Apple's ultra-thin MacBook Air also slim on profits?

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
In its determination to deliver the world's thinnest notebook, Apple admitted to sacrificing some speed and versatility, but a new analysis suggests that it may have given up some early profits as well.



Though the Cupertino-based Mac maker largely beat estimates for its second fiscal quarter on Wednesday, one sore spot appeared to be gross margin, which came in at about 100 to 200 basis points below most analysts' expectations at 32.9 percent.



An ensuing conference call was thus dominated by matter, as Wall Street folk routinely pelted management with questions on the perceived shortcoming as they sought a better understanding for their models going forward.



While management largely attributed the near 2 percent margin decline from the prior quarter to February's iPod shuffle price cut and a routine falloff in sales of Mac OS X Leopard and iWork, Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster offered his own explanation.



"We believe the margin outlook may be viewed negatively by investors, who likely wanted to see more of Apple's significant revenue upside trickle down to earnings," he wrote in a note to clients early Thursday morning. "The bottom line, we believe the margin was negativity impacted by a higher mix of Mac Book Air, which we now believe carries a lower margin."



On the bright side, Apple has likely built the potential for margin expansion into its MacBook Air design as adoption swells and component prices fall. What's more, Apple management appeared upbeat in stating that the Air has thus far shown little to no cannibalization effect on the company's other notebook offerings and thus could be considered largely responsible for helping push Mac unit growth to its highest rate in nearly two decades.



"The key takeaway from Apple's March quarter is that the Mac units grew at the highest year-over-year rates (units 51 percent and revenue 54 percent) in 17 years," Munster added in his note to clients. "Macs are the most meaningful category with the most potential and they are performing the best."



Looking ahead, the Piper Jaffray analyst said he's modeling conservatively for Mac growth rates to decline to 12 percent year-over-year for the remainder of calendar year 2008, which leaves "ample room for positive estimate revisions over the next 8 months."



"Mac growth is accelerating despite multiple quarters of strong growth, iPod sales are stabilizing with higher average-selling-prices due to the touch, and the iPhone will be significant in the second half of the year with the release of new hardware and software," he wrote.

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  • Reply 1 of 68
    bageljoeybageljoey Posts: 2,004member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    "The bottom line, we believe the margin was negativity impacted by a higher mix of Mac Book Air, which we now believe carries a lower margin."



    On the bright side, Apple has likely built the potential for margin expansion into its MacBook Air design as adoption swells and component prices fall. What's more, Apple management appeared upbeat in stating that the Air has thus far shown little to no cannibalization effect on the company's other notebook offerings and thus could be considered largely responsible for helping push Mac unit growth to its highest rate in nearly two decades.




    This shouldn't really be a surprise. Apple often launches with competitive prices. Then, as a product gets established increasing economies of scale benefits, and as component prices inevitably fall, the margin increases on its on. Apple gets their foot in the door first and then turns on the profit machine.



    It is actually an amazing business model--they don't have to rase prices or cut quality to increase their margins. They just have to wait. Other computer makers cannot do this as they are essentially producing commodities--HP, Dell, Loveno et al have to keep cutting prices because they compete directly with each other. Apple, on the other hand, is somewhat removed and the competition is not as direct. Other makers can make a super-slim notebook, but few will be designed as well and none will run OSX...



    'Course, it sucks for anyone who wants to buy a cheep super portable by Apple, but it should make the stock holders happy in the long run...
  • Reply 2 of 68
    js29js29 Posts: 44member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    and the iPhone will be significant in the second half of the year with the release of new hardware and software," he wrote.







    Patiently waiting with my moolah.
  • Reply 3 of 68
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post


    It is actually an amazing business model--they don't have to rase prices or cut quality to increase their margins. They just have to wait. Other computer makers cannot do this as they are essentially producing commodities--HP, Dell, Loveno et al have to keep cutting prices because they compete directly with each other. Apple, on the other hand, is somewhat removed and the competition is not as direct. Other makers can make a super-slim notebook, but few will be designed as well and none will run OSX...



    'Course, it sucks for anyone who wants to buy a cheep super portable by Apple, but it should make the stock holders happy in the long run...



    None of those brands necessarily make the cheap ultraportables either. A lot of the people begging for a cheap Air either confuse the Air with the EEE & XO, or confuse the Air with the $400 Walmart specials - both of which is completely silly. It seems much of it is driven by an indifference to what makes the Air a completely different class of device, as if it's just too subtle to them.
  • Reply 4 of 68
    Except in terms of thickness, it's one of the largest laptops with a 13" screen that you can buy, no? I carry a bag that I've kept two other small notebooks in before. A Macbook Air wouldn't fit, though. I verified that by placing one atop the bag in the local Apple store.



    And the border around the screen makes it look cheap.



