sounds more like a potential troll.
OMG. Where is the :rollseyes: smiley? Trouble is I've SEEN 720p on a 1080p 52" inch screen before. I hang out at the local consumer electronics store every now and again. And I was NOT impressed by what I saw. Thats especially so when the big screen right next to it was showing some blu-ray movie....I forget which.
Now excuse me while I finish up digesting lunch.........grilled chicken with hummus and veggies on a whole wheat wrap.
Movies are a much easier test than a live-action sporting event. If movie looks bad on a particular setup, then the most logical explanation for the low-quality lies in the specific setup.
Movies are a much easier test than a live-action sporting event. If movie looks bad on a particular setup, then the most logical explanation for the low-quality lies in the specific setup.
I have to admit sometimes I am frustrated while looking at various input sources on various screens in a store. Sometimes I wish I could order the salespeople to hook up specific types of source input and to fine tune all the settings on several screens to my liking. That way I can conduct a proper comparison.
I'm sorry but with this news my official opinion on macworld 2008 is that it SUCKED !!!!
HD rentals imo was the only real important announcement from the show. I was all excited at first about it then I learned you can only get the HD movies if you buy the appletv........ok fine. I thought, finally what I have been waiting for, full 1080p HD downloads. TO HELL WITH BLU-RAY AND HD-DVD!!!
I was all set to even go out to buy a big freakin 52" monster of an lcd all because of that take2 apple tv.
Now I learn the friggin thing is still only 720p!!!!!
ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, since I'm NOT buying the ultra slim notebook and there is no mactouch and no real HD appletv to speak of..........I'm kinda dissapointed.
Olternaut,
Any 50" tv worth it's stones should do a great job on the upconvert from 720p to 1080p.
You missed this one. Standard 720p is 720p60. You are correct about 1080i.
Huh, I did not know that 720P supported 60Hz. However, according to Wikipedia, it also supports 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60, all as part of the "standard". Not only that, but in the US, 24 fps is normally used for broadcast movies, 60fps is used for sports.
Broadcast 1080i is usually 30fps (full-frame) in the US
Isn't this thread really about the AppleTV? Accorging to Apple, it only supports 720P at 24fps. Comparing that with a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, even at 24fps, it's still at the 44% mark, with a horrifically low bitrate to boot.
Huh, I did not know that 720P supported 60Hz. However, according to Wikipedia, it also supports 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60, all as part of the "standard". Not only that, but in the US, 24 fps is normally used for broadcast movies, 60fps is used for sports.
Broadcast 1080i is usually 30fps (full-frame) in the US
Isn't this thread really about the AppleTV? Accorging to Apple, it only supports 720P at 24fps. Comparing that with a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, even at 24fps, it's still at the 44% mark, with a horrifically low bitrate to boot.
So just like with Apple hardware the best thing to do is wait for at least the first revision of their HD download service?
... However, according to Wikipedia, it also supports 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60, all as part of the "standard". ...
The Wikipedia piece is trying to explain what are essentially two mutually-exclusive standards in one piece. The 24, 20, and 60 fps are the successors to the old NTSC standard. The successors to the old PAL/SECAM standard are 25 and 50. They are not combined. There is also some confusion about how 720p and 1080i are used. NBC, CBS, their affiliates, and certain cable networks broadcast HDTV programming in 1080i60. They broadcast all of their HD programming in 1080i60--live newscasts, filmed programming, and taped programming. Fox, ABC, ESPN, and other cable networks broadcast HDTV programming in 720p60. They broadcast all of their HDTV programming in 720p60. None of these broadcasters and cable networks switch HDTV broadcast formats based on their content. Each has chosen a format that best fits most of its programming and uses that format for everything.
... You can't always tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or between 5.1 and 7.1 sound ...
One of my favorite nit-picks.
As far as I know, absolutely nothing is in 7.1 surround.
7.1 is actually 6.1 with two speakers on the rear channel. On top of that, few movies have ever been mastered in 6.1 discrete. Most movies that bother to do 6.1 are actually 6.1 matrix, with the rear channel being matrixed out of the two surround channels. But hopefully that's changing now that they've got more disk space play with.
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haha... be nice.... even if he sounds more like a potential troll.
