The Cupertino-based company also said that there are now over 50 million iTunes Store customers who've combined to purchase over four billion songs, with an astounding 20 million songs sold on Christmas Day 2007 alone.
That is 80 songs per nose on average or 8 CDs - having said that I already have purchased 25x that amount so I would really like to know what the median user purchases.
Plus : when you buy some compilations like the christmas oratorium : it consists of 50-70 individual tracks so the 4Bln is impressive but should be put into some perspective
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
I thought DRM was placed on the music at the behest of the record companies licsensing the digital music to iTunes. They gave the DRM Free music to Amazon and a few others as a test case, and not to Apple because according to the Record Companies they needed a "Controlled"Case Study to compare.
Am I wrong? If not, don't fault Apple. Complain to the Record companies!
I think you'll find, that because Wal-Mart has store fronts, and does sell CD's, the music companies get it from both ends. Something Apple can't or at least chooses not to do.
My guess is, if you look at downloads, we're getting close, but if you say "Music Sold" (which will come into play at some time (allowing Wal-Mart to stay at number one)) - you'll see Apple way behind Wal-mart.
When folks want to stay #1, they WILL play with the numbers / the wording to do so.
Based on this, Apple will NEVER over-take Wal-mart
Boy, CD jewel cases must be selling well, or they will once folks want to have a hard copy of all of this music
(another difference between iTunes and Wal-mart and others - is the real CD in the hands) Which is helping Amazon, where the quality of music is better, folks will start burning CD's again.
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
Actually I forgot about Amazon. I have an account and for music I always default over to iTunes but from now on, I will just pop in and see if I can get what I want on Amazon.
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
It's cheaper now but just you wait. The record companies are doing this to create competition for Apple so latter they can raise the prices later on. The record executives said they wanted higher prices from Apple and Apple said no. Apple said they should have DRM free music and they said over my dead body, and then six months latter gave Amazon DRM free music for less money. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what going on hear. So keep on buying from Amazon but don't you dare bitch a couple of years from now when music prices are high again.
It's cheaper now but just you wait. The record companies are doing this to create competition for Apple so latter they can raise the prices later on. The record executives said they wanted higher prices from Apple and Apple said no. Apple said they should have DRM free music and they said over my dead body, and then six months latter gave Amazon DRM free music for less money. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what going on hear. So keep on buying from Amazon but don't you dare bitch a couple of years from now when music prices are high again.
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
I think the labels are trying to push people towards Amazon and any other competitor that's not Apple. In many ways, I don't blame them.
My guess is, if you look at downloads, we're getting close, but if you say "Music Sold" (which will come into play at some time (allowing Wal-Mart to stay at number one)) - you'll see Apple way behind Wal-mart.
No - that is the whole point of this thread. Apple "total music sold" is more than best buy "total music sold" and almost equal to Wal-Mart "total music sold".
There is no way that Wal-Mart is the #1 downloaded music seller, this NPD thing is comparing the Apple downloads to the Wal-Mart CD sales, and they are almost equal.
I think the labels are trying to push people towards Amazon and any other competitor that's not Apple. In many ways, I don't blame them.
I don't blame their desire to want iTunes to less control, but it could be construed as anti-competitive.
Amazon is selling twice the bitrate at a lower cost and with DRM. Either the labels are getting less money and/or Amazon is losing money in an attempt to gain marketshare from iTunes. Regardless, they can't keep this up forever.
I think the labels are trying to push people towards Amazon and any other competitor that's not Apple. In many ways, I don't blame them.
You know, after reading this discussion I'm switching back to iTMS. It obvious that the record companies had an "anyone but Apple" policy when they made the Amazon deal. I don't blame Amazon for taking the deal which is why I don't mind buying from them. However, I'm peeved at the labels and won't agree to their tactics buy buying from Amazon. Once iTunes gets the same DRM-free deal then I'll let Amazon and iTMS compete for my money on a level playing field.
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
I also love me some Amazon, but they don't always have the same offerings as iTunes. Both services are very competitive.
On January 10, 2007 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 2 billion songs, 50 million television episodes, and over 1.3 million feature-length films.[34]
On January 15, 2008 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 4 billion songs.