    I'd have bought it if they'd gotten it right, even for the insane current price, possibly. But thinness was apparently their only aim. I think they designed the ad campaign before they designed the product.
  • Reply 5 of 68
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post


    This shouldn't really be a surprise. Apple often launches with competitive prices. Then, as a product gets established increasing economies of scale benefits, and as component prices inevitably fall, the margin increases on its on. Apple gets their foot in the door first and then turns on the profit machine.



    ...



    Maybe often , but certainly not always.

    The initial release of a $600 iPhone completely negates your comments. How was that pricing competitive - only to drop $200 in less than 3 months?
  • Reply 6 of 68
    phizzphizz Posts: 142member
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    Originally Posted by JonathanC View Post


    And the border around the screen makes it look cheap. .



    I like the Air, i really do - but I have to agree with you on that point. It would look sooo much better if they reduced that bezel. Even adding an iMac style black surround would have helped - I'm very surprised they didn't.
  • Reply 7 of 68
    kreshkresh Posts: 379member
    Oh please.



    This guy claims that Apple is flat out lying for stating that the price drop on the Shuffle caused the SLIGHT margin decline because he believes it is the MacBook Air.



    What utter hogwash. Apple, and the senior management, have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, they can't just tell an outright lie, and would not risk doing so.



    Just because this moron wants to convince himself that he, standing on the outside looking in, has a better knowledge of Apple's financial operations does not make it so!
  • Reply 8 of 68
    kasperkasper Posts: 941member, administrator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kresh View Post


    Oh please.



    This guy claims that Apple is flat out lying for stating that the price drop on the Shuffle caused the SLIGHT margin decline because he believes it is the MacBook Air.



    What utter hogwash. Apple, and the senior management, have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, they can't just tell an outright lie, and would not risk doing so.



    Just because this moron wants to convince himself that he, standing on the outside looking in, has a better knowledge of Apple's financial operations does not make it so!



    Fair enough, but tone down the personal insults a bit. I'm pretty sure Gene does not strive to make inaccurate assertions. I think he was asserting that while Apple listed some possible reasons for the margin decline, it may not have listed them all.



    Best,



    K
  • Reply 9 of 68
    noirdesirnoirdesir Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JonathanC View Post


    But thinness was apparently their only aim.



    So, Steve Jobs walked into their offices and said: 'Get me something thin, I don't care about the rest".



    (Why do people always have to exaggerate their often valid points to such a degree that they come across as ludicrous?)
  • Reply 10 of 68
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
    I find it really hard to believe that Apple's not pocketing at least $900 from an $1800 computer built from half the parts of a circa 2006 consumer laptop.
  • Reply 11 of 68
    sapporobabysapporobaby Posts: 1,079member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kresh View Post


    Oh please.



    This guy claims that Apple is flat out lying for stating that the price drop on the Shuffle caused the SLIGHT margin decline because he believes it is the MacBook Air.



    What utter hogwash. Apple, and the senior management, have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, they can't just tell an outright lie, and would not risk doing so.



    Just because this moron wants to convince himself that he, standing on the outside looking in, has a better knowledge of Apple's financial operations does not make it so!



    Munster does have a "holier than thou" attitude that is at best condescending, and for the most part out right boring.



    It would be great to have a an organization that did nothing but track who wrong these guys are most of the time. Shaw Wu would be at the top of the "serial incorrect" list. If these guys were doctors, they would be on "Quack Watch".
  • Reply 12 of 68
    Margins dropped for many reasons, many of which were one time events.



    Apple for the first time that they have talked about lower the price in Europe for some of their

    products to account for the strong Euro. Before this quarter, they were just making extra money

    by keeping the price steady in euros and the euro was getting more and more valuable. When

    the euro gains 20-30% in value in a matter of months this is a big deal!



    Apple has not recognized earnings from the high margin iphone for models they sold since March

    6, when they announced the sdk details. Iphone sales have been strong since then. When they

    start recognizing this income again when 2.0 is released, margins will go up again. The deferred

    revenue is almost 2 billion dollars from iphone/apple tv...huge...over $2 a share in earnings yet

    to be recognized..and this figure is growing dramatically each quarter.



    Every product has lower margins when they first introduce it. Once the development costs are fully

    amoratized, like it probably has with the macbook and macbook pro, margins will go up, especially

    if they can keep the price the same, whih Apple usually does.
  • Reply 13 of 68
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    built from half the parts of a circa 2006 consumer laptop.



