By the way, EDGE uses more power than 3G. Don't forget to believe the Apple lie about this too.
Until you supply support for your 'lie', I'll stick by Jobs when he stated,
"When we looked at 3G, the chipsets are not quite mature, in the sense that they're not low-enough power for what we were looking for. They were not integrated enough, so they took up too much physical space. We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision."
Until you supply support for your 'lie', I'll stick by Jobs when he stated,
"When we looked at 3G, the chipsets are not quite mature, in the sense that they're not low-enough power for what we were looking for. They were not integrated enough, so they took up too much physical space. We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision."
I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.
Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.
At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
Actually, you are correct. If you remove the UI and just look at the technology, the iPhone is 3 to 4 years old. Smart marketing and not so bright customers make for rich Apple/AT&T. Go take a look at Nokia's N82 or even the N81. These are "real" smartphone, offering real functionality.
I don't care what the innards are like & if they are 20 year old designs. The use of the iPhone is what matters to me & it is vastly superior to all the many Nokia's & SE phones that I have had - 3G ones included
The functionality of the iPhone is perfect for me - faster downloads would be nice, bit doesn't affect my enjoyment & looking at internet sites is soo much better than with other phones that I am really pleased with it. This coupled with the integration with my apply computer makes it great.
In fact, I am just sitting next to a colleague who loves her iPhone that much that she has swapped her windows laptop for a 15" MBP (which she is using as I type & loves!)
3G iPhone will be nice, but hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the 2.5G version
People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!
That's more than a bit much to say. I ran the numbers on a major city and by land area, the open WiFi APs cover about 0.01% of the city.
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iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
Nokia aren't the only makers of 3G hardware.
But I haven't seen a claim like yours, even on this site.
Your statement: "the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect." The iPhone will connect to all GSM networks. Not the 3G networks, but will fall back to EDGE (if they make it EDGE capable still), and GSM networks. This is standard for any phone.
You say: "UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA".
Answer: That's only two bands but for the sake of argument, I will assume you include GSM as well. Here you are talking about 900/1800mhz, as well as the US frequencies, i.e. 850mhz.
You say: "but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected..."
Answer: Sorry but this is not theoretical. Europe has been a one SIM card user almost from the beginning. I have one SIM and I use my one phone (Nokia) all over the world, and I use my unlocked iPhone all over the world as well via ONE SIM card. SOOOOOOOOOO........ you are a bit incorrect in much of what you said but at least you are thinking.
1st: regarding GSM, i was talking about data services only, not voice... (and when connected to 3G your phones does everything via that cnnection, also voice. once your back on a GSM channel you will do your voice via GSM again)
2nd: roaming, if you use your home SIM-card everywhere in the world you must be pretty rich, or your company pays the horrendous bill... for people like me that are self employed and always try to save a buck or two it makes sense to have SIM card for each country you regularly travel to. i don't take my SIM-card out if i travel to that country only once... doesn't make sense economically...
I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.
Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.
At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
He asked for supporting evidence, not 'a friend of a friend told me once' BS.
Your ode to "Nokia and SE" reveal your troll status. Go back under your bridge or supply evidence, not hearsay.
Congratulations! You just won the award for snottiest post ever! To claim your reward, simply blow your nose in some tissue, then hang the tissue on the wall!
P.S. I am fully aware of the potential hypocrisy of my post... I just had to say something...
People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
not really true, the latest HSDPA standard is 7.2/14.4Mbit (7.2Mbit readily available)
my DSL @ home is 16Mbit down, but i think i'm one of the lucky few with broadband that fast @ home (i know, there's faster lines, but hose are even more rare, especially in the US. here in germany average is below 6Mbit, in the US average is between 1.5-3.0Mbit)
I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.
Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.
At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
your raging about Apple but believe Nokia???
real liufe tests have shown that most nokia 3G hardware empty their batteries within 2 hours! compare that to an iphone on EDGE/GPRS... my iphone normally has 50% left after 2 hours of internet on my cell providers GPRS network...
and the big testing authorities also confirm that 3G phones are empty after around 2 hours of use on a 3G network....
Sounds good to me, so, what speeds are the other carriers currently able to reach right now. I know Sprint and Verizon have speedy networks but don't know what their d-load speeds are at.
I was already predicting that Apple's 3G phone won't happen til' early 2009 and I still stand by that.
Whenever that is, I still want one. I cant lived without my iphone.. its my im, my email, my web browser, my ipod, and my phone..
I don't care what the innards are like & if they are 20 year old designs. The use of the iPhone is what matters to me & it is vastly superior to all the many Nokia's & SE phones that I have had - 3G ones included
The functionality of the iPhone is perfect for me - faster downloads would be nice, bit doesn't affect my enjoyment & looking at internet sites is soo much better than with other phones that I am really pleased with it. This coupled with the integration with my apply computer makes it great.
