How many people here would immediately buy the iPhone at full price if it was made available on the carrier of your choice?
Count me as one.
How many people here bought an iPhone on a pre-paid service plan for $399.00 and immediately hacked an hour later and use it on a network of their own choosing?
Count me as one of the x million hacked iPhone users.
The above article is AI's way of trying to dissipate any negative opinion of Apple, but it is a load of horseshit. 400000 people in China have NOT bought unlocked iPhones.
Let's see, China Mobile is the world's largest mobile phone operator ranked by number of subscribers, with over 349.66 million customers.
So 400,000 iPhones would represent just over 1 tenth of 1 percent, i.e., 0.01142%. Seems reasonable.
Just got back from Shanghai. Lots of iPhones used. Lots of iPhones for sale.
Personally I am glad that the Finnish operators turned Apple down, and would not consider the iPhone unless it has 3G.
Yep, 3G is big over there. It just passed 10% of the market;
European 3g Penetration Passes 10%
"The penetration of 3G services in Europe's connection base reached 10% in the latter part of October 2007, having stood at 9.75% at the end of the third quarter. W-CDMA net additions reached a record 9.1 million in the third quarter, up more than 1 million on the previous high of 8 million recorded three months ago, to leave the total customer base at 68.3 million." http://www.cellular-news.com/story/28153.php
Could you send me the link where Finnish operators turned Apple down. My understanding is that it is illegal in Finland to sell phones locked into carrier contracts unless it is 3G.
I would suspect that Nokia and the Finnish government as well as its people would be highly reluctant to let the iPhone loose. Much like Sweden's position on Ford and GM with SAAB and Volvo around.
Let's see, China Mobile is the world's largest mobile phone operator ranked by number of subscribers, with over 349.66 million customers.
So 400,000 iPhones would represent just over 1 tenth of 1 percent, i.e., 0.01142%. Seems reasonable.
Just got back from Shanghai. Lots of iPhones used. Lots of iPhones for sale.
Interesting. Last year when I was in Hong Kong, I saw only 1 iPhone, and that was used by an American businessperson. I'm not surprised how quickly it has spread though, I also saw lots of HTC phones (popular no doubt due to pent up iPhone demand).
Senior AT&T Wireless executives have stated in major American newspapers that they will unlock the iphones after your contract is done. This is not some lowly paid 25 year old kid who worked for the AT&T PR department (who doesn't know anything) getting interviewed by some gadget geek website.
O2 UK has consistently said that your iphone has to remain with O2 after the contract in order for it to work. Germany's T-Mobile only promised to give out unlocking codes after the contract is finished --- when they were facing the judge in the Vodafone injunction hearing --- and their German price plan is really really expensive. The French people gets a really high price for the unlocked iphone and their monthly plan is really really expensive as well.
I don't see how Americans are getting screwed at all. AT&T voluntarily promised the unlocking code --- without facing some lawsuit in court. Americans enjoyed a much lowered hardware price for the iphone (compared to the Europeans) and enjoyed much better monthly price plans than the Europeans.
So are they shy to officially state this in the contract or on their website?
T-Mobile is the only other option for an unlocked iPhone. Their isn't very much choice. Which was my whole point about them using different technology.
Are you talking about the US market? TMobile offers much better rates and customer service. They are a MUCH better choice. Of course, you would have to give up visual voicemail but I'd rather do that than get gouged by AT&T.
Yep, 3G is big over there. It just passed 10% of the market;
European 3g Penetration Passes 10%
"The penetration of 3G services in Europe's connection base reached 10% in the latter part of October 2007, having stood at 9.75% at the end of the third quarter. W-CDMA net additions reached a record 9.1 million in the third quarter, up more than 1 million on the previous high of 8 million recorded three months ago, to leave the total customer base at 68.3 million." http://www.cellular-news.com/story/28153.php
Are you talking handsets that are 3G capable or actual usage? Considering the fact that many to most of the handsets in Finland are 3G capable, subscribers simply check their email, surf the web, etc... all via 3G. It is transparent in their lives. I use 3G daily but I do not do it as a conscience effort. My phone is book into the 3G network and is always connected.
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Could you send me the link where Finnish operators turned Apple down. My understanding is that it is illegal in Finland to sell phones locked into carrier contracts unless it is 3G.