OMG. Where is the :rollseyes: smiley? Trouble is I've SEEN 720p on a 1080p 52" inch screen before. I hang out at the local consumer electronics store every now and again. And I was NOT impressed by what I saw. Thats especially so when the big screen right next to it was showing some blu-ray movie....I forget which.
Now excuse me while I finish up digesting lunch.........grilled chicken with hummus and veggies on a whole wheat wrap.
Thats the superbowl. I'm talking 1080p movies.
Movies are a much easier test than a live-action sporting event. If movie looks bad on a particular setup, then the most logical explanation for the low-quality lies in the specific setup.
Movies are a much easier test than a live-action sporting event. If movie looks bad on a particular setup, then the most logical explanation for the low-quality lies in the specific setup.
I have to admit sometimes I am frustrated while looking at various input sources on various screens in a store. Sometimes I wish I could order the salespeople to hook up specific types of source input and to fine tune all the settings on several screens to my liking. That way I can conduct a proper comparison.
I'm sorry but with this news my official opinion on macworld 2008 is that it SUCKED !!!!
HD rentals imo was the only real important announcement from the show. I was all excited at first about it then I learned you can only get the HD movies if you buy the appletv........ok fine. I thought, finally what I have been waiting for, full 1080p HD downloads. TO HELL WITH BLU-RAY AND HD-DVD!!!
I was all set to even go out to buy a big freakin 52" monster of an lcd all because of that take2 apple tv.
Now I learn the friggin thing is still only 720p!!!!!
ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, since I'm NOT buying the ultra slim notebook and there is no mactouch and no real HD appletv to speak of..........I'm kinda dissapointed.
Olternaut,
Any 50" tv worth it's stones should do a great job on the upconvert from 720p to 1080p.
You missed this one. Standard 720p is 720p60. You are correct about 1080i.
Huh, I did not know that 720P supported 60Hz. However, according to Wikipedia, it also supports 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60, all as part of the "standard". Not only that, but in the US, 24 fps is normally used for broadcast movies, 60fps is used for sports.
Broadcast 1080i is usually 30fps (full-frame) in the US
Isn't this thread really about the AppleTV? Accorging to Apple, it only supports 720P at 24fps. Comparing that with a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, even at 24fps, it's still at the 44% mark, with a horrifically low bitrate to boot.
Huh, I did not know that 720P supported 60Hz. However, according to Wikipedia, it also supports 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60, all as part of the "standard". Not only that, but in the US, 24 fps is normally used for broadcast movies, 60fps is used for sports.
Broadcast 1080i is usually 30fps (full-frame) in the US
Isn't this thread really about the AppleTV? Accorging to Apple, it only supports 720P at 24fps. Comparing that with a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, even at 24fps, it's still at the 44% mark, with a horrifically low bitrate to boot.
So just like with Apple hardware the best thing to do is wait for at least the first revision of their HD download service?
... However, according to Wikipedia, it also supports 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60, all as part of the "standard". ...
The Wikipedia piece is trying to explain what are essentially two mutually-exclusive standards in one piece. The 24, 20, and 60 fps are the successors to the old NTSC standard. The successors to the old PAL/SECAM standard are 25 and 50. They are not combined. There is also some confusion about how 720p and 1080i are used. NBC, CBS, their affiliates, and certain cable networks broadcast HDTV programming in 1080i60. They broadcast all of their HD programming in 1080i60--live newscasts, filmed programming, and taped programming. Fox, ABC, ESPN, and other cable networks broadcast HDTV programming in 720p60. They broadcast all of their HDTV programming in 720p60. None of these broadcasters and cable networks switch HDTV broadcast formats based on their content. Each has chosen a format that best fits most of its programming and uses that format for everything.
... You can't always tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or between 5.1 and 7.1 sound ...
One of my favorite nit-picks.
As far as I know, absolutely nothing is in 7.1 surround.
7.1 is actually 6.1 with two speakers on the rear channel. On top of that, few movies have ever been mastered in 6.1 discrete. Most movies that bother to do 6.1 are actually 6.1 matrix, with the rear channel being matrixed out of the two surround channels. But hopefully that's changing now that they've got more disk space play with.