Because Apple sells more AIOs than they do towers. Therefore if Apple is gaining desktop share then AIOs are also gaining desktop share. Who can AIOs take share away from? Gee, towers
First of all, the article you linked was about consumer sales, not overall sales. Last time I've checked, the consumer sales represent about 30% of the computer sales. So what happens in the consumer segment doesn't make it a trend in the global market.
Second, last time I've cheched the iMac represented about 30% of the Mac sales. That means that in a market were Apple has 6.6% market share (the US), the iMac represents about 2% of the computers sold, and in a market were Apple has less than 4% market share (worldwide), the iMac represents about 1% of the computers sold.
For each iMac sold, there are about 23 (50% of 93% / 2) PC towers sold in the US and about 48 (50% of 96%) PC towers sold worldwide. Apple is NOT "selling more AIOs than they do towers".
Since we are all making assumptions, I will say thet the iMac is cannibalizing sales from the Mac mini (limited/outdated) and the Mac Pro (too expensive).
Apple is NOT "selling more AIOs than they do towers".
Is that a typo or are you implying that the quoted text refers to all towers by all PC manufactures and is not referring to Mac Pros when "they" seems to refer to Apple?
More RAM won't matter. If you do video editing with FCP, you don't even need 4 GB.
Errr.. no. When I went from 3 to 5 GB it was a very happy day. It was definitely not the placebo effect. My machine was much smoother editing after that.
Errr.. no. When I went from 3 to 5 GB it was a very happy day. It was definitely not the placebo effect. My machine was much smoother editing after that.
I'd love to see evidence of that. I've been using FCP from the beginning, on machines with a max of 1.5 GB RAM, to 8 GB of RAM. Once I got beyond 2 Gb, there wasn't too much of an improvement, and once beyond 4 Gb, there was none at all.
Feelings don't count.
Except for certain editing work, such as rotoscoping, video editing needs less RAM than does PS.
Once I got beyond 2 Gb, there wasn't too much of an improvement, and once beyond 4 Gb, there was none at all.
It's my understanding that FCP itself can only address 2GB so that makes sense. But there's that pesky operating system and those pesky other apps. My computer is almost always working on something else like a DVD encode while I'm cutting.
As for the Psystar Hackintosh, I like the case actually, but I rather build my own - Apple needs to get with the program, and build a better Mini/xMac, the iMac is good for some, but others still want a sub-$1000 tower, like the Psystar, just not as flaky. And the Mini is getting long in the tooth.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
It's my understanding that FCP itself can only address 2GB so that makes sense. But there's that pesky operating system and those pesky other apps. My computer is almost always working on something else like a DVD encode while I'm cutting.
You could do that, of course, but it isn't recommended.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
Uh, that looks a lot like the one I designed when the G5 first came out. Except I had cooling through and through, like the G5 powermac.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
Reminds a lot of the white ASUS case that the Psystar uses, and also potentially noisy, as the fan port look small. But it's just a mockup, I know. Even shares the same power button location:
I would actually be impressed with Apple, if they could design something that wasn't just white or aluminum for a change. To me, it's gotten so bland - be different for once.
[QUOTE=guinness;1249342]Reminds a lot of the white ASUS case that the Psystar uses, and also potentially noisy, as the fan port look small. But it's just a mockup, I know. Even shares the same power button location:
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Psystar's computer has internal wires. The mockup has drawers like the MacPro. The Psystar looks to be much larger than the mockup.
Their consumer machines were always terrible, the performas in particular.
They were always for the geeks (Apple II), and later, the professional, schools, and artists.
No, Apple WAS for the above average consumer until a couple of years ago. Now they focus on a more trendy segment of the low end market.
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Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
I'd move the power button and front ports because they're going to be very hard to reach when floor mounted. Other than that it look very good.
[QUOTE=vinea;1249271I do find it interesting that Dell now offers an AIO along with Sony and Gateway. I'm not sure they would bother if they didn't see some growth in that area so in effect your test has occured in the reverse where a tower maker has added an AIO and have thus far kept it.[/quote]
And did they move their entire operation away from towers? No.
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Also note that Sony no longer makes a tower.
How's that treating them? I know you like to pass Sony off as a "premium" PC maker, but when it came to desktops they were making the same low end MicroATX crap as HP, Gateway, and Dell. They just charged more for it. Sony is a laptop maker with some moves into home entertainment center computer. That' their niche. They operate in something called any open market where different companies are Able to fill different requirements.
No, Apple WAS for the above average consumer until a couple of years ago. Now they focus on a more trendy segment of the low end market.
They used to say that they were, but except for the performers, and original iMacs, they never really were. And I always felt as though their consumer machines were there despite Apple's preference.
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I'd move the power button and front ports because they're going to be very hard to reach when floor mounted. Other than that it look very good.
There are some differences from my design. I also had the ports and switch up higher, somewhat like the Powermac, or Mac Pro.
but there isn't as much room in a shorter machine. I only allowed for one optical drive.
Reminds a lot of the white ASUS case that the Psystar uses, and also potentially noisy, as the fan port look small.
The Pystar has a really cheap fan that is on full blast all the time because it isn't being controlled by the firmware. An Apple machine would use much higher quality and more silent fans and they would be controlled to give as much airflow as needed.
I'd like it small enough to sit on my desk like a Mini, or have it mounted just below desk top. The one fault I see with it is that USB and Firewire ports are all in the rear.
It's hard to tell with the small pics, but it looks as though there two USB connectors to the left, and two FW to the right at the bottom of the case.
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Because Apple sells more AIOs than they do towers. Therefore if Apple is gaining desktop share then AIOs are also gaining desktop share. Who can AIOs take share away from? Gee, towers
First of all, the article you linked was about consumer sales, not overall sales. Last time I've checked, the consumer sales represent about 30% of the computer sales. So what happens in the consumer segment doesn't make it a trend in the global market.
