If the rates are so high, and the tariffs are so low, that would make Canada home of the greediest bastards running phone companies in the world.
As I said, Canadians (like me) enjoy some of the lowest prices in terms of mobile monthly plans in the world. We can enjoy to talk 400-500 minutes a month. We are more expensive than the US, but less expensive than most of the industrial world.
People complain about how Rogers have very expenisve data plans --- sure they have. But the other 2 carriers (CDMA) in Canada have cheaper data plans than Rogers GSM network.
I think it is the cost of data plans which is so expensive in Canada. Since iPhone
relies on transferring lots of data for many of its features, this makes the overall
cost in Canada unattractive to users.
Canada has 1 GSM carrier and 2 CDMA carriers.
Not only is the CDMA carriers (which controls more than 1/2 of the market share) --- offer lower data prices than the lone Canadian GSM carrier --- they also were the first ones to launch 3G networks (ev-do) in Canada.
Keep what up? Speaking my mind? Oh sorry about that, I thought this forum was about the free exchange of ideas & opinions.
Why Apple? The last I heard, they were asking between 7 and 35 mil for the Canadian trademark.
Your suggestion that Apple is the GREEDY one by stating that "Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers" in large red type is inflammatory and misleading.
Based on the previously attached article, it is Comwave and Rogers that are the greedy ones.
As the article states, ""The force they (Apple) put into marketing would quickly make the brand Apple's and not ours," he said. "It's a case of hijacking the brand. If I asked people on the street who owns the iPhone trademark in Canada, they'd all say Apple. And their product isn't even in the market. So co-existence is not possible."
Interesting, that Barzakay (Comwave) doesn't want to let go of the trademark because it would hijack their brand, and yet recognizes that it has already happened. But the (his) bottom line as he states is that, "they (Apple) can buy the brand from us."
So who is the greedy b*****d? Well I would highly suggest it is not Apple.
I live in Australia and will probably end up buying a 3G iPhone when and if they ever come out. But if I lived in Ireland and was even as half as safe with my money as The world thinks the Irish are then there is no way that I would purchase one of these in contract when I could get one off ebay unlocked for less money. 299 Pounds = around $600 US. on ebay I can pick up an unlocked ipod for $600 US for 16Gb handset (plus postage of course) It really is quite odd and I do feel bad for you.
The other scary issue is that when it comes to Australia this could mean that even though our Australian $ is almost at parity with the US $ we may see handset prices around $800. That would make me more keen to get one that has been unlocked. I think I would be too upset with that sort of feeling of extortion from Apple.
Any word on the reception the iPhones are getting?
Embarrassing cricket noises?
Wellll...
I was down on Grafton St in Dublin this afternoon so my grateful little paws could finally feel what an iPhone is really like ( impressed! ) and there were no queues but people were playing with the display phones. They weren't clawing at each other's eyes to get to them though.
There's no buzz about it as such. I have been astonished all the way since january '07 how little has been seen in either the Irish or UK general media about the iPhone, as if it's just not cool or something. It reminds me of a certain type of pc-evangelising that moans and whines about anything Apple and I attribute the lack of buzz to that.
I wonder if a lot of people will simply wait 'til the 3G version, and I really wonder how many will compare prices and benefits to what is offered in the UK and be put off an iPhone by a gentle feeling of being gouged by O2 and attribute that to Apple.
All other phones in these shops are always blank display dummies. The fact of having live phones you can feel and use and develop a taste for will really let people experience for themselves how different it is and will get them moving more and more I think.
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Originally Posted by rols
...iPhone is going out country by country and not very fast either. Every product has a lifetime and apple needs to get the iPhone out worldwide in a shorter amount of time before the buzz is over and it's just another product. ...
What is very evident to me is the amount of advertising up for phones that seek to compete with the iPhone and I agree with the comment above that Apple need to get these in as many countries as possible before the 'new' wears off. That may also be what is going on here.
Saturday is a bigger shopping day anyway and the numbers will tell in the end.
Any word on the reception the iPhones are getting?
Lines?
Media coverage?
Crowded stores?
Apathy?