Just as soon as you post a link with the exact terms of the Apple/AT&T deal. I got your attempt at some sort of levity but you know and I know these discussions will not see the light of day or have a public face. Apple wanted to launch here as well, but the lack of 3G was a deal breaker.
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I would suspect that Nokia and the Finnish government as well as its people would be highly reluctant to let the iPhone loose. Much like Sweden's position on Ford and GM with SAAB and Volvo around.
Why would Nokia fear the iPhone? Sure it is competition and I for one and glad to see the iPhone shake up the industry but, at the end of the day, Nokia sells more phones in a week than Apple sells in a month. Nokia is not sitting there hoping the iPhone will go away. They will respond.
By the way, your understanding that it is illegal to sell phones locked to a contract was actually posted by me in this forum a few weeks ago.
Are you talking handsets that are 3G capable or actual usage? Considering the fact that many to most of the handsets in Finland are 3G capable, subscribers simply check their email, surf the web, etc... all via 3G. It is transparent in their lives. I use 3G daily but I do not do it as a conscience effort. My phone is book into the 3G network and is always connected.
No. It is the number of subscribers contracted to the 3G network.
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Just as soon as you post a link with the exact terms of the Apple/AT&T deal. I got your attempt at some sort of levity but you know and I know these discussions will not see the light of day or have a public face. Apple wanted to launch here as well, but the lack of 3G was a deal breaker.
As I stated, the law in Finland is that you cannot sell a (locked) cell phone locked to a contract, unless it is a 3g phone which are exempt from this ruling.
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby
Why would Nokia fear the iPhone? Sure it is competition and I for one and glad to see the iPhone shake up the industry but, at the end of the day, Nokia sells more phones in a week than Apple sells in a month. Nokia is not sitting there hoping the iPhone will go away. They will respond.
What I was saying was that it was obvious that they won't have to worry about the iPhone in Finland, much for the same reason that Honda, Toyota, etc., are not worried about Chrysler selling cars in Japan.
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By the way, your understanding that it is illegal to sell phones locked to a contract was actually posted by me in this forum a few weeks ago.
As far as I can find out, this is exactly what you said, "Another factor, here in FInland anyway, is the fact that ALL subscription based contracts my be accompanied by a phone with 3G."
Would be very interested what it costs for a cell phone and monthly services in Finland.
Interesting. Last year when I was in Hong Kong, I saw only 1 iPhone, and that was used by an American businessperson. I'm not surprised how quickly it has spread though, I also saw lots of HTC phones (popular no doubt due to pent up iPhone demand).
I live in HK and I see multiple iPhones every single day now, used mostly by 20-something and 30-something office workers. You also see iPhones for sale in every non-carrier mobile phone shop. There are easily tens of thousands in use and another ten thousand for sale.
How many people here would immediately buy the iPhone at full price if it was made available on the carrier of your choice?
Count me as one.
I love the iPhone (especially after many of its shortcomings are fixed with the SDK) and I love my carrier. But the only way I would uy an iPhone with my carrier is if it comes unlocked. I'm not the most frequent traveler, but I do travel, and when I do, I know I'm going to want to use it, without being gouged by roaming charges.
So what? If you look at the French mobile market, there are only 3 national carriers --- with the top 2 French carriers owning 85% of the market.
I'm not sure what carriers in France have to do with the US. France has 3 major carriers and the iPhone will work on all three. The US has 4 major carriers and the iPhone will only work 2. We only have choice of the dominant carrier or the smallest carrier.
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This article, like the other "where are all the iphones" articles which seem to appear every other day on AI is another load of horseshit.
How can you really know this for sure.
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The fact is that Apple released figures that were based on number of iPhones shipped, and not number of iPhones sold.
That is not a fact. That was a speculation made by one analyst who was trying to explain the discrepancy between the number of phones Apple reported sold and the number of phones reported by partner carriers. The truth is those phones are in the grey market.
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"The penetration of 3G services in Europe's connection base reached 10% in the latter part of October 2007, having stood at 9.75% at the end of the third quarter."
Yes clearly everybody in Europe demands and expects 3G.
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Verizon Wireless is the most profitable wireless carrier in the US. So all the other carriers are wrong with their technology choices.
This past quarter Verizon earned 23.8 billion in revenue, AT&T earned 30.1 billion in revenue.