In fact, I am just sitting next to a colleague who loves her iPhone that much that she has swapped her windows laptop for a 15" MBP (which she is using as I type & loves!)
3G iPhone will be nice, but hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the 2.5G version
real liufe tests have shown that most nokia 3G hardware empty their batteries within 2 hours! compare that to an iphone on EDGE/GPRS... my iphone normally has 50% left after 2 hours of internet on my cell providers GPRS network...
and the big testing authorities also confirm that 3G phones are empty after around 2 hours of use on a 3G network....
whatever your argument is, 3G takes up more battery than EDGE when used.
People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
some 3g has a download speed ranging from 1mbps to 2.5 mbps. Kinda expensive though..
not really true, the latest HSDPA standard is 7.2/14.4Mbit (7.2Mbit readily available)
my DSL @ home is 16Mbit down, but i think i'm one of the lucky few with broadband that fast @ home (i know, there's faster lines, but hose are even more rare, especially in the US. here in germany average is below 6Mbit, in the US average is between 1.5-3.0Mbit)
are talking bit or byte? there is a difference.. Bit is smaller than byte..
Even if they could come out with 4G next month, developers would respond with applications to make all that bandwidth too slow by end of summer.
U.S. wireless providers make their money by giving customers only subsistence level service -- just enough to get by and stay a nose ahead of the competition. It's a sick situation in which customers' broadband needs will never be met.
We don't need a new iPhone; we need a new wireless industry.
what do you mean wireless industry? dont we have one already??
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We don't need a new iPhone; we need a new wireless industry.
I guess it is possible that if Google won the wireless spectrum auction,
they might shake things up, but it would likely be several years before
consumers got any benefit.
By the way, EDGE uses more power than 3G. Don't forget to believe the Apple lie about this too.
Until you supply support for your 'lie', I'll stick by Jobs when he stated,
"When we looked at 3G, the chipsets are not quite mature, in the sense that they're not low-enough power for what we were looking for. They were not integrated enough, so they took up too much physical space. We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision."
and as supported in, amongst others, this article by AnaddTech. http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3036
Until you supply support for your 'lie', I'll stick by Jobs when he stated,
"When we looked at 3G, the chipsets are not quite mature, in the sense that they're not low-enough power for what we were looking for. They were not integrated enough, so they took up too much physical space. We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision."
and as supported in, amongst others, this article by AnaddTech. http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3036
I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.
Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.
At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
I guess it is possible that if Google won the wireless spectrum auction,
they might shake things up, but it would likely be several years before
consumers got any benefit.
Google dosent need to win it. They just have to stick to their $4.6B minimum bid so that standard remains open.
Actually, you are correct. If you remove the UI and just look at the technology, the iPhone is 3 to 4 years old. Smart marketing and not so bright customers make for rich Apple/AT&T. Go take a look at Nokia's N82 or even the N81. These are "real" smartphone, offering real functionality.
I don't care what the innards are like & if they are 20 year old designs. The use of the iPhone is what matters to me & it is vastly superior to all the many Nokia's & SE phones that I have had - 3G ones included
The functionality of the iPhone is perfect for me - faster downloads would be nice, bit doesn't affect my enjoyment & looking at internet sites is soo much better than with other phones that I am really pleased with it. This coupled with the integration with my apply computer makes it great.
In fact, I am just sitting next to a colleague who loves her iPhone that much that she has swapped her windows laptop for a 15" MBP (which she is using as I type & loves!)
3G iPhone will be nice, but hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the 2.5G version
People shout they want 3G but are they willing to pay $60 a month EXTRA like Sprint now?
Are they willing to accept a 2 hour battery life?
http://2aday.wordpress.com/2007/12/0...hone-going-3g/
That's more than a bit much to say. I ran the numbers on a major city and by land area, the open WiFi APs cover about 0.01% of the city.
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
Nokia aren't the only makers of 3G hardware.
But I haven't seen a claim like yours, even on this site.
Quick lesson.
Your statement: "the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect." The iPhone will connect to all GSM networks. Not the 3G networks, but will fall back to EDGE (if they make it EDGE capable still), and GSM networks. This is standard for any phone.
You say: "UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA".
Answer: That's only two bands but for the sake of argument, I will assume you include GSM as well. Here you are talking about 900/1800mhz, as well as the US frequencies, i.e. 850mhz.
You say: "but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected..."
Answer: Sorry but this is not theoretical. Europe has been a one SIM card user almost from the beginning. I have one SIM and I use my one phone (Nokia) all over the world, and I use my unlocked iPhone all over the world as well via ONE SIM card. SOOOOOOOOOO........ you are a bit incorrect in much of what you said but at least you are thinking.
