Now let me ask you all one question, can anyone provide proof that Intel's new mobile chip has shipped in volume? (While some manufacturers claim the laptops with the new chips are in stock, I have yet to see any ship and there are only one or two reviews on Penryn based laptops thus far).
If you purchase your laptop from the manufacturer (Sony, HP, Dell), you could get it almost immediately (after the build date and shipping of course). Retailers do not have the Penryn models because they are still in progress of clearing the Merom based models from their stock. Also, to the retailers there have been no new models released, just CPU updates to existing models.
Here are some reviews from people who have bought Penryn based laptops and have been enjoying them for some time now:
Apple is always first on the list to receive their Intel CPU stock ahead of the PC manufacturers. They had stock of Xeon 5400s ahead of others but were late to the game with their Mac Pro updates, almost 2 months after the competition.
I truly doubt that the problem has anything to do with the Penryn supply. The above info is based on personal investigations at manufacturers build+ship websites and info from the OEMs themselves. I believe currently the problem is internal to Apple themselves and not Intel.
Apple is always first on the list to receive their Intel CPU stock ahead of the PC manufacturers. They had stock of Xeon 5400s ahead of others but were late to the game with their Mac Pro updates, almost 2 months after the competition.
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HAHAHA, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Who got the Core 2 Duo's first? NOT APPLE. Who got the Core Duo's first? NOT APPLE. LOL they got the stuff LAST
Perhaps there is some sort of agreement among manufactures (Dell, Apple, HP, etc.) to release Penryn-based laptops on the same day?
Not a snowballs chance in HELL!
This is the computer industry, and as with all other industries, whoever gets there first wins.
Now, I know that "wins" isn't exactly a great term for it, but whoever gets there first gets first crack at selling the newest technology and making as much money as possible before everyone else gets it.
this guy is just another one of those fakes out there who try to hype people up. Guys I can tell you now, its not coming till April. Not March, but probably in April. It won't even show up in that February event.
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I think you're right. I remember going through something like this last year when shopping for my Santa Rosa MBP. Hype started early in the year much like we're doing now and I took delivery in June on the first day of availability. But that was new architecture/LED display and more. I'm shopping for a Mac for my wife this time and wishing it would come sooner but I think April or May is more likely.
A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.
So what if the delay is because of intel. It's going on for weeks now , when are they going to solve it? I think apple should at least say something about to the publice to ease the minds of the mob
So what if the delay is because of intel. It's going on for weeks now , when are they going to solve it? I think apple should at least say something about to the publice to ease the minds of the mob
Yeah: "Sorry guys, we can't release the unannounced MBP yet, because Intel can't deliver those penryn chips..."
I think you're right. I remember going through something like this last year when shopping for my Santa Rosa MBP. Hype started early in the year much like we're doing now and I took delivery in June on the first day of availability. But that was new architecture/LED display and more. I'm shopping for a Mac for my wife this time and wishing it would come sooner but I think April or May is more likely.
A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.
and could you tell me the reason why we saw the MBP 4.1 battery log? I think they will release it this tues..
A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.
Why would they need to develop firmware for the multi-touch technology that is already available on the MBA ?
Also with respect to the "new" processor.... I would imagine Apple is at the stage where they have done all the testing they need to on the processor, they are probably waiting to start installing them.
It appears as though this Engadget story posted back on the day of the Macworld keynote is likely the reason why have not seen a MacBook Pro update yet.
I just received a 30 inch Cinema display for Valentine's Day. I hope the new MBP's come out soon so I can actually use it. Apparently the max res is only 1280x800 when using it with my regular Macbook.
It appears as though this Engadget story posted back on the day of the Macworld keynote is likely the reason why have not seen a MacBook Pro update yet.
This is absolutely right.
Part of the problem is the lack of reliable info from Intel about the cause of the delay. The first Penryn machines were meant to debut the week of MacWorld and while some new models are starting to appear, there was stillsome kind of manufacturing bottleneck unresolved as of Monday this week.
Some manufacturers are getting around this by offering Penryn-based machines as custom builds, hoping that the 2-3 week build time will buy enough time to ensure that they capture new sales from other vendors. In other words, they're making promises they might not be able to keep.
I think the situation will become clearer next week when we find out what shipped over the last 7 days. Once Penryn processors do become widely available expect a marketing blitz, because the Industry needs people to start buying PCs again. Potential Q1 sales data is looking grim.
In the meantime, Apple will not launch revised MBP until there is certainty of Penryn supply. If Intel gets its act together, then Apple's February event should be MacWorld Part 2.
Apple knows it needs a revised MBP now, so won't delay any longer than it has to. Whatever happens, Apple will not wait until May (when Montevina arrives) to launch a new MBP - because Intel may be late again.
In the meantime, Apple will not launch revised MBP until there is certainty of Penryn supply.
That seems likely, they won't want to have customers ordering and then waiting for delivery and in the mean time, they can make more money off their older hardware by not reducing prices.
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe
If Intel gets its act together, then Apple's February event should be MacWorld Part 2.
I have a feeling that will be an iphone event for the SDK.
Why would they need to develop firmware for the multi-touch technology that is already available on the MBA ?
Also with respect to the "new" processor.... I would imagine Apple is at the stage where they have done all the testing they need to on the processor, they are probably waiting to start installing them.
Because the MBA is a unique machine, different from MBP in many ways. It has technology and construction constraints that would not be present in an MBP.
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Now let me ask you all one question, can anyone provide proof that Intel's new mobile chip has shipped in volume? (While some manufacturers claim the laptops with the new chips are in stock, I have yet to see any ship and there are only one or two reviews on Penryn based laptops thus far).