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Secondly, Apple has created the world's most crippled cell phone for the supposedly "open" GSM world.
Nonsense.
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Are you talking about the US market? TMobile offers much better rates and customer service. They are a MUCH better choice. Of course, you would have to give up visual voicemail but I'd rather do that than get gouged by AT&T.
That's a matter of opinion. AT&T and Verizon are the two most expensive carriers. Of the 250 million mobile phone users they both hold a combined 132 million. T-Mobile is in fourth place with 28 million.
No. It is the number of subscribers contracted to the 3G network.
As I stated, you get a phone, pick a service and you get 3G automatically. It's not like you can say: "please, no 3G with my contract." It's already there. You can manually select to use only GSM on your phone if you want but you have to select this option.
I was talking about the actual contract between Apple and AT&T, but thanks for the link.
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As I stated, the law in Finland is that you cannot sell a (locked) cell phone locked to a contract, unless it is a 3g phone which are exempt from this ruling.
Uhhhhh...... Finland does not lock handsets to specific networks. They are a bit more mature here.
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As far as I can find out, this is exactly what you said, "Another factor, here in FInland anyway, is the fact that ALL subscription based contracts my be accompanied by a phone with 3G."
This is true. If your get a two year subscription, your phone has to have 3G. Plan and simple.
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Would be very interested what it costs for a cell phone and monthly services in Finland.
www.dnafinland.fi is a great place to start. My unlimited data plan is approximately, $14.50 at today's exchange rate (www.oanda.com). My entire service (subscription) is $10. Combined, I pay: $24.50 for unlimited data, and I can mix and match as I please. Add a service, drop a service. Very flexible.
Uhhhhh...... Finland does not lock handsets to specific networks. They are a bit more mature here.
Actually, no --- they are not mature at all.
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"Subsidies on mobile handsets has in Finland been prohibited since 1997. Instead of handset subsidies Finnish mobile operators attract subscribers by offering packages of ?free talk time? or other bundled goods (e.g. digital cameras, backpacks, and DVD players)."
I'm not sure what carriers in France have to do with the US. France has 3 major carriers and the iPhone will work on all three. The US has 4 major carriers and the iPhone will only work 2. We only have choice of the dominant carrier or the smallest carrier.
Look at the monthly phone plans in France --- they are very expensive.
99% of the population would rather have 4 US national carriers with the largest carrier being weaker than the number 2 carrier (VZW). This is how AT&T had to eat up the Apple iphone tax all by themselves (US iphone plan is the same as regular price voice plan plus regular price data plan --- consumer paid zero iphone tax).
When the top 2 French carriers have 85% of the market --- that's how things get really duopolistic and the consumers suffers.
99% of the population would rather have 4 US national carriers with the largest carrier being weaker than the number 2 carrier (VZW). This is how AT&T had to eat up the Apple iphone tax all by themselves (US iphone plan is the same as regular price voice plan plus regular price data plan --- consumer paid zero iphone tax). When the top 2 French carriers have 85% of the market --- that's how things get really duopolistic and the consumers suffers.
I can not be sure but I think these new tariffs with the iPhone only came about as a result of the iPhones release.
There will always be price plan specials.
But if you look the regular price monthly plans --- i.e. the "professional" plans in France and Germany --- they are more expensive than American regular price monthly plans.
This is the only way to compare prices in the 2 continents --- regular price monthly plans vs. regular price monthly plans.
I can understand why Apple restrained the iPhone to AT&T in the US. But why do the same thing world wide?! They should have provided unlocked iPhones world wide for higher price. Unless they come up with something really good by Jun 08 they might be facing problems selling 10 mil by Macworld 09.
Maybe because they are not free to do so. Neither of us has seen the contract between Apple and ATT, but I am guessing that there is a clause in there that prohibits Apple from selling unlocked iPhones anywhere in the world.
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How many people here would immediately buy the iPhone at full price if it was made available on the carrier of your choice?
Count me as one.
How many people here bought an iPhone on a pre-paid service plan for $399.00 and immediately hacked an hour later and use it on a network of their own choosing?
Count me as one of the x million hacked iPhone users.
The above article is AI's way of trying to dissipate any negative opinion of Apple, but it is a load of horseshit. 400000 people in China have NOT bought unlocked iPhones.
Let's see, China Mobile is the world's largest mobile phone operator ranked by number of subscribers, with over 349.66 million customers.
