Notice that the article didn't actually claim a G3 at 1 GHz, just "flirting" at that speed. Of the all the next iMac's features, I think its processor is most uncertain. Aren't those new IBM G3s not even due until sometime later in Q1 2002?
I post this assuming that AI's triumphant return to the rumour business has at least some basis in fact, like all good rumours should.
If this thing is like the current model (completely un-upgradeable) then it better be cheap: ie. 1299 with an LCD and Superdrive. Would it kill them to make a cheap cube and bundle it with an LCD??? Come on Apple, just one friggin AGP and one PCI slot. That's all. I realize that even the cube didn't have that, but it would make the perfect computer.
They need to loose the all in one form factor. Why not 'big' and 'little' towers for the pro and the consumer? PowerMac gets something of the current size with the current number of slots and drive bays. iMac gets a much smaller case of similar design with room for only one HDD and only one PCI and one AGP slot. To make it narrow, the optical drive is a vertically oriented slot loader , making the whole thing about as big as a dictionary with letter (or slightly smaller) size pages. ADC solves most of the 'simplicity' concerns, and the limit on slots gives just enough room for graphics and sound card upgrades without stomping all over the pro market models.
I pick my Apple display to connect to the ADC video. The 15" is included as the base for between 999-1499 depending on HDD, RAM, and Optical drive, or alternatively I can spend more on a 17" (or even 22") if I want to. I'd buy one with a 17" LCD in a second.
But friggin Apple won't make a computer I want. Damn it! Thankfully I'm looking at laptops and not desktops. Why would anyone buy a desktop with scarcely more expandability/power than a laptop??? The prices are even in the ballpark between iMacs and iBooks. Come Apple, just a modicum of well thought-out expansion, that's all we're asking for. That, or $1299 towers.
<strong>Notice that the article didn't actually claim a G3 at 1 GHz, just "flirting" at that speed. Of the all the next iMac's features, I think its processor is most uncertain. Aren't those new IBM G3s not even due until sometime later in Q1 2002?</strong>
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Well, it seems that all of three people actually saw the article before it was pulled so who knows what it really said. Did it even mention the G3? All we have is a translation of a summary of the original article. I doubt anyone at Apple even saw it let alone made them pull it if that is the intended effect. No explanation was given of course. If they start using words like "embargoed" I'm going to be seriously pissed off.
<strong>Okay. The next time AI posts something be sure to copy it into the thread. That way when the reverse we'll still have a copy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I put it on my away message, then the story is moved - great. Helps my credibility too
Yes, it did say G3s, was it Apollo? Mentioning some keyword named G3 chip from IBM.
Why don't they stop making all-in-one machines? Because my mom doesn't care about expandibility. Neither does my grandparents. For that matter, my uncle doesn't want to deal with it either.
And for those of us who want to expand beyond the iMac...well, that's why we have to shel lout $500 for a tower. Not a big deal.
I mean, you have an imac - the best one for what, 1299? Or you can get a tower, with a flatpanel monitor for only $500 more. Not a big deal for what you get - massive speed boosts (G3 to G4) better monitor (flat), better insides, and massive expandibility.
If they released a "consumer" imac that was a small tower that had a little bit of expandibility, then I'd buy that and not shell out more money for the huge tower that I don't use all of.
Apple isn't stupid, They know what sells, and how to sell it.
Case Com (I think that was it) has pretty much everything the article said that you would need to know.
Also, I don't think I would give up on the all-in-one design. It's way to easy to show to new users and the middle machine they had died in the water. I still think if they cut the costs on the Cube they could sell it though.
Finally, who, other than maybe Apple, says you need a G4 to use the combo drive? Is this an actual requirement or can a fast G3 take care of it.
Not sure if any of you have seen my flat panel iMac renderings. I showed these when we last thought a flat iMac would be announced, instead we got the "Quicksilver". So here they are. It's based on an iBook, but with no hinge for a display. Everything would be in one enclosure thus reducing the cost. Let me know what you think.
<strong>Finally, who, other than maybe Apple, says you need a G4 to use the combo drive? Is this an actual requirement or can a fast G3 take care of it.