Embarrassing cricket noises?
I'm just kinda curious because this seemed to be mentioned when the iPhone came out in other countries...
Not to beat a dead horse, but the second the iPhone is launched in Canada, you can bet the stores will have trouble keeping up with stock.
My suggestion to Canadians, wait till the WWDC in June and pray Jobs will announce something. If not by then, go across the 49th parallel and pick one up. Unlock it, run Independance or some other hack and Bob's your uncle. Not the preferred method, but one can only hold out for so long.
Your suggestion that Apple is the GREEDY one by stating that "Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers" in large red type is inflammatory and misleading.
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
Apple has settled trademark and domain name situations in the past.
Apple has also dealt with other telecoms, the music industry, big corporations who wish to retain their respective leverage and monopolies in the field.
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
Apple has settled trademark and domain name situations in the past.
Apple has also dealt with other telecoms, the music industry, big corporations who wish to retain their respective leverage and monopolies in the field.
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Wow. So I guess all the other companies care more about Canadian consumers than money.
The #1 concern of for-profit outfits by definition is making money. Sure, most good companies care about consumers, but the reason is that that will let them make more money!
Nobody at Apple is going to say "oh, we must at any cost get this wonderful device to the Canadians who are suffering in iPhone-less hell!" They will do it in a way that will make the best financial sense to them.
Does anybody know if Tmobile Austria uses Edge or UMTS?
I've been to austria in feb. and everywhere i went, the 3G signal was very good.. but i don't know what provider i used back then..
Regards,
Rick
I'm from Austria, Tmobile uses both EDGE and UMTS, but all other providers do so too, except of "one" (UMTS only) and "3" (UMTS only). Regards from Vienna
Wow. So I guess all the other companies care more about Canadian consumers than money.
The #1 concern of for-profit outfits by definition is making money. Sure, most good companies care about consumers, but the reason is that that will let them make more money!
Nobody at Apple is going to say "oh, we must at any cost get this wonderful device to the Canadians who are suffering in iPhone-less hell!" They will do it in a way that will make the best financial sense to them.
Nobody at Apple is going to say "oh, we must at any cost get this wonderful device to the Canadians who are suffering in iPhone-less hell!" They will do it in a way that will make the best financial sense to them.
Yeah so basically to boil down what you're saying, Apple could care less about delivering the iPhone to Canada unless their pockets are getting lined. My point still stands.
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Dude, get over yourself.
It takes two to tango--we don't know if Rogers and/or Comwave are negotiating in good faith. Maybe they know how much Apple *loves* the people of Canada and are holding out unreasonable demands trying to take advantage. We really have no idea what the negotiations have been like.
But to say that they have done a cost-benefit analysis as if it is some unethical, cruel act, well that just takes the cake. Jeez, I hate to break it it you, but Apple, like most companies, exists to make money--not to make you happy. Sorry. Now, if they can make money and make you happy, well, I'm sure that would tickle them pink. Apple has been pretty good at that over the years, building up a very loyal base that has also made them quite wealthy. But don't confuse that to mean that they somehow owe you happiness...
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
Apple has settled trademark and domain name situations in the past.
Apple has also dealt with other telecoms, the music industry, big corporations who wish to retain their respective leverage and monopolies in the field.
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
If it gets you to shut up with your whining... I'll be more than happy to assist... here goes...
YES... APPLE DOESN'T GIVE A RAT'S A** ABOUT YOU CANADIANS!! YOUR EXISTENCE IS MEANINGLESS TO THE "JOBS"!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to answer a call on my iPhone.
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Canada has some of the least expensive mobile tariff rates in the industrial world.
http://files.ctia.org/pdf/080108_US-...n_Ex_Parte.pdf
If the rates are so high, and the tariffs are so low, that would make Canada home of the greediest bastards running phone companies in the world.
And it's not available in Canada because someone is being dumb, greedy, stupid?
Yes, and in that order.
If the rates are so high, and the tariffs are so low, that would make Canada home of the greediest bastards running phone companies in the world.