    It's hardly the same parts, but then, you wouldn't be saying that sort of thing if you actually knew what you were talking about.
  • Reply 14 of 68
    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member
    I listened to the entire conference call yesterday, and quite a busload of reasons were given for the low (but higher than predicted) margin:

    - lower contribution from Leopard/iLife/iWork sales (nothing makes for better margins than software)

    - some components (mainly memory/storage) purchased in 2007 at higher prices than current

    - Shuffle price cuts

    - international price cuts (mainly for the new MacBook and MacBook Pro) to reflect the USD exchange rate, these are fairly significant (my new Penryn 17" MBP with highres LED screen and 7200 rpm HD is almost 500 EUR / 793 USD cheaper than the previous model (Apple has not adjusted pricing to meet the declining USD for the 6 previous months), also new products (MacBook Air, iPod Touch, TimeCapsule) carry less USD/EUR mark-up than older products, so currency adjustment is already figured in here as well. Far over 40% of Apple's business are outside the US, so these price cuts do effect the margin a lot.

    - Almost entire months of March not reflected in iPhone revenue (for units sold after 6th of March)



    Now, how an analyst can ignore all these facts (which make good sense) and make up some magic MacBook Air profit problem is beyond me. There is no sustainable evidence to support this statement, a component tear-down would likely reveal that the MBA is pretty much identical in cost to a MacBook, maybe a tiny bit higher. At introduction this was the only 3 lbs ultra-portable notebook with a full sized screen and a full size keyboard on the market. Why would Apple sell a product that has no direct competition with lower profit margins than anything else? This statement is pure speculation and the article does not make one single point to support it.
  • Reply 15 of 68
    walshbjwalshbj Posts: 864member
    I have to say I'm shocked the stock is up today. I would have expected something more like this.
  • Reply 16 of 68
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    I find it really hard to believe that Apple's not pocketing at least $900 from an $1800 computer built from half the parts of a circa 2006 consumer laptop.



    Perhaps that's because you don't understand manufacturing and sales?
  • Reply 17 of 68
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JonathanC View Post


    Except in terms of thickness, it's one of the largest laptops with a 13" screen that you can buy, no? I carry a bag that I've kept two other small notebooks in before. A Macbook Air wouldn't fit, though. I verified that by placing one atop the bag in the local Apple store.



    And the border around the screen makes it look cheap.



    I'd have bought it if they'd gotten it right, even for the insane current price, possibly. But thinness was apparently their only aim. I think they designed the ad campaign before they designed the product.



    No, they did the research & found their market first. Maybe you are looking for a smaller screen but for the market the Air targets I think the design you are looking for will increasingly be satisfied by devices like the iPhone. The ultra portable laptop Apple designed was targeted at CEO types, people who want to carry it to a quick meeting or around the airport. These people don't cary backpacks, they carry binders & briefcases.



    I'm tired of people wining that the Air wasn't their cup of tea, get over it. The ultraportable niche is very complex & contains many variety of mini niches inside it. Apple chose the mini niche that makes the m the most money. Maybe they'll come out with more variety in the Air to fit other mini niches but enough with this stupidity about "they missed the mark". They didn't, they hit it right on the head so quit wining already.
  • Reply 18 of 68
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hezekiahb View Post


    No, they did the research & found their market first. Maybe you are looking for a smaller screen but for the market the Air targets I think the design you are looking for will increasingly be satisfied by devices like the iPhone. The ultra portable laptop Apple designed was targeted at CEO types, people who want to carry it to a quick meeting or around the airport. These people don't cary backpacks, they carry binders & briefcases.



    I'm tired of people wining that the Air wasn't their cup of tea, get over it. The ultraportable niche is very complex & contains many variety of mini niches inside it. Apple chose the mini niche that makes the m the most money. Maybe they'll come out with more variety in the Air to fit other mini niches but enough with this stupidity about "they missed the mark". They didn't, they hit it right on the head so quit wining already.



    I think that this case style has some built-in upgradability. After a while, Apple will eliminate some of that extra edge. It will then look new again, and smaller.
  • Reply 19 of 68
    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by walshbj View Post


    I have to say I'm shocked the stock is up today. I would have expected something more like this.



    Same here. I was ready to buy some more today and benefit from the usual post-conference-call-plummeting... this is highly irritating.
  • Reply 20 of 68
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hezekiahb View Post


    No, they did the research & found their market first. Maybe you are looking for a smaller screen but for the market the Air targets I think the design you are looking for will increasingly be satisfied by devices like the iPhone. The ultra portable laptop Apple designed was targeted at CEO types, people who want to carry it to a quick meeting or around the airport. These people don't cary backpacks, they carry binders & briefcases.



    I'm tired of people wining that the Air wasn't their cup of tea, get over it. The ultraportable niche is very complex & contains many variety of mini niches inside it. Apple chose the mini niche that makes the m the most money. Maybe they'll come out with more variety in the Air to fit other mini niches but enough with this stupidity about "they missed the mark". They didn't, they hit it right on the head so quit wining already.



    Nicely put which is why the product is selling quite well.
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