So 400,000 iPhones would represent just over 1 tenth of 1 percent, i.e., 0.01142%. Seems reasonable.
Just got back from Shanghai. Lots of iPhones used. Lots of iPhones for sale.
Personally I am glad that the Finnish operators turned Apple down, and would not consider the iPhone unless it has 3G.
Yep, 3G is big over there. It just passed 10% of the market;
European 3g Penetration Passes 10%
"The penetration of 3G services in Europe's connection base reached 10% in the latter part of October 2007, having stood at 9.75% at the end of the third quarter. W-CDMA net additions reached a record 9.1 million in the third quarter, up more than 1 million on the previous high of 8 million recorded three months ago, to leave the total customer base at 68.3 million." http://www.cellular-news.com/story/28153.php
Could you send me the link where Finnish operators turned Apple down. My understanding is that it is illegal in Finland to sell phones locked into carrier contracts unless it is 3G.
I would suspect that Nokia and the Finnish government as well as its people would be highly reluctant to let the iPhone loose. Much like Sweden's position on Ford and GM with SAAB and Volvo around.
Let's see, China Mobile is the world's largest mobile phone operator ranked by number of subscribers, with over 349.66 million customers.
So 400,000 iPhones would represent just over 1 tenth of 1 percent, i.e., 0.01142%. Seems reasonable.
Just got back from Shanghai. Lots of iPhones used. Lots of iPhones for sale.
Interesting. Last year when I was in Hong Kong, I saw only 1 iPhone, and that was used by an American businessperson. I'm not surprised how quickly it has spread though, I also saw lots of HTC phones (popular no doubt due to pent up iPhone demand).
Senior AT&T Wireless executives have stated in major American newspapers that they will unlock the iphones after your contract is done. This is not some lowly paid 25 year old kid who worked for the AT&T PR department (who doesn't know anything) getting interviewed by some gadget geek website.
http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/08/a...y_unlock_1.php
O2 UK has consistently said that your iphone has to remain with O2 after the contract in order for it to work. Germany's T-Mobile only promised to give out unlocking codes after the contract is finished --- when they were facing the judge in the Vodafone injunction hearing --- and their German price plan is really really expensive. The French people gets a really high price for the unlocked iphone and their monthly plan is really really expensive as well.
I don't see how Americans are getting screwed at all. AT&T voluntarily promised the unlocking code --- without facing some lawsuit in court. Americans enjoyed a much lowered hardware price for the iphone (compared to the Europeans) and enjoyed much better monthly price plans than the Europeans.
So are they shy to officially state this in the contract or on their website?
T-Mobile is the only other option for an unlocked iPhone. Their isn't very much choice. Which was my whole point about them using different technology.
Are you talking about the US market? TMobile offers much better rates and customer service. They are a MUCH better choice. Of course, you would have to give up visual voicemail but I'd rather do that than get gouged by AT&T.
How many people here would immediately buy the iPhone at full price if it was made available on the carrier of your choice?
Count me as one.
+1. I've been waiting for this since day one. I think I'm just going to buy and unlock one rather than wait for the AT&T exclusivity to expire.
+1. I've been waiting for this since day one. I think I'm just going to buy and unlock one rather than wait for the AT&T exclusivity to expire.
Smart move.
Yep, 3G is big over there. It just passed 10% of the market;
European 3g Penetration Passes 10%
"The penetration of 3G services in Europe's connection base reached 10% in the latter part of October 2007, having stood at 9.75% at the end of the third quarter. W-CDMA net additions reached a record 9.1 million in the third quarter, up more than 1 million on the previous high of 8 million recorded three months ago, to leave the total customer base at 68.3 million." http://www.cellular-news.com/story/28153.php
Are you talking handsets that are 3G capable or actual usage? Considering the fact that many to most of the handsets in Finland are 3G capable, subscribers simply check their email, surf the web, etc... all via 3G. It is transparent in their lives. I use 3G daily but I do not do it as a conscience effort. My phone is book into the 3G network and is always connected.
Could you send me the link where Finnish operators turned Apple down. My understanding is that it is illegal in Finland to sell phones locked into carrier contracts unless it is 3G.
Just as soon as you post a link with the exact terms of the Apple/AT&T deal. I got your attempt at some sort of levity but you know and I know these discussions will not see the light of day or have a public face. Apple wanted to launch here as well, but the lack of 3G was a deal breaker.
