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  • Reply 181 of 425
    wilcowilco Posts: 985member
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    Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post


    If you honestly believe that (and many do not), then there's a simple solution for you: DON'T BE GAY.



    Don't be gay, Sparky!







    Stupid gay dog!
  • Reply 182 of 425
    tbagginstbaggins Posts: 2,306member
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    Don't be gay, Sparky!







    Stupid gay dog!







    LOL! Long time, no see, Wilco. I've been meaning to drop you an email.







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  • Reply 183 of 425
    wilcowilco Posts: 985member
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    LOL! Long time, no see, Wilco. I've been meaning to drop you an email.







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    Shhhhh! If you act friendly towards me, people might not think I'm a dick. And I've spent years cultivating that image.
  • Reply 184 of 425
    tbagginstbaggins Posts: 2,306member
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    Shhhhh! If you act friendly towards me, people might not think I'm a dick. And I've spent years cultivating that image.





    Oh right, sorry. Let me fix it:















    Good enough?







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  • Reply 185 of 425
    wilcowilco Posts: 985member
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    Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post


    Oh, right, sorry. Let me fix it:















    Good enough?







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    Now you're on the trolley!
  • Reply 186 of 425
    tbagginstbaggins Posts: 2,306member
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    Originally Posted by PG4G View Post


    Someone chooses homosexuality?



    Damn! Where did I go wrong? I must have chosen that at the same time I chose to have a form of autism...



    I am Christian, and won't act on my feelings with another guy, but I see both sides of the coin. I lived previously as both a Christian and an active homosexual.



    I choose to be as objective as I can, and I can tell you one thing, if the person is really homosexual, they never chose it. They may or may not like it, but keep in mind its something they don't choose.



    Perhaps you should spend some time getting to know what its like to grow up as a gay man, perhaps even going so far as one in the church. You will learn a lot about us very very quickly. The gay-bashings (though I act like a normal bloke) may be especially character building for you. The barbed-wire and razor wire cuts around your chest that may end up there for life, like they did for me, may be caused by "Christian young guys" who "know and love God." I had no reason to choose it. For those six hours of my life, I never wanted anything more than never to have endured homosexuality like I did.



    Perhaps you could learn stuff from people who had to deal with it. Thats my point. You can't know from a family member or friend - you are shut out of their world, at least until they come out, and even then, often there is a lot you may not understand.





    Well said.





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  • Reply 187 of 425
    frugalityfrugality Posts: 410member
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    Originally Posted by PG4G View Post


    Perhaps you could learn stuff from people who had to deal with it. Thats my point. You can't know from a family member or friend - you are shut out of their world, at least until they come out, and even then, often there is a lot you may not understand.



    I'm sorry for the hardships you have endured. We all have different urges....some good....some not so good. But God has told us that sex is for marriage only. As a single person, I have no more right to have sex that a homosexual does.
  • Reply 188 of 425
    hezekiahbhezekiahb Posts: 448member
    [QUOTE=iHarry;1251513][QUOTE]
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    Wow, I'm glad you had an argument. So Leviticus is all wrong. How convenient. But by your argument then, homosexuality is not really a sin is it. Which other parts of the bible are "harsh" so we don't waste any time on them? Since you are the expert, do we just follow the passages you chose to or should we wait for the list? You cannot take the bible literally when it suits you. if you take one passage literally you need to take them all literally. I'm an idiot because I point out how ridiculous this is and your a genius because you believe in someone there is not an iota of proof ever existed? Gimmie a break!



    Feel free to follow my link if you really want to keep discussing this. You completely mis-understood what I was saying, except for the part where I called you an idiot, which is obvious from your invigorated response. To call you an idiot isn't to imply I'm a genius, more likely I would call myself a fellow idiot as I have no wisdom to myself. I confess I wanted to ensure a response out of you so I could make this point.



    It's just irritating when people get going on these rants, then people rant back, & no actual intelligent debate actually occurs. I've been far more than wordy on this forum so again I'm gonna step back & offer people to continue the discussion elsewhere.



    http://groups.google.com/group/theological-debate
  • Reply 189 of 425
    pg4gpg4g Posts: 383member
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    Originally Posted by frugality View Post


    I'm sorry for the hardships you have endured. We all have different urges....some good....some not so good. But God has told us that sex is for marriage only. As a single person, I have no more right to have sex that a homosexual does.



    Perhaps you missed the part where I agreed with you that i did not believe it was right. i just challenged your assumption that your brother chose it.



    It will help you relate to your brother if you understand he never chose to be attracted that way.



    I can understand why people see it as fine, and if I didn't believe it was not God's will, I would be back there in a heartbeat.



    Broke up with a guy recently because I couldn't take the contradiction in my own heart between the two... that and my boyfriend kept worrying he would hurt the scars over my chest... he was a worry wort at times... an extremely handsome worry wart.
  • Reply 190 of 425
    hezekiahbhezekiahb Posts: 448member
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    Originally Posted by PG4G View Post


    Perhaps you missed the part where I agreed with you that i did not believe it was right. i just challenged your assumption that your brother chose it.



    It will help you relate to your brother if you understand he never chose to be attracted that way.



    I can understand why people see it as fine, and if I didn't believe it was not God's will, I would be back there in a heartbeat.



    Broke up with a guy recently because I couldn't take the contradiction in my own heart between the two... that and my boyfriend kept worrying he would hurt the scars over my chest... he was a worry wort at times... an extremely handsome worry wart.



    PG4G, you may find interrest in this site.



    http://www.exodus-international.org/



    Got to see them at a conference & it helped me understand a lot about a cousin who has gone through many of the same feelings. For her I think it was more that she wasn't sure at all what she wanted to be or do with her life & a liberal college convinced her that the obvious solution was homosexuality.
  • Reply 191 of 425
    frugalityfrugality Posts: 410member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PG4G View Post


    Perhaps you missed the part where I agreed with you that i did not believe it was right. i just challenged your assumption that your brother chose it.



