Firefox 3 beta4 ... even runs on an ancient 300MHz PII - ha.
You can't image how glad I am to know this. Testing performance on a dinosaur PC or no commercial value is always a good use of the time you saved with a faster browser.
Apple on Tuesday announced the immediate availability of Safari 3.1, the latest version of what the company calls the "world's fastest web browser for Mac and Windows PCs."
How can Apple get away with saying this? As a lot of people have noted Firefox 3 beta 4 is faster.
Safari 3.1 for Mac OS X requires Mac OS X Leopard or Mac OS X Tiger version 10.4.11, a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Intel-based Mac or a Mac with a PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor and built-in FireWire.
Ok, I give up.
"... and built-in FireWire."
What is the designed-in capability for Safari doing with Firewire?
What is the designed-in capability for Safari doing with Firewire?
Somebody splain that to me?
It might be nothing to do with Firewire per se. It may be that all PPC Macs with Firewire are fast enough, but there are slower PPC machines without Firewire (e.g. early iMacs and iBooks, PowerMacs) that are too slow.
It might be nothing to do with Firewire per se. It may be that all PPC Macs with Firewire are fast enough, but there are slower PPC machines without Firewire (e.g. early iMacs and iBooks, PowerMacs) that are too slow.
Let's see, if my older book has a processor that is too slow...... I'll run the slower version of Safari instead of the faster version?
I don't buy it.
I think the author left that in without realizing it.....
Technically you are correct. However someone respectable would have to perform tests. Then they would have to have the money to sue Apple and then spend several years in court.
I just let claims like these roll of my back. Would the browser actually be any faster or slower had Apple not made this claim?
FireFox 3 Beta 4 is the fastest web browser I've ever used on a Mac.
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Originally Posted by qualar
Surely it is false adversing to make false claims. It is not just a boast it is illegal.
Also I must confess I have only tried Safari on OS X.
Surely it is false adversing to make false claims. It is not just a boast it is illegal.
Also I must confess I have only tried Safari on OS X.
Software and hardware companies that make product performance-specific claims "always" have test results to back it up. The testing, however, is done on controlled computers set up with specific operational settings enabled/disabled to merely "simulate" user conditions. The fact that it may or may not perform exactly the same on your or my computers doesn't make it false advertising.
These test set-ups typically are done with NO third party software installed that may affect outcome... in fact, the test computers may even be optimized with specific hardware to help prove claims. Caches may be set to not store info; cookies may have been disabled. The point is, they don't just go out into people's homes with a stopwatch and time how it works with your system.
Everybody does it this way -- if you don't think so, look at the rating for fuel economy on a new car, and then buy it and drive it. Chances are, you aren't going to get equivalent performance most of the time.
As for FireWire relevance, that has long been Apple's way of preventing claims against software operational dysfunctions when OS X is "installed" on G3-upgraded Macs that predated built-in FireWire.
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(a new tab button or the option to show the tab bar always - Ctrl+T is not the easiest or fastest way)
There is an option to always show the tab bar. And now you can double-click said tab bar to create a new tab.
There is an option to always show the tab bar. And now you can double-click said tab bar to create a new tab.
Danke, assumed it would be under Preferences (like FF or IE), but it was under 'View'. Much, much better now.
Firefox 3 beta4 ... even runs on an ancient 300MHz PII - ha.
You can't image how glad I am to know this. Testing performance on a dinosaur PC or no commercial value is always a good use of the time you saved with a faster browser.
Apple on Tuesday announced the immediate availability of Safari 3.1, the latest version of what the company calls the "world's fastest web browser for Mac and Windows PCs."
How can Apple get away with saying this? As a lot of people have noted Firefox 3 beta 4 is faster.
Safari 3.1 for Mac OS X requires Mac OS X Leopard or Mac OS X Tiger version 10.4.11, a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Intel-based Mac or a Mac with a PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor and built-in FireWire.
Ok, I give up.
"... and built-in FireWire."
What is the designed-in capability for Safari doing with Firewire?
Somebody splain that to me?
How can Apple get away with saying this? As a lot of people have noted Firefox 3 beta 4 is faster.
Get away with it?
I wouldn't wait for the boast-police to arrest them for saying it.
They can say anything they want.....
BTW - If you haven't checked the speed on Windows, you should, it's pretty fast.
Ok, I give up.
"... and built-in FireWire."
What is the designed-in capability for Safari doing with Firewire?
Somebody splain that to me?
It's a shorthand way of describing when the G3 processor got fast enough. The early G3 chips were slow and the mobos didn't have firewire.
Ok, I give up.
"... and built-in FireWire."
What is the designed-in capability for Safari doing with Firewire?
Somebody splain that to me?
It might be nothing to do with Firewire per se. It may be that all PPC Macs with Firewire are fast enough, but there are slower PPC machines without Firewire (e.g. early iMacs and iBooks, PowerMacs) that are too slow.
It might be nothing to do with Firewire per se. It may be that all PPC Macs with Firewire are fast enough, but there are slower PPC machines without Firewire (e.g. early iMacs and iBooks, PowerMacs) that are too slow.
Let's see, if my older book has a processor that is too slow...... I'll run the slower version of Safari instead of the faster version?
I don't buy it.
I think the author left that in without realizing it.....
(imagine that!)
Get away with it?
I wouldn't wait for the boast-police to arrest them for saying it.
They can say anything they want.....
BTW - If you haven't checked the speed on Windows, you should, it's pretty fast.
Surely it is false adversing to make false claims. It is not just a boast it is illegal.
Also I must confess I have only tried Safari on OS X.
Danke, assumed it would be under Preferences (like FF or IE), but it was under 'View'. Much, much better now.
It used to be in Preferences. I think Safari 3 changed that.
oh well...
It also no longer passes the Acid2 test, doh! When did that happen? Safari was famously the first browser to pass that test.
Odd. For me, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
Still no crashes. And my corporate website would lock up Safari very quickly - I think it was something to do with security certificates.
- Jasen.
I just let claims like these roll of my back. Would the browser actually be any faster or slower had Apple not made this claim?
FireFox 3 Beta 4 is the fastest web browser I've ever used on a Mac.
Surely it is false adversing to make false claims. It is not just a boast it is illegal.
Also I must confess I have only tried Safari on OS X.
Surely it is false adversing to make false claims. It is not just a boast it is illegal.
Also I must confess I have only tried Safari on OS X.
Software and hardware companies that make product performance-specific claims "always" have test results to back it up. The testing, however, is done on controlled computers set up with specific operational settings enabled/disabled to merely "simulate" user conditions. The fact that it may or may not perform exactly the same on your or my computers doesn't make it false advertising.
These test set-ups typically are done with NO third party software installed that may affect outcome... in fact, the test computers may even be optimized with specific hardware to help prove claims. Caches may be set to not store info; cookies may have been disabled. The point is, they don't just go out into people's homes with a stopwatch and time how it works with your system.
Everybody does it this way -- if you don't think so, look at the rating for fuel economy on a new car, and then buy it and drive it. Chances are, you aren't going to get equivalent performance most of the time.
As for FireWire relevance, that has long been Apple's way of preventing claims against software operational dysfunctions when OS X is "installed" on G3-upgraded Macs that predated built-in FireWire.