1st: regarding GSM, i was talking about data services only, not voice... (and when connected to 3G your phones does everything via that cnnection, also voice. once your back on a GSM channel you will do your voice via GSM again)
2nd: roaming, if you use your home SIM-card everywhere in the world you must be pretty rich, or your company pays the horrendous bill... for people like me that are self employed and always try to save a buck or two it makes sense to have SIM card for each country you regularly travel to. i don't take my SIM-card out if i travel to that country only once... doesn't make sense economically...
I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.
Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.
At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
He asked for supporting evidence, not 'a friend of a friend told me once' BS.
Your ode to "Nokia and SE" reveal your troll status. Go back under your bridge or supply evidence, not hearsay.
Congratulations! You just won the award for snottiest post ever! To claim your reward, simply blow your nose in some tissue, then hang the tissue on the wall!
P.S. I am fully aware of the potential hypocrisy of my post... I just had to say something...
thank you for speaking out on my behalf;-)
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
not really true, the latest HSDPA standard is 7.2/14.4Mbit (7.2Mbit readily available)
my DSL @ home is 16Mbit down, but i think i'm one of the lucky few with broadband that fast @ home (i know, there's faster lines, but hose are even more rare, especially in the US. here in germany average is below 6Mbit, in the US average is between 1.5-3.0Mbit)
I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.
Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.
At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
your raging about Apple but believe Nokia???
real liufe tests have shown that most nokia 3G hardware empty their batteries within 2 hours! compare that to an iphone on EDGE/GPRS... my iphone normally has 50% left after 2 hours of internet on my cell providers GPRS network...
and the big testing authorities also confirm that 3G phones are empty after around 2 hours of use on a 3G network....
Sounds good to me, so, what speeds are the other carriers currently able to reach right now. I know Sprint and Verizon have speedy networks but don't know what their d-load speeds are at.
I was already predicting that Apple's 3G phone won't happen til' early 2009 and I still stand by that.
Whenever that is, I still want one. I cant lived without my iphone.. its my im, my email, my web browser, my ipod, and my phone..
I don't care what the innards are like & if they are 20 year old designs. The use of the iPhone is what matters to me & it is vastly superior to all the many Nokia's & SE phones that I have had - 3G ones included
The functionality of the iPhone is perfect for me - faster downloads would be nice, bit doesn't affect my enjoyment & looking at internet sites is soo much better than with other phones that I am really pleased with it. This coupled with the integration with my apply computer makes it great.
In fact, I am just sitting next to a colleague who loves her iPhone that much that she has swapped her windows laptop for a 15" MBP (which she is using as I type & loves!)
3G iPhone will be nice, but hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the 2.5G version
i couldn't agree more;-)
your raging about Apple but believe Nokia???
real liufe tests have shown that most nokia 3G hardware empty their batteries within 2 hours! compare that to an iphone on EDGE/GPRS... my iphone normally has 50% left after 2 hours of internet on my cell providers GPRS network...
and the big testing authorities also confirm that 3G phones are empty after around 2 hours of use on a 3G network....
whatever your argument is, 3G takes up more battery than EDGE when used.
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
some 3g has a download speed ranging from 1mbps to 2.5 mbps. Kinda expensive though..
not really true, the latest HSDPA standard is 7.2/14.4Mbit (7.2Mbit readily available)
my DSL @ home is 16Mbit down, but i think i'm one of the lucky few with broadband that fast @ home (i know, there's faster lines, but hose are even more rare, especially in the US. here in germany average is below 6Mbit, in the US average is between 1.5-3.0Mbit)
are talking bit or byte? there is a difference.. Bit is smaller than byte..
Even if they could come out with 4G next month, developers would respond with applications to make all that bandwidth too slow by end of summer.
U.S. wireless providers make their money by giving customers only subsistence level service -- just enough to get by and stay a nose ahead of the competition. It's a sick situation in which customers' broadband needs will never be met.
We don't need a new iPhone; we need a new wireless industry.
what do you mean wireless industry? dont we have one already??
Things are lining up nicely that favor a 3G iPhone launch by June. Will Apple release a 32GB 3G iPhone at that time? I think so.
hahahahah maybe i'll wait for that one.. or should i wait for the 64GB iphone for $1000?? hahahah
People shout they want a flying car - you can buy one for $350k, you still want one?
People shout they want 3G but are they willing to pay $60 a month EXTRA like Sprint now?
Are they willing to accept a 2 hour battery life?
http://2aday.wordpress.com/2007/12/0...hone-going-3g/
you are rite.. lets hope ATT will keep the same rate as EDGE