Sounds like a cool machine to me.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple said a G4 (maybe its just AltiVec though) is needed to do the encoding and since they make the iMac... well, you get the point. Other companies use hardware encoding like in the Sony MX. Yes, it sounds like a cool machine but I think its time to move on to the G4, especially if iDVD is to be used on the machine it was originally designed for. If Sahara is a G3 with AltiVec (I have no idea) and is to be used then that does not bode well for a PowerMac G5 introduction.
Here is a translation of an article from the <a href="http://www.mygarage.fr.st"; target="_blank">www.mygarage.fr.st</a> website:
iMac LCD in January
28/11/2001
All our sources seem to confirm it, iMac LCD will be presented at Macworld of San Francisco next January.
Moreover, the name of this new machine will not be any more iMac. Well cavity, this name is preciously hidden and only one handle of people are well-informed, just like the design ultra-signal-secrecy.
Concerning the design features:
- the processor should be G3 with 1 Ghz, coming from IBM
- the screen would be one 14.1 inches, equivalent to one 16 inches cathodic or CRT
- the memory would be 128 Mo on the version of input of range and 256 Mo on the other configurations
- the hard disk should be 40, 60 and 80 Go - engraver Cd-rw, combo Dvd-cdrw and Superdrive would owe equipped the 3 configurations - and as usual modem 56k, Ethernet 10/100 Mbits, loan for AirPort, USB and FireWire Concerning the prices, information is rather vague. Steve Jobs would wish a machine with $899 (8100 francs including all taxes), but it will be probably $999 (9000 francs including all taxes) for reasons of relatively high costs of screens LCD. The most expensive configuration (256 Mode RAM, HD of 80 Go, SuperDrive, AirPort card) couterait $1599 (15000 francs including all taxes). Waiting should not be very long any more, then patience...
<strong>If the screen is really 14.1" there is no way I am going to buy it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
14.1 is bigger then the current screen. So it IS an improvement. You can't expect them to put in a 15.2 inch widescreen and have the price come in at $999.
I think 14.1 is perfect for the market that they're going for. If its true that it will be 1Ghz, DVD and 14.1 for 999....wow
Comments
<strong>I see they're working hard on their credibility. Nice.</strong>
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LOL
apple_otaku
[quote]That's essentially what the AI article said. It said it would look like a display from some angles, but bulkier.<hr></blockquote>
Slimmer Titanium-like iMac due next week!
I post this assuming that AI's triumphant return to the rumour business has at least some basis in fact, like all good rumours should.
They need to loose the all in one form factor. Why not 'big' and 'little' towers for the pro and the consumer? PowerMac gets something of the current size with the current number of slots and drive bays. iMac gets a much smaller case of similar design with room for only one HDD and only one PCI and one AGP slot. To make it narrow, the optical drive is a vertically oriented slot loader , making the whole thing about as big as a dictionary with letter (or slightly smaller) size pages. ADC solves most of the 'simplicity' concerns, and the limit on slots gives just enough room for graphics and sound card upgrades without stomping all over the pro market models.
I pick my Apple display to connect to the ADC video. The 15" is included as the base for between 999-1499 depending on HDD, RAM, and Optical drive, or alternatively I can spend more on a 17" (or even 22") if I want to. I'd buy one with a 17" LCD in a second.
But friggin Apple won't make a computer I want. Damn it! Thankfully I'm looking at laptops and not desktops. Why would anyone buy a desktop with scarcely more expandability/power than a laptop??? The prices are even in the ballpark between iMacs and iBooks. Come Apple, just a modicum of well thought-out expansion, that's all we're asking for. That, or $1299 towers.
<strong>Notice that the article didn't actually claim a G3 at 1 GHz, just "flirting" at that speed. Of the all the next iMac's features, I think its processor is most uncertain. Aren't those new IBM G3s not even due until sometime later in Q1 2002?</strong>
<hr></blockquote>
Well, it seems that all of three people actually saw the article before it was pulled so who knows what it really said. Did it even mention the G3? All we have is a translation of a summary of the original article. I doubt anyone at Apple even saw it let alone made them pull it if that is the intended effect. No explanation was given of course. If they start using words like "embargoed" I'm going to be seriously pissed off.
apple_otaku
[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: apple_otaku ]</p>
<strong>Okay. The next time AI posts something be sure to copy it into the thread. That way when the reverse we'll still have a copy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/0111/imac2002.phtml"; target="_blank">www.appleinsider.com/articles/0111/imac2002.phtml</a>
That was the address. It has moved on.