===> approximately $2 billion in revenue from iTunes songs for Apple in 2007.
Looks to me like NPD is right, that iTunes represents about 20% of the music retailing business based on revenue, particularly since there was a huge drop since 2006.
On January 10, 2007 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 2 billion songs, 50 million television episodes, and over 1.3 million feature-length films.[34]
On January 15, 2008 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 4 billion songs.
It's too bad that even with the increase in sales year-over-year they probably won't make 5 billion before the 5 year anniversary on n 28-APR-2003.
I would wager that this news is more important for Apple than either the firmware 1.1.4 release or the notebook updates though probably less covered. Yet I doubt the omniscient analyst will understand the gravity that this potentially gives Apple.
Way, way, way ahead. Wal-Mart and Target are the two largest sellers of music and DVDs in the world.
Perhaps I'm confused, but I thought the whole point of the thread was that iTunes is now number 2 retailer in the States in total music sales.. or are you speaking about worldwide sales?
You know, after reading this discussion I'm switching back to iTMS. It obvious that the record companies had an "anyone but Apple" policy when they made the Amazon deal. I don't blame Amazon for taking the deal which is why I don't mind buying from them. However, I'm peeved at the labels and won't agree to their tactics buy buying from Amazon. Once iTunes gets the same DRM-free deal then I'll let Amazon and iTMS compete for my money on a level playing field.
You might want to consider that Amazon actually HAS to make a profit whereas iTunes is a driver for iPods and thus Apple can afford to basically break even (though I'm sure they're doing more than just breaking even). Unfortunately, Amazon has no hardware to push on their music purchasers. Given that fact, iTunes position is just as screwed up as Amazon's.
FWIW, Sony BMG today reissued a few dozen catalog titles on CD. CD Universe is selling them for $5.58. The record companies manage to eke out a small profit on those, but they expect us to pay $9.99 for crummy 128Kbps digital files?
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The Cupertino-based company also said that there are now over 50 million iTunes Store customers who've combined to purchase over four billion songs, with an astounding 20 million songs sold on Christmas Day 2007 alone.
That is 80 songs per nose on average or 8 CDs - having said that I already have purchased 25x that amount so I would really like to know what the median user purchases.
Plus : when you buy some compilations like the christmas oratorium : it consists of 50-70 individual tracks so the 4Bln is impressive but should be put into some perspective
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
I thought DRM was placed on the music at the behest of the record companies licsensing the digital music to iTunes. They gave the DRM Free music to Amazon and a few others as a test case, and not to Apple because according to the Record Companies they needed a "Controlled"Case Study to compare.
Am I wrong? If not, don't fault Apple. Complain to the Record companies!
My guess is, if you look at downloads, we're getting close, but if you say "Music Sold" (which will come into play at some time (allowing Wal-Mart to stay at number one)) - you'll see Apple way behind Wal-mart.
When folks want to stay #1, they WILL play with the numbers / the wording to do so.
Based on this, Apple will NEVER over-take Wal-mart
Boy, CD jewel cases must be selling well, or they will once folks want to have a hard copy of all of this music
(another difference between iTunes and Wal-mart and others - is the real CD in the hands) Which is helping Amazon, where the quality of music is better, folks will start burning CD's again.
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I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
Actually I forgot about Amazon. I have an account and for music I always default over to iTunes but from now on, I will just pop in and see if I can get what I want on Amazon.
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
It's cheaper now but just you wait. The record companies are doing this to create competition for Apple so latter they can raise the prices later on. The record executives said they wanted higher prices from Apple and Apple said no. Apple said they should have DRM free music and they said over my dead body, and then six months latter gave Amazon DRM free music for less money. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what going on hear. So keep on buying from Amazon but don't you dare bitch a couple of years from now when music prices are high again.
It's cheaper now but just you wait. The record companies are doing this to create competition for Apple so latter they can raise the prices later on. The record executives said they wanted higher prices from Apple and Apple said no. Apple said they should have DRM free music and they said over my dead body, and then six months latter gave Amazon DRM free music for less money. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what going on hear. So keep on buying from Amazon but don't you dare bitch a couple of years from now when music prices are high again.