Second, last time I've cheched the iMac represented about 30% of the Mac sales. That means that in a market were Apple has 6.6% market share (the US), the iMac represents about 2% of the computers sold, and in a market were Apple has less than 4% market share (worldwide), the iMac represents about 1% of the computers sold.
For each iMac sold, there are about 23 (50% of 93% / 2) PC towers sold in the US and about 48 (50% of 96%) PC towers sold worldwide. Apple is NOT "selling more AIOs than they do towers".
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
Since we are all making assumptions, I will say thet the iMac is cannibalizing sales from the Mac mini (limited/outdated) and the Mac Pro (too expensive).
Apple is NOT "selling more AIOs than they do towers".
Is that a typo or are you implying that the quoted text refers to all towers by all PC manufactures and is not referring to Mac Pros when "they" seems to refer to Apple?
More RAM won't matter. If you do video editing with FCP, you don't even need 4 GB.
Errr.. no. When I went from 3 to 5 GB it was a very happy day. It was definitely not the placebo effect. My machine was much smoother editing after that.
Errr.. no. When I went from 3 to 5 GB it was a very happy day. It was definitely not the placebo effect. My machine was much smoother editing after that.
I'd love to see evidence of that. I've been using FCP from the beginning, on machines with a max of 1.5 GB RAM, to 8 GB of RAM. Once I got beyond 2 Gb, there wasn't too much of an improvement, and once beyond 4 Gb, there was none at all.
Feelings don't count.
Except for certain editing work, such as rotoscoping, video editing needs less RAM than does PS.
More RAM won't matter.
The only time I've recommended 4GB or more RAM is for switchers that will be heavy virtualization users.
Once I got beyond 2 Gb, there wasn't too much of an improvement, and once beyond 4 Gb, there was none at all.
It's my understanding that FCP itself can only address 2GB so that makes sense. But there's that pesky operating system and those pesky other apps. My computer is almost always working on something else like a DVD encode while I'm cutting.
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As for the Psystar Hackintosh, I like the case actually, but I rather build my own - Apple needs to get with the program, and build a better Mini/xMac, the iMac is good for some, but others still want a sub-$1000 tower, like the Psystar, just not as flaky. And the Mini is getting long in the tooth.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
It's my understanding that FCP itself can only address 2GB so that makes sense. But there's that pesky operating system and those pesky other apps. My computer is almost always working on something else like a DVD encode while I'm cutting.
You could do that, of course, but it isn't recommended.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
Uh, that looks a lot like the one I designed when the G5 first came out. Except I had cooling through and through, like the G5 powermac.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
Reminds a lot of the white ASUS case that the Psystar uses, and also potentially noisy, as the fan port look small. But it's just a mockup, I know. Even shares the same power button location:
I would actually be impressed with Apple, if they could design something that wasn't just white or aluminum for a change. To me, it's gotten so bland - be different for once.
Uh, that looks a lot like the one I designed when the G5 first came out. Except I had cooling through and through, like the G5 powermac.
Mel, what are the dimensions of the one you designed?
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Psystar's computer has internal wires. The mockup has drawers like the MacPro. The Psystar looks to be much larger than the mockup.
Apple was never for the average consumer. Never!
Their consumer machines were always terrible, the performas in particular.
They were always for the geeks (Apple II), and later, the professional, schools, and artists.
No, Apple WAS for the above average consumer until a couple of years ago. Now they focus on a more trendy segment of the low end market.
Do you recall this Mini someone designed. It was in several threads last year. I love it. I drool over it. I dream about it. I want it. Please Apple, make this a reality.
Then we won't have to concern ourselves about clones. Don't drive some of us to crappy clones.
I don't know the dimensions of this mockup, but I assume it's half or less the size of a MacPro or about 4 times the size of a Mini.
I'd move the power button and front ports because they're going to be very hard to reach when floor mounted. Other than that it look very good.
Mel, what are the dimensions of the one you designed?
13.5H x 8.1W x 16D
And did they move their entire operation away from towers? No.
Also note that Sony no longer makes a tower.
How's that treating them? I know you like to pass Sony off as a "premium" PC maker, but when it came to desktops they were making the same low end MicroATX crap as HP, Gateway, and Dell. They just charged more for it. Sony is a laptop maker with some moves into home entertainment center computer. That' their niche. They operate in something called any open market where different companies are Able to fill different requirements.
I'd move the power button and front ports because they're going to be very hard to reach when floor mounted. Other than that it look very good.
I'd like it small enough to sit on my desk like a Mini, or have it mounted just below desk top.
No, Apple WAS for the above average consumer until a couple of years ago. Now they focus on a more trendy segment of the low end market.
They used to say that they were, but except for the performers, and original iMacs, they never really were. And I always felt as though their consumer machines were there despite Apple's preference.
I'd move the power button and front ports because they're going to be very hard to reach when floor mounted. Other than that it look very good.
There are some differences from my design. I also had the ports and switch up higher, somewhat like the Powermac, or Mac Pro.
but there isn't as much room in a shorter machine. I only allowed for one optical drive.
Reminds a lot of the white ASUS case that the Psystar uses, and also potentially noisy, as the fan port look small.
The Pystar has a really cheap fan that is on full blast all the time because it isn't being controlled by the firmware. An Apple machine would use much higher quality and more silent fans and they would be controlled to give as much airflow as needed.
I'd like it small enough to sit on my desk like a Mini, or have it mounted just below desk top. The one fault I see with it is that USB and Firewire ports are all in the rear.
It's hard to tell with the small pics, but it looks as though there two USB connectors to the left, and two FW to the right at the bottom of the case.
I had them in a vertical line as Apple does.