Yeah, I put it on my away message, then the story is moved - great. Helps my credibility too
Yes, it did say G3s, was it Apollo? Mentioning some keyword named G3 chip from IBM.
Why don't they stop making all-in-one machines? Because my mom doesn't care about expandibility. Neither does my grandparents. For that matter, my uncle doesn't want to deal with it either.
And for those of us who want to expand beyond the iMac...well, that's why we have to shel lout $500 for a tower. Not a big deal.
I mean, you have an imac - the best one for what, 1299? Or you can get a tower, with a flatpanel monitor for only $500 more. Not a big deal for what you get - massive speed boosts (G3 to G4) better monitor (flat), better insides, and massive expandibility.
If they released a "consumer" imac that was a small tower that had a little bit of expandibility, then I'd buy that and not shell out more money for the huge tower that I don't use all of.
Apple isn't stupid, They know what sells, and how to sell it.
Andrew
Also, I don't think I would give up on the all-in-one design. It's way to easy to show to new users and the middle machine they had died in the water. I still think if they cut the costs on the Cube they could sell it though.
Finally, who, other than maybe Apple, says you need a G4 to use the combo drive? Is this an actual requirement or can a fast G3 take care of it.
Sounds like a cool machine to me.
[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Tomahawk ]</p>
here's the link
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/macslash/"; target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/macslash/</a>;
derrick
<strong>Yes, it did say G3s, was it Apollo? Mentioning some keyword named G3 chip from IBM.</strong><hr></blockquote>It said Sahara.
Great, now we've got rumors about what the rumor said.
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Finally, who, other than maybe Apple, says you need a G4 to use the combo drive? Is this an actual requirement or can a fast G3 take care of it.
Sounds like a cool machine to me.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple said a G4 (maybe its just AltiVec though) is needed to do the encoding and since they make the iMac... well, you get the point. Other companies use hardware encoding like in the Sony MX. Yes, it sounds like a cool machine but I think its time to move on to the G4, especially if iDVD is to be used on the machine it was originally designed for. If Sahara is a G3 with AltiVec (I have no idea) and is to be used then that does not bode well for a PowerMac G5 introduction.
Where's the frelling report? Repost it already!
apple_otaku
[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: apple_otaku ]</p>
<a href="http://www.lowendmac.com/rumormill/01/0709.html"; target="_blank">http://www.lowendmac.com/rumormill/01/0709.html</a>;
detailing the concept out. they came pretty close to what I had in mind when I designed it.
derrick
<strong>it'll be back... we forgot to clear it properly.
Clear it with whom?
iMac LCD in January
28/11/2001
All our sources seem to confirm it, iMac LCD will be presented at Macworld of San Francisco next January.
Moreover, the name of this new machine will not be any more iMac. Well cavity, this name is preciously hidden and only one handle of people are well-informed, just like the design ultra-signal-secrecy.
Concerning the design features:
- the processor should be G3 with 1 Ghz, coming from IBM
- the screen would be one 14.1 inches, equivalent to one 16 inches cathodic or CRT
- the memory would be 128 Mo on the version of input of range and 256 Mo on the other configurations
- the hard disk should be 40, 60 and 80 Go - engraver Cd-rw, combo Dvd-cdrw and Superdrive would owe equipped the 3 configurations - and as usual modem 56k, Ethernet 10/100 Mbits, loan for AirPort, USB and FireWire Concerning the prices, information is rather vague. Steve Jobs would wish a machine with $899 (8100 francs including all taxes), but it will be probably $999 (9000 francs including all taxes) for reasons of relatively high costs of screens LCD. The most expensive configuration (256 Mode RAM, HD of 80 Go, SuperDrive, AirPort card) couterait $1599 (15000 francs including all taxes). Waiting should not be very long any more, then patience...
<strong>it'll be back... we forgot to clear it properly.
NO, we didn't. I haven't been to AI home page with this computer.
I hope you are listening Apple Ti book screen or larger please.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
15 = good, and what our article said.
<strong>If the screen is really 14.1" there is no way I am going to buy it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
14.1 is bigger then the current screen. So it IS an improvement. You can't expect them to put in a 15.2 inch widescreen and have the price come in at $999.
I think 14.1 is perfect for the market that they're going for. If its true that it will be 1Ghz, DVD and 14.1 for 999....wow