Isn't one of the things that is improved in Jaguar is the Finder - namely it's multithreading and "snappiness"?
This is not the same as Quartz Extreme.
Quartz extreme is for things like shadows, layers, transperencies etc.
It's another advancement. As always, there are things new software does that your old machine can't do. Nothing's changed.
I would love to make a DVD with iDVD, but my CD-RW isn't supported. It just doesn't do that.
Quartz Extreme is a good thing. Most people with a recent G4 will be able to use it. Better that than not having it at all so as not to tick off the people that can't use it. Right?
the radeon mobility lacks hardware T&L. All the supported cards have hardware T&L. The new radeon 7500 mobility has it. we may be getting screwed here if that's what make the difference</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, the note on the preview page clearly states "any AGP Radeon", which should include the Radeon Mobility too. Not sure how T&L would help here anyway other than accelerating those minimize / restore effects (Genie etc.). Then again, we'll probably find out soon enough.
<strong>c'mon apple, this is a piece of cr*p. are they saying this will be standard? correct me if im wrong, but does this mean my cube is unsupported under osx?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The cube does have an AGP slot, and there is (was?) a Radeon card to stick into that, which should put it on the "supported" side. Apart from that, just because you can't take advantage of "Extreme Quartz" doesn't make your machine unsupported.
<strong>c'mon apple, this is a piece of cr*p. are they saying this will be standard? correct me if im wrong, but does this mean my cube is unsupported under osx?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Which vid card do you have?? 32MB is for optimum performance. Cube has 2xAGP, so yes Quartz Extreme will run on the Cube. Got a GeForce2MX in there??
Any G4 450Mhz or higher that shipped that way from Apple are AGP. Most G4 400's are too (although some are not)</strong><hr></blockquote>Sawtooth 450 here:
The Rage128 won't support Extreme Quartz accordig to Apple, but you might be able to replace it for a Radeon (or any other card that physically fits into the cube).
The Rage128 won't support Extreme Quartz accordig to Apple, but you might be able to replace it for a Radeon (or any other card that physically fits into the cube).
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>Thanks, RazzFazz. Just for the record, it's a G4.
People! Quartz extrememe isn't the only speed boost. Jaguar will be recompiled with the new gcc 3.0.x and be it's freebsd updated. That in itself is a HUGE deal.
That alone should give you a 20% speed boost (without Quartz Extreme).
um, doesn't the white (dual USB) iBook, have AGP? I mean, I know the VRAM is only (maniacally laughing and crying) 8mb, but still, could iceBooks use Quartz Extreme? Everyone here who has an iBook knows OS X SUCKS on them. And, I can't imagine how much of a joke OS X (heh, especially 10.0) must be on an old iBook. Like, the first one.
My G4 is less than a year old-466 with 4x AGP and ATI Rage 128 pro w/16 Mb VRAM. Now I have to go out and buy a new video card? How much would the least expensive Quartz Extreme ready NVidia 32Mb Card Cost, or ATI Radeon?
All I can say is the OSX 10.2 upgrade had better cost $20, not a full price. Considering we spent $130 on a OS that really wasn't quite there yet I would hope Apple isn't dumb enough to screw us. Its bad enough having to upgrade almost brand new hardware. This all seems so microsoft to me, but I just want to know how much moolah i will be in for to upgrade my Graphics card-thanks...............................
Geez you guys, do you want Apple to advance the OS or not? They can't make it run great on every piece of old hardware. It's not like it WON'T WORK on a PowerBook with 16 MB of video RAM - it just won't work as FAST.
If you have one, you'll still see improvement. If you happen to have a new one with 32 MB, you'll see maximum improvement.
It's the price of innovating and advancing, people. Get used to it. (spoken in the nicest tone possible)
Guys, you can get a 32 MB AGP Radeon for ANY G4 tower with an AGP slot. Your Sawtooth Powermacs can utilize Quartz Extreme, but you may have to buy a new video card..not bad for a two year old system IMO.
And yes, even a cube can handle a Radeon, but not just any Radeon, you've got to get a special Radeon for the cube (the board is shaped differently). But if you're interested in upgrading, then why the hell did you buy a cube? I'm constantly amazed at how many cube owners whine about not being able to upgrade their cubes. For the LOVE OF GOD, you people payed EXTRA for the cube over a nice low end Powermac tower, and now you complain about not being able to upgrade it!??!?! That's fu[ked up!
Yes, Apple did point a gun to your head and make you pay for OS X... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Considering Apple said OS9 is dead, yeh they pretty much did
Well before we get all emotional about this, let me point out that Jobs said that OS 9 is dead for developers and specifically said that's not the case with consumers. They haven't dropped support for OS 9, just development. And Classic still ships with all Macs.
Hayden, I absolutely agree with you, there has to be a cutoff point with legacy hardware. Anything Beige, is DEFINITELY "old" and should be upgraded. However, the key word is *legacy*
How bout them iBooks? Currently shipping should be supported, don't you think? OS X sucks on iBooks. And even recent PB's and the still-selling iMac CRT can't do Quartz extreme.