As I said, Canadians (like me) enjoy some of the lowest prices in terms of mobile monthly plans in the world. We can enjoy to talk 400-500 minutes a month. We are more expensive than the US, but less expensive than most of the industrial world.
People complain about how Rogers have very expenisve data plans --- sure they have. But the other 2 carriers (CDMA) in Canada have cheaper data plans than Rogers GSM network.
Canada has some of the least expensive mobile tariff rates in the industrial world.
http://files.ctia.org/pdf/080108_US-...n_Ex_Parte.pdf
I think it is the cost of data plans which is so expensive in Canada. Since iPhone
relies on transferring lots of data for many of its features, this makes the overall
cost in Canada unattractive to users.
I think it is the cost of data plans which is so expensive in Canada. Since iPhone
relies on transferring lots of data for many of its features, this makes the overall
cost in Canada unattractive to users.
Canada has 1 GSM carrier and 2 CDMA carriers.
Not only is the CDMA carriers (which controls more than 1/2 of the market share) --- offer lower data prices than the lone Canadian GSM carrier --- they also were the first ones to launch 3G networks (ev-do) in Canada.
Keep what up? Speaking my mind? Oh sorry about that, I thought this forum was about the free exchange of ideas & opinions.
Why Apple? The last I heard, they were asking between 7 and 35 mil for the Canadian trademark.
Your suggestion that Apple is the GREEDY one by stating that "Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers" in large red type is inflammatory and misleading.
Based on the previously attached article, it is Comwave and Rogers that are the greedy ones.
As the article states, ""The force they (Apple) put into marketing would quickly make the brand Apple's and not ours," he said. "It's a case of hijacking the brand. If I asked people on the street who owns the iPhone trademark in Canada, they'd all say Apple. And their product isn't even in the market. So co-existence is not possible."
Interesting, that Barzakay (Comwave) doesn't want to let go of the trademark because it would hijack their brand, and yet recognizes that it has already happened. But the (his) bottom line as he states is that, "they (Apple) can buy the brand from us."
So who is the greedy b*****d? Well I would highly suggest it is not Apple.
The other scary issue is that when it comes to Australia this could mean that even though our Australian $ is almost at parity with the US $ we may see handset prices around $800. That would make me more keen to get one that has been unlocked. I think I would be too upset with that sort of feeling of extortion from Apple.
Lines?
Media coverage?
Crowded stores?
Apathy?
Embarrassing cricket noises?
I'm just kinda curious because this seemed to be mentioned when the iPhone came out in other countries...
Any word on the reception the iPhones are getting?
Embarrassing cricket noises?
Wellll...
I was down on Grafton St in Dublin this afternoon so my grateful little paws could finally feel what an iPhone is really like ( impressed! ) and there were no queues but people were playing with the display phones. They weren't clawing at each other's eyes to get to them though.
There's no buzz about it as such. I have been astonished all the way since january '07 how little has been seen in either the Irish or UK general media about the iPhone, as if it's just not cool or something. It reminds me of a certain type of pc-evangelising that moans and whines about anything Apple and I attribute the lack of buzz to that.
I wonder if a lot of people will simply wait 'til the 3G version, and I really wonder how many will compare prices and benefits to what is offered in the UK and be put off an iPhone by a gentle feeling of being gouged by O2 and attribute that to Apple.
All other phones in these shops are always blank display dummies. The fact of having live phones you can feel and use and develop a taste for will really let people experience for themselves how different it is and will get them moving more and more I think.
...iPhone is going out country by country and not very fast either. Every product has a lifetime and apple needs to get the iPhone out worldwide in a shorter amount of time before the buzz is over and it's just another product. ...
What is very evident to me is the amount of advertising up for phones that seek to compete with the iPhone and I agree with the comment above that Apple need to get these in as many countries as possible before the 'new' wears off. That may also be what is going on here.
Saturday is a bigger shopping day anyway and the numbers will tell in the end.
Oh yeah, Happy Paddy's Day to one and all!
Any word on the reception the iPhones are getting?
Lines?
Media coverage?
Crowded stores?
Apathy?
Embarrassing cricket noises?
I'm just kinda curious because this seemed to be mentioned when the iPhone came out in other countries...