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I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
I think the labels are trying to push people towards Amazon and any other competitor that's not Apple. In many ways, I don't blame them.
My guess is, if you look at downloads, we're getting close, but if you say "Music Sold" (which will come into play at some time (allowing Wal-Mart to stay at number one)) - you'll see Apple way behind Wal-mart.
No - that is the whole point of this thread. Apple "total music sold" is more than best buy "total music sold" and almost equal to Wal-Mart "total music sold".
There is no way that Wal-Mart is the #1 downloaded music seller, this NPD thing is comparing the Apple downloads to the Wal-Mart CD sales, and they are almost equal.
I think the labels are trying to push people towards Amazon and any other competitor that's not Apple. In many ways, I don't blame them.
I don't blame their desire to want iTunes to less control, but it could be construed as anti-competitive.
Amazon is selling twice the bitrate at a lower cost and with DRM. Either the labels are getting less money and/or Amazon is losing money in an attempt to gain marketshare from iTunes. Regardless, they can't keep this up forever.
I think the labels are trying to push people towards Amazon and any other competitor that's not Apple. In many ways, I don't blame them.
You know, after reading this discussion I'm switching back to iTMS. It obvious that the record companies had an "anyone but Apple" policy when they made the Amazon deal. I don't blame Amazon for taking the deal which is why I don't mind buying from them. However, I'm peeved at the labels and won't agree to their tactics buy buying from Amazon. Once iTunes gets the same DRM-free deal then I'll let Amazon and iTMS compete for my money on a level playing field.
Got any actual figures? How far ahead is Wal-Mart?
Way, way, way ahead. Wal-Mart and Target are the two largest sellers of music and DVDs in the world.
I will be the first to admit that I am a total Apple freak. I drink the kool aid daily. However, the iTMS has been replaced by Amazon MP3 as my default music store. Not because it is "better", but it is a little cheaper and the songs are DRM-free. I'm hoping Apple sees that Amazon has a competative product and improves the iTMS to match. I'd love for Apple to take the #1 spot in the near future.
I also love me some Amazon, but they don't always have the same offerings as iTunes. Both services are very competitive.
Way, way, way ahead. Wal-Mart and Target are the two largest sellers of music and DVDs in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_...and_milestones
On January 10, 2007 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 2 billion songs, 50 million television episodes, and over 1.3 million feature-length films.[34]
On January 15, 2008 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 4 billion songs.
===> approximately $2 billion in revenue from iTunes songs for Apple in 2007.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/cult...music-2007.ars
Looks to me like NPD is right, that iTunes represents about 20% of the music retailing business based on revenue, particularly since there was a huge drop since 2006.
http://www.musicrow.com/section/AS026/1/ARN008561
-> 500,396,000 total album sales in 2007 = somewhere between $5 billion and $10 billion in revenue total.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_...and_milestones
On January 10, 2007 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 2 billion songs, 50 million television episodes, and over 1.3 million feature-length films.[34]
On January 15, 2008 Apple announced that the iTunes Store had sold more than 4 billion songs.
It's too bad that even with the increase in sales year-over-year they probably won't make 5 billion before the 5 year anniversary on n 28-APR-2003.
Way, way, way ahead. Wal-Mart and Target are the two largest sellers of music and DVDs in the world.
Perhaps I'm confused, but I thought the whole point of the thread was that iTunes is now number 2 retailer in the States in total music sales.. or are you speaking about worldwide sales?
You know, after reading this discussion I'm switching back to iTMS. It obvious that the record companies had an "anyone but Apple" policy when they made the Amazon deal. I don't blame Amazon for taking the deal which is why I don't mind buying from them. However, I'm peeved at the labels and won't agree to their tactics buy buying from Amazon. Once iTunes gets the same DRM-free deal then I'll let Amazon and iTMS compete for my money on a level playing field.
You might want to consider that Amazon actually HAS to make a profit whereas iTunes is a driver for iPods and thus Apple can afford to basically break even (though I'm sure they're doing more than just breaking even). Unfortunately, Amazon has no hardware to push on their music purchasers. Given that fact, iTunes position is just as screwed up as Amazon's.
Personally, I say screw both of them. Buy CD's.
Every time I search for a soundtrack on iTunes I cannot find it.