If you purchase your laptop from the manufacturer (Sony, HP, Dell), you could get it almost immediately (after the build date and shipping of course). Retailers do not have the Penryn models because they are still in progress of clearing the Merom based models from their stock. Also, to the retailers there have been no new models released, just CPU updates to existing models.
Here are some reviews from people who have bought Penryn based laptops and have been enjoying them for some time now:
Toshiba Qosmio G45 Penryn Review
Sager NP5793 Review
Zepto Znote 6224W
Apple is always first on the list to receive their Intel CPU stock ahead of the PC manufacturers. They had stock of Xeon 5400s ahead of others but were late to the game with their Mac Pro updates, almost 2 months after the competition.
I truly doubt that the problem has anything to do with the Penryn supply. The above info is based on personal investigations at manufacturers build+ship websites and info from the OEMs themselves. I believe currently the problem is internal to Apple themselves and not Intel.
-Ad
Apple is always first on the list to receive their Intel CPU stock ahead of the PC manufacturers. They had stock of Xeon 5400s ahead of others but were late to the game with their Mac Pro updates, almost 2 months after the competition.
-Ad
HAHAHA, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Who got the Core 2 Duo's first? NOT APPLE. Who got the Core Duo's first? NOT APPLE. LOL they got the stuff LAST
HAHAHA, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Who got the Core 2 Duo's first? NOT APPLE. Who got the Core Duo's first? NOT APPLE. LOL they got the stuff LAST
I think you are confused between getting supplies first and releasing a product with it.
Apple has always been late to the game, but its not because of getting their supply late.
-Ad
i'm going back asutralia on 20th. i want to get a mbp before i leave (coz the prize on HK mac store almost 30% cheaper than australia store
Prepare to eat your words. I shall expect a grovelling aopology.
This is shaping up to be fun.
Perhaps there is some sort of agreement among manufactures (Dell, Apple, HP, etc.) to release Penryn-based laptops on the same day?
Not a snowballs chance in HELL!
This is the computer industry, and as with all other industries, whoever gets there first wins.
Now, I know that "wins" isn't exactly a great term for it, but whoever gets there first gets first crack at selling the newest technology and making as much money as possible before everyone else gets it.
And that is how it's done.
this guy is just another one of those fakes out there who try to hype people up. Guys I can tell you now, its not coming till April. Not March, but probably in April. It won't even show up in that February event.
<snip>
I think you're right. I remember going through something like this last year when shopping for my Santa Rosa MBP. Hype started early in the year much like we're doing now and I took delivery in June on the first day of availability. But that was new architecture/LED display and more. I'm shopping for a Mac for my wife this time and wishing it would come sooner but I think April or May is more likely.
A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.
So what if the delay is because of intel. It's going on for weeks now , when are they going to solve it? I think apple should at least say something about to the publice to ease the minds of the mob
Yeah: "Sorry guys, we can't release the unannounced MBP yet, because Intel can't deliver those penryn chips..."
I think you're right. I remember going through something like this last year when shopping for my Santa Rosa MBP. Hype started early in the year much like we're doing now and I took delivery in June on the first day of availability. But that was new architecture/LED display and more. I'm shopping for a Mac for my wife this time and wishing it would come sooner but I think April or May is more likely.
A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.
and could you tell me the reason why we saw the MBP 4.1 battery log? I think they will release it this tues..
<snip>
A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.
Why would they need to develop firmware for the multi-touch technology that is already available on the MBA ?
Also with respect to the "new" processor.... I would imagine Apple is at the stage where they have done all the testing they need to on the processor, they are probably waiting to start installing them.
It appears as though this Engadget story posted back on the day of the Macworld keynote is likely the reason why have not seen a MacBook Pro update yet.
This is absolutely right.
Part of the problem is the lack of reliable info from Intel about the cause of the delay. The first Penryn machines were meant to debut the week of MacWorld and while some new models are starting to appear, there was stillsome kind of manufacturing bottleneck unresolved as of Monday this week.
Some manufacturers are getting around this by offering Penryn-based machines as custom builds, hoping that the 2-3 week build time will buy enough time to ensure that they capture new sales from other vendors. In other words, they're making promises they might not be able to keep.
I think the situation will become clearer next week when we find out what shipped over the last 7 days. Once Penryn processors do become widely available expect a marketing blitz, because the Industry needs people to start buying PCs again. Potential Q1 sales data is looking grim.
In the meantime, Apple will not launch revised MBP until there is certainty of Penryn supply. If Intel gets its act together, then Apple's February event should be MacWorld Part 2.
Apple knows it needs a revised MBP now, so won't delay any longer than it has to. Whatever happens, Apple will not wait until May (when Montevina arrives) to launch a new MBP - because Intel may be late again.
Flame-Suit On!
-Switchy McSwitcher
In the meantime, Apple will not launch revised MBP until there is certainty of Penryn supply.
That seems likely, they won't want to have customers ordering and then waiting for delivery and in the mean time, they can make more money off their older hardware by not reducing prices.
If Intel gets its act together, then Apple's February event should be MacWorld Part 2.
I have a feeling that will be an iphone event for the SDK.
whats so great about penryn that it gets everyone buying PCs again?
Faster at equivalent chip speeds, cooler, more power efficient.
Why would they need to develop firmware for the multi-touch technology that is already available on the MBA ?
Also with respect to the "new" processor.... I would imagine Apple is at the stage where they have done all the testing they need to on the processor, they are probably waiting to start installing them.
Because the MBA is a unique machine, different from MBP in many ways. It has technology and construction constraints that would not be present in an MBP.