Not to beat a dead horse, but the second the iPhone is launched in Canada, you can bet the stores will have trouble keeping up with stock.
My suggestion to Canadians, wait till the WWDC in June and pray Jobs will announce something. If not by then, go across the 49th parallel and pick one up. Unlock it, run Independance or some other hack and Bob's your uncle. Not the preferred method, but one can only hold out for so long.
Your suggestion that Apple is the GREEDY one by stating that "Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers" in large red type is inflammatory and misleading.
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
- Apple has settled trademark and domain name situations in the past.
- Apple has also dealt with other telecoms, the music industry, big corporations who wish to retain their respective leverage and monopolies in the field.
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
- Apple has settled trademark and domain name situations in the past.
- Apple has also dealt with other telecoms, the music industry, big corporations who wish to retain their respective leverage and monopolies in the field.
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
And you have inside information to back this up.
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Wow. So I guess all the other companies care more about Canadian consumers than money.
The #1 concern of for-profit outfits by definition is making money. Sure, most good companies care about consumers, but the reason is that that will let them make more money!
Nobody at Apple is going to say "oh, we must at any cost get this wonderful device to the Canadians who are suffering in iPhone-less hell!" They will do it in a way that will make the best financial sense to them.
Hi,
Does anybody know if Tmobile Austria uses Edge or UMTS?
I've been to austria in feb. and everywhere i went, the 3G signal was very good.. but i don't know what provider i used back then..
Regards,
Rick
I'm from Austria, Tmobile uses both EDGE and UMTS, but all other providers do so too, except of "one" (UMTS only) and "3" (UMTS only). Regards from Vienna
Boris
Wow. So I guess all the other companies care more about Canadian consumers than money.
The #1 concern of for-profit outfits by definition is making money. Sure, most good companies care about consumers, but the reason is that that will let them make more money!
Nobody at Apple is going to say "oh, we must at any cost get this wonderful device to the Canadians who are suffering in iPhone-less hell!" They will do it in a way that will make the best financial sense to them.
Post of the day!
And you have inside information to back this up.
No, just common sense and deductive reasoning.
Nobody at Apple is going to say "oh, we must at any cost get this wonderful device to the Canadians who are suffering in iPhone-less hell!" They will do it in a way that will make the best financial sense to them.
Yeah so basically to boil down what you're saying, Apple could care less about delivering the iPhone to Canada unless their pockets are getting lined. My point still stands.
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:
Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
Dude, get over yourself.
It takes two to tango--we don't know if Rogers and/or Comwave are negotiating in good faith. Maybe they know how much Apple *loves* the people of Canada and are holding out unreasonable demands trying to take advantage. We really have no idea what the negotiations have been like.
But to say that they have done a cost-benefit analysis as if it is some unethical, cruel act, well that just takes the cake. Jeez, I hate to break it it you, but Apple, like most companies, exists to make money--not to make you happy. Sorry. Now, if they can make money and make you happy, well, I'm sure that would tickle them pink. Apple has been pretty good at that over the years, building up a very loyal base that has also made them quite wealthy. But don't confuse that to mean that they somehow owe you happiness...
Let me break down what I am saying for you nice and simple:
- Apple has settled trademark and domain name situations in the past.
- Apple has also dealt with other telecoms, the music industry, big corporations who wish to retain their respective leverage and monopolies in the field.
Thus Apple could've dealt with Rogers and Comwave but has chosen not to do this in Canada based on perceived incurred costs. They have done a basic cost-benefit analysis and decided potential iPhone buyers in Canada are not worth it. Therefore my point still stands:Apple cares more about money than they do about Canadian consumers.
If it gets you to shut up with your whining... I'll be more than happy to assist... here goes...
YES... APPLE DOESN'T GIVE A RAT'S A** ABOUT YOU CANADIANS!! YOUR EXISTENCE IS MEANINGLESS TO THE "JOBS"!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to answer a call on my iPhone.
A "full priced" unsubsidized phone would be at least a couple hundred dollars more.
Actually, it's only between 100 and 125 USD more if taken from average prices you can currently buy it in Asia for.