I would suspect that Nokia and the Finnish government as well as its people would be highly reluctant to let the iPhone loose. Much like Sweden's position on Ford and GM with SAAB and Volvo around.
Why would Nokia fear the iPhone? Sure it is competition and I for one and glad to see the iPhone shake up the industry but, at the end of the day, Nokia sells more phones in a week than Apple sells in a month. Nokia is not sitting there hoping the iPhone will go away. They will respond.
By the way, your understanding that it is illegal to sell phones locked to a contract was actually posted by me in this forum a few weeks ago.
Are you talking handsets that are 3G capable or actual usage? Considering the fact that many to most of the handsets in Finland are 3G capable, subscribers simply check their email, surf the web, etc... all via 3G. It is transparent in their lives. I use 3G daily but I do not do it as a conscience effort. My phone is book into the 3G network and is always connected.
No. It is the number of subscribers contracted to the 3G network.
Just as soon as you post a link with the exact terms of the Apple/AT&T deal. I got your attempt at some sort of levity but you know and I know these discussions will not see the light of day or have a public face. Apple wanted to launch here as well, but the lack of 3G was a deal breaker.
Fourth multi-sentence paragraph. http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireles...?currentPage=1
As I stated, the law in Finland is that you cannot sell a (locked) cell phone locked to a contract, unless it is a 3g phone which are exempt from this ruling.
Why would Nokia fear the iPhone? Sure it is competition and I for one and glad to see the iPhone shake up the industry but, at the end of the day, Nokia sells more phones in a week than Apple sells in a month. Nokia is not sitting there hoping the iPhone will go away. They will respond.
What I was saying was that it was obvious that they won't have to worry about the iPhone in Finland, much for the same reason that Honda, Toyota, etc., are not worried about Chrysler selling cars in Japan.
By the way, your understanding that it is illegal to sell phones locked to a contract was actually posted by me in this forum a few weeks ago.
As far as I can find out, this is exactly what you said, "Another factor, here in FInland anyway, is the fact that ALL subscription based contracts my be accompanied by a phone with 3G."
Would be very interested what it costs for a cell phone and monthly services in Finland.
Interesting. Last year when I was in Hong Kong, I saw only 1 iPhone, and that was used by an American businessperson. I'm not surprised how quickly it has spread though, I also saw lots of HTC phones (popular no doubt due to pent up iPhone demand).
I live in HK and I see multiple iPhones every single day now, used mostly by 20-something and 30-something office workers. You also see iPhones for sale in every non-carrier mobile phone shop. There are easily tens of thousands in use and another ten thousand for sale.
How many people here would immediately buy the iPhone at full price if it was made available on the carrier of your choice?
Count me as one.
I love the iPhone (especially after many of its shortcomings are fixed with the SDK) and I love my carrier. But the only way I would uy an iPhone with my carrier is if it comes unlocked. I'm not the most frequent traveler, but I do travel, and when I do, I know I'm going to want to use it, without being gouged by roaming charges.
So what? If you look at the French mobile market, there are only 3 national carriers --- with the top 2 French carriers owning 85% of the market.
I'm not sure what carriers in France have to do with the US. France has 3 major carriers and the iPhone will work on all three. The US has 4 major carriers and the iPhone will only work 2. We only have choice of the dominant carrier or the smallest carrier.
This article, like the other "where are all the iphones" articles which seem to appear every other day on AI is another load of horseshit.
How can you really know this for sure.
The fact is that Apple released figures that were based on number of iPhones shipped, and not number of iPhones sold.
That is not a fact. That was a speculation made by one analyst who was trying to explain the discrepancy between the number of phones Apple reported sold and the number of phones reported by partner carriers. The truth is those phones are in the grey market.
"The penetration of 3G services in Europe's connection base reached 10% in the latter part of October 2007, having stood at 9.75% at the end of the third quarter."
Yes clearly everybody in Europe demands and expects 3G.
Verizon Wireless is the most profitable wireless carrier in the US. So all the other carriers are wrong with their technology choices.
This past quarter Verizon earned 23.8 billion in revenue, AT&T earned 30.1 billion in revenue.
Secondly, Apple has created the world's most crippled cell phone for the supposedly "open" GSM world.