    It will help you relate to your brother if you understand he never chose to be attracted that way.



    I understand your position, however I'm not so sure you can say that he never chose to be attracted that way. He had a girlfriend, one who was a bit selfish it seemed, and it left some sore feelings at their break-up, shortly before he got involved in the furriness. I think the furriness was more of a 'fetish', and the homosexuality came from that, where it wasn't there before.



    I do understand that some people have urges from an early age, and this is hard if not impossible to explain. However, there are some who definitely chose homosexuality, and my brother was one of those.



    It's sort of the psychological discussion of 'nature vs. nurture'. Some seem to have had the urge early on (nature). Some seem to have cultivated it, or have been affected by events in life (nurture). There are a high percentage of homosexuals that have been sexually abused as children, enough so that it seems to be a cause in many cases. Sexually abused children are more likely to be homosexual later on. Also consider Tila Tequila, who has been in the internet news lately because she said she experimented with lesbianism before the age of 10. This has lead to some confusion in her.
  • Reply 192 of 425
    msnlymsnly Posts: 378member
    I don't believe in religion; not saying I don't believe in A god.



    and I'm an agnostic...



    I was raised a presbyterian



    I think there is no problem with homosexuals, but I do with religious fundamentalism.
  • Reply 193 of 425
    tbagginstbaggins Posts: 2,306member
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    For her I think it was more that she wasn't sure at all what she wanted to be or do with her life & a liberal college convinced her that the obvious solution was homosexuality.













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  • Reply 194 of 425
    schmidm77schmidm77 Posts: 223member
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    Yeah, I can tell you don't like it or want to accept it. I mean, I'm not totally crazy about it myself, but why the whole "square peg in a round hole" thing? I'll repeat myself: bisexuality/homosexuality has been observed, by scientists, in HUNDREDS of species and counting. If that doesn't qualify as "natural," then I guess we're all about as artificially-made as the keyboards we're typing on. Animals don't have opinions. (Yeah, I know, technically we're animals too, but that's not my point.) So if they are gay, then it MUST be natural. Why would it suddenly be different for humans? Is it unnatural for us to do it simply because we DO have opinions?



    As Carlos Mencia would put it, "DUH-DUH-DUH!"



    These discussions really don't go anywhere, especially when neither side uses sound reasoning.



    There are lots of things that occur in nature, and are therefore "natural." Down's Syndrome is a naturally occurring condition; doesn't make it evolutionarily advantageous for a species to produce offspring with it. The entire argument is just stupid. Is there a good biological reason for homosexuality to exist? Not really if the primary imperative of life is to produce more life. But why should anybody care? Let people do what they want to do; they aren't bothering anybody else.
  • Reply 195 of 425
    jonnybjonnyb Posts: 64member
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  • Reply 196 of 425
    frugalityfrugality Posts: 410member
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    Originally Posted by MsNly View Post


    I don't believe in religion; not saying I don't believe in A god.



    and I'm an agnostic...



    I was raised a presbyterian



    I think there is no problem with homosexuals, but I do with religious fundamentalism.



    Realize that that's like saying, "I believe in physics, but I have a problem with Newton's Law." You can't be an anti-fundamentalist Physicist. The fundamentals are just that...fundamental. They are core to the very belief.



    If there is a truth, it is fundamental. You're saying, "I want God, but I don't want any specifics." You want a fuzzy religion with no Truth.



    God is a fundamentalist, by the way.
  • Reply 197 of 425
    carniphagecarniphage Posts: 1,984member
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    Either way, it's called....faith.



    No. There's a massive gulf between believing stuff based on rational argument, logic and evidence. And believing stuff despite logic and evidence.



    Science is based on doubt and caution. You propose a theory and then others try to disprove it. One successful disproof and the theory is abandoned.



    Faith is the exact opposite. The stronger your faith, the less evidence you need.



    Which is why faith leads to so much evil.

    Doubtful people act cautiously. They question everything. They have to think hard to decide what the right course of action is. It's hard work!



    People of faith have no doubts. They can commit horrible acts, because they "know" they are right. Real evil thrives on faith. As suicide bombers can amply demonstrate.



    C.
  • Reply 198 of 425
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    Realize that that's like saying, "I believe in physics, but I have a problem with Newton's Law." You can't be an anti-fundamentalist Physicist. The fundamentals are just that...fundamental. They are core to the very belief.



    If there is a truth, it is fundamental. You're saying, "I want God, but I don't want any specifics." You want a fuzzy religion with no Truth.



    God is a fundamentalist, by the way.



    you obviously have no idea what religious fundamentalism is, or have a very closed mind about what a religion can be.
  • Reply 199 of 425
    frugalityfrugality Posts: 410member
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    Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post


    No. There's a massive gulf between believing stuff based on rational argument, logic and evidence. And believing stuff despite logic and evidence.



    Science is based on doubt and caution. You propose a theory and then others try to disprove it. One successful disproof and the theory is abandoned.



    Scientists have no evidence at all that one species has evolved into another species. Only that there are different species in the fossil record.



    Scientists have no evidence at all that life could come together out of a primordial soup all by itself. In fact, statistical analysis shows that in the 4 billion years that the earth has been around, not one single protein could have come together by accident, much less a single cell, much less an organism, much less complex organisms evolving from one to another.



    It is only by faith that such things are believed, and this is no more 'rational', if you will, than the theory that God created everything.
  • Reply 200 of 425
    frugalityfrugality Posts: 410member
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    you obviously have no idea what religious fundamentalism is, or have a very closed mind about what a religion can be.



    Enlighten us then.
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