I did not see the issue before and with the new installation I still do not see an issue. People that installed it by mistake could easily delete it.
It is obvious that Apple did the right thing as a large number of people decided to take it for a spin. Prior to the installation they were probably unaware that there was a browser named Safari. Now they know and are using it.
I installed it a t work I am very happy with it. Great on my Mac and Great on the stupid windows box that I am forced to use at work.
The complaint that many people have has nothing to do with how good the browser is, nor has it to do with IE - it is strictly a matter of business practice. It may be successful, but to me that doesn't justify the means. I am sure the stats would have been the same with the option to click, accompanied by some Apple like marketing. Back handed strategies just don't sit well with me. If you have something good to sell find a way to tell it like it is and 'they will come'. I wonder how many of the people who inadvertently installed Safari are now using it. My bet is that by far most of them have no idea Safari is even on their computer.
I just don't think anyone was "tricked" into downloading anything. Users clearly had the option to install or not install. There is no sketchy business practice here.
I just don't think anyone was "tricked" into downloading anything. Users clearly had the option to install or not install. There is no sketchy business practice here.
I know many companies have tried this at some point or another, but regardless of company, I much prefer the check boxes to be opt-in vs. opt-out. Do nothing, and the software does nothing. To me, that's the most sensible way to do it.
Wow. You need to get out of your parents basement more often.
Hahaha, funny. If I was on the outside I would've made the same joke. Unfortunately for the veracity of your comments, I have my own place where I'm married to a veryfoxylady. She doesn't mind that I'm a nerd sometimes. In return, I tollerate her quest to fill her every free moment with Sex and the City reruns. (That show in unbearable!) She feels the same way about my bi-weekly StarCraft tournaments, though, so it all works out.
So anyway... About Macs. Apple is a bully for forcing-- ah who am I kidding? There's no way I can re-rail this post. Oh well. Mods here don't care.
Well since Netscape stopped supporting their browser, I am sure Safari has claimed some of those non-conformists....
On Windows, it may be true that anything is better than Internet Explorer.... So Safari has potential there.... But Firefox is clearly the better browser, even on the Mac side
Although they gained some windows users it looks like more mac users have stopped using it
I think those numbers are more realistic. A quarter percent just seems like a lowball figure. On my sites, I see between 3% and 12%. Firefox generally gets about 3x that
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Originally Posted by MacLemming
Well since Netscape stopped supporting their browser, I am sure Safari has claimed some of those non-conformists....
On Windows, it may be true that anything is better than Internet Explorer.... So Safari has potential there.... But Firefox is clearly the better browser, even on the Mac side
I think it's a debatable claim. I use Firefox because it does certain things the way I want it to, but Safari has been more stable for me than Firefox 2. FF3 beta is pretty good though, it fixes most of the issues I have with Firefox.
To anyone that is upset about this 'trojan horse' behavior that Apple adopted, give me your address so I can show up at your doorstep and kick you in the schnitzel.
Just agreeing with all those posting that there's nothing shifty here about what Apple did. It's standard practice!!!
Don't believe me? Let's see, go to Adobe's site and download Acrobat Reader. Guess what? Yup, good ol' Google Toolbar is selected by default to be installed.
safari for windows is something of a waste of money.
apple would do far better to produce pages & keynote for windows. helping to establish them as a real alternative to MS office would gain apple far more than a web browser.
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It is obvious that Apple did the right thing as a large number of people decided to take it for a spin. Prior to the installation they were probably unaware that there was a browser named Safari. Now they know and are using it.
I installed it a t work I am very happy with it. Great on my Mac and Great on the stupid windows box that I am forced to use at work.
So PC users DO just click on the next button without looking at what they are doing!
Yes, not that its any different in any OS. Users don't read or look at what they're doing all the time.
I just don't think anyone was "tricked" into downloading anything. Users clearly had the option to install or not install. There is no sketchy business practice here.
I know many companies have tried this at some point or another, but regardless of company, I much prefer the check boxes to be opt-in vs. opt-out. Do nothing, and the software does nothing. To me, that's the most sensible way to do it.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...pcustom=Safari
Although they gained some windows users it looks like more mac users have stopped using it
Wow. You need to get out of your parents basement more often.
Hahaha, funny. If I was on the outside I would've made the same joke. Unfortunately for the veracity of your comments, I have my own place where I'm married to a very foxy lady. She doesn't mind that I'm a nerd sometimes. In return, I tollerate her quest to fill her every free moment with Sex and the City reruns. (That show in unbearable!) She feels the same way about my bi-weekly StarCraft tournaments, though, so it all works out.
So anyway... About Macs. Apple is a bully for forcing-- ah who am I kidding? There's no way I can re-rail this post. Oh well. Mods here don't care.
-Clive
On Windows, it may be true that anything is better than Internet Explorer.... So Safari has potential there.... But Firefox is clearly the better browser, even on the Mac side
But Safari's market share has actually slipped since this.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...pcustom=Safari
Although they gained some windows users it looks like more mac users have stopped using it
I think those numbers are more realistic. A quarter percent just seems like a lowball figure. On my sites, I see between 3% and 12%. Firefox generally gets about 3x that
Well since Netscape stopped supporting their browser, I am sure Safari has claimed some of those non-conformists....
On Windows, it may be true that anything is better than Internet Explorer.... So Safari has potential there.... But Firefox is clearly the better browser, even on the Mac side
I think it's a debatable claim. I use Firefox because it does certain things the way I want it to, but Safari has been more stable for me than Firefox 2. FF3 beta is pretty good though, it fixes most of the issues I have with Firefox.
Excuse me- but is 0.21 percent something to brag about or even publicize??\
It's more than I have. I have a browser on my desk called Brown Bread
Don't believe me? Let's see, go to Adobe's site and download Acrobat Reader. Guess what? Yup, good ol' Google Toolbar is selected by default to be installed.
It's everywhere folks.
ill-gotten gains
apple would do far better to produce pages & keynote for windows. helping to establish them as a real alternative to MS office would gain apple far more than a web browser.
Safari 3.1 on Windows has rapidly muscled gains over the past six weeks, already tripling Safari 3.0's peak at 0.21 percent.
Who else would get excited for a 0.21% browser footprint?
If I could write my own program, maybe I could beat the 0.21% market share of Safari on Windows. Nothing to get excited.
However, Safari 3.1 on Windows has rapidly muscled gains over the past six weeks, already tripling Safari 3.0's peak at 0.21 percent.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Inch worm, inch worm!!
Those "muscled gains" could use some steroids and get it above 1.0%.
"Ugggh- come on! You can do it- you can do it!!!!!["
It will be interesting to see data showing whether people are actually USING safari for windows, once that's available.
That is exactly what is being tracked.
The number of people actually using a certain browser/OS.
But Safari's market share has actually slipped since this.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...pcustom=Safari
Although they gained some windows users it looks like more mac users have stopped using it
No I guess that is just error. Because the market share of Mac OS X decreased too.
Who else would get excited for a 0.21% browser footprint?
If I could write my own program, maybe I could beat the 0.21% market share of Safari on Windows. Nothing to get excited.
Recheck your math. % .21 is a lot of computers using your browser. A whole lot.