Nonsense.
Are you talking about the US market? TMobile offers much better rates and customer service. They are a MUCH better choice. Of course, you would have to give up visual voicemail but I'd rather do that than get gouged by AT&T.
That's a matter of opinion. AT&T and Verizon are the two most expensive carriers. Of the 250 million mobile phone users they both hold a combined 132 million. T-Mobile is in fourth place with 28 million.
No. It is the number of subscribers contracted to the 3G network.
As I stated, you get a phone, pick a service and you get 3G automatically. It's not like you can say: "please, no 3G with my contract." It's already there. You can manually select to use only GSM on your phone if you want but you have to select this option.
Fourth multi-sentence paragraph. http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireles...?currentPage=1
I was talking about the actual contract between Apple and AT&T, but thanks for the link.
As I stated, the law in Finland is that you cannot sell a (locked) cell phone locked to a contract, unless it is a 3g phone which are exempt from this ruling.
Uhhhhh...... Finland does not lock handsets to specific networks. They are a bit more mature here.
As far as I can find out, this is exactly what you said, "Another factor, here in FInland anyway, is the fact that ALL subscription based contracts my be accompanied by a phone with 3G."
This is true. If your get a two year subscription, your phone has to have 3G. Plan and simple.
Would be very interested what it costs for a cell phone and monthly services in Finland.
www.dnafinland.fi is a great place to start. My unlimited data plan is approximately, $14.50 at today's exchange rate (www.oanda.com). My entire service (subscription) is $10. Combined, I pay: $24.50 for unlimited data, and I can mix and match as I please. Add a service, drop a service. Very flexible.
Uhhhhh...... Finland does not lock handsets to specific networks. They are a bit more mature here.
Actually, no --- they are not mature at all.
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"Subsidies on mobile handsets has in Finland been prohibited since 1997. Instead of handset subsidies Finnish mobile operators attract subscribers by offering packages of ?free talk time? or other bundled goods (e.g. digital cameras, backpacks, and DVD players)."
http://www.netlab.tkk.fi/opetus/s380...berg_paper.pdf
I find it even more troubling for the consumers when carriers bundled something that is totally unrelated with cell phone service.
I'm not sure what carriers in France have to do with the US. France has 3 major carriers and the iPhone will work on all three. The US has 4 major carriers and the iPhone will only work 2. We only have choice of the dominant carrier or the smallest carrier.
Look at the monthly phone plans in France --- they are very expensive.
99% of the population would rather have 4 US national carriers with the largest carrier being weaker than the number 2 carrier (VZW). This is how AT&T had to eat up the Apple iphone tax all by themselves (US iphone plan is the same as regular price voice plan plus regular price data plan --- consumer paid zero iphone tax).
When the top 2 French carriers have 85% of the market --- that's how things get really duopolistic and the consumers suffers.
So are they shy to officially state this in the contract or on their website?
Why should they need to officially state this in the contract?
AT&T has always provided unlocking codes to their customers for FREE --- without any laws requiring them to.
What has all these so-called European sim-locking laws have done --- absolutely nothing.
99% of the population would rather have 4 US national carriers with the largest carrier being weaker than the number 2 carrier (VZW). This is how AT&T had to eat up the Apple iphone tax all by themselves (US iphone plan is the same as regular price voice plan plus regular price data plan --- consumer paid zero iphone tax). When the top 2 French carriers have 85% of the market --- that's how things get really duopolistic and the consumers suffers.
I'm not really understanding any of this.
You are a bit incorrect about the monthly plans.
I can not be sure but I think these new tariffs with the iPhone only came about as a result of the iPhones release.
There will always be price plan specials.
But if you look the regular price monthly plans --- i.e. the "professional" plans in France and Germany --- they are more expensive than American regular price monthly plans.
This is the only way to compare prices in the 2 continents --- regular price monthly plans vs. regular price monthly plans.
I can understand why Apple restrained the iPhone to AT&T in the US. But why do the same thing world wide?! They should have provided unlocked iPhones world wide for higher price. Unless they come up with something really good by Jun 08 they might be facing problems selling 10 mil by Macworld 09.
Maybe because they are not free to do so. Neither of us has seen the contract between Apple and ATT, but I am guessing that there is a clause in there that prohibits Apple from selling unlocked iPhones anywhere in the world.