MWNY must have some interesting announcements in store.. Oh dangit, anyone looking for an iBook 500 Combo?
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This is not the same as Quartz Extreme.
Quartz extreme is for things like shadows, layers, transperencies etc.
It's another advancement. As always, there are things new software does that your old machine can't do. Nothing's changed.
I would love to make a DVD with iDVD, but my CD-RW isn't supported. It just doesn't do that.
Quartz Extreme is a good thing. Most people with a recent G4 will be able to use it. Better that than not having it at all so as not to tick off the people that can't use it. Right?
<strong>torifile,
don't get too excited yet.
the radeon mobility lacks hardware T&L. All the supported cards have hardware T&L. The new radeon 7500 mobility has it. we may be getting screwed here if that's what make the difference</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, the note on the preview page clearly states "any AGP Radeon", which should include the Radeon Mobility too. Not sure how T&L would help here anyway other than accelerating those minimize / restore effects (Genie etc.). Then again, we'll probably find out soon enough.
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>c'mon apple, this is a piece of cr*p. are they saying this will be standard? correct me if im wrong, but does this mean my cube is unsupported under osx?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The cube does have an AGP slot, and there is (was?) a Radeon card to stick into that, which should put it on the "supported" side. Apart from that, just because you can't take advantage of "Extreme Quartz" doesn't make your machine unsupported.
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>c'mon apple, this is a piece of cr*p. are they saying this will be standard? correct me if im wrong, but does this mean my cube is unsupported under osx?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Which vid card do you have?? 32MB is for optimum performance. Cube has 2xAGP, so yes Quartz Extreme will run on the Cube. Got a GeForce2MX in there??
<strong>
Any G4 450Mhz or higher that shipped that way from Apple are AGP. Most G4 400's are too (although some are not)</strong><hr></blockquote>Sawtooth 450 here:
? AGP
? ATI Rage 128
? VRAM size: 16MB
That means I am outta luck?
- T.I.
<strong>Sawtooth 450 here:
? AGP
? ATI Rage 128
? VRAM size: 16MB
That means I am outta luck?
- T.I.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Rage128 won't support Extreme Quartz accordig to Apple, but you might be able to replace it for a Radeon (or any other card that physically fits into the cube).
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>
The Rage128 won't support Extreme Quartz accordig to Apple, but you might be able to replace it for a Radeon (or any other card that physically fits into the cube).
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>Thanks, RazzFazz. Just for the record, it's a G4.
Tschuess.
- T.I.
Will I see some Quartz Extreme acceration that isn't AGP specific? That's all that I ask for.
My mom's iMac DV SE 1999 on the other hand is outa luck, but X on her computer is snappy. (since I don't have any server running apache/mysql etc).
I just hope to see some Quartz Extreme on my Radeon PCI 21MB DDR that's non AGP specific. (Certain things of Quartz Extreme can Only be done with AGP.
That alone should give you a 20% speed boost (without Quartz Extreme).
So, will Quartz Extreme work on an iceBook?
All I can say is the OSX 10.2 upgrade had better cost $20, not a full price. Considering we spent $130 on a OS that really wasn't quite there yet I would hope Apple isn't dumb enough to screw us. Its bad enough having to upgrade almost brand new hardware. This all seems so microsoft to me, but I just want to know how much moolah i will be in for to upgrade my Graphics card-thanks...............................
If you have one, you'll still see improvement. If you happen to have a new one with 32 MB, you'll see maximum improvement.
It's the price of innovating and advancing, people. Get used to it. (spoken in the nicest tone possible)
Yes, Apple did point a gun to your head and make you pay for OS X... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
And yes, even a cube can handle a Radeon, but not just any Radeon, you've got to get a special Radeon for the cube (the board is shaped differently). But if you're interested in upgrading, then why the hell did you buy a cube? I'm constantly amazed at how many cube owners whine about not being able to upgrade their cubes. For the LOVE OF GOD, you people payed EXTRA for the cube over a nice low end Powermac tower, and now you complain about not being able to upgrade it!??!?! That's fu[ked up!
I would be absolutely livid right now had I just cracked and bought a 667 a few weeks ago.
But I didn't.
<strong>
Yes, Apple did point a gun to your head and make you pay for OS X... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Considering Apple said OS9 is dead, yeh they pretty much did
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
"You'll upgrade you're beige G3 to OS X if you know what's good for you!"
<strong>
Considering Apple said OS9 is dead, yeh they pretty much did
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well before we get all emotional about this, let me point out that Jobs said that OS 9 is dead for developers and specifically said that's not the case with consumers. They haven't dropped support for OS 9, just development. And Classic still ships with all Macs.
How bout them iBooks? Currently shipping should be supported, don't you think? OS X sucks on iBooks. And even recent PB's and the still-selling iMac CRT can't do Quartz extreme.
MWNY must have some interesting announcements in store..