if youre standing directly under the cell tower and no one else is using it
Not really. Speeds are expected to eventually go to well above 100 Mps. to 400 Mps from what some in the industry are saying. Actual speeds will be lower, but that's still quite a bump.
I remember when I was networking with LocalTalk (still have all the cables and such in a draw) at 256 Kbs, and thought it was like lightning. That was as fast as the HDDs of the day.
...or do you think there is another hardware iphone v3 that would be needed?
I'd wager that a new chip (which isn't even on the market yet) will be required for 14.4Mb/s, much less 42Mb/s. No software update is going to enable this.
Or does anyone think that Apple has created there own 3G chip and the S-GOLD3H code was a jsut a red herring?
While there are denials here about this speed, it's interesting that they said that they had samples of the phones, and were working with them. That's certainly possible. And if so, why would he say it worked at that speed if it didn't? Unless it was a clear mistake, one that is hard to understand, there could be something we don't yet know about.
Damn right! I'd wager Apple in all its super secretiveness has contracts that forbid disclosing such unreleased products and probably have steep penalties associated with it.
It's a consequence of being a big country with an extensive existing infrastructure. Many countries concentrate their population densities in relative few areas. Telecoms don't have to divide their infrastructure investments across many geographies. In addition, some countries have either no infrastructure or minimal infrastructure and thus a much sharper need for new build-out.
I hear that same argument in Canada all the time, 'big country, blablabla' but here, as well as in the states to a certain degree, most of the population IS concentrated in the big cities and even there we are far behind other parts of the world. the providers have not done much to keep their infrastructure updated and have instead oversold their bandwidth and raked in the money. the way Canadians get shafted on mobile internet access is legendary...
The immediate fallout of the incident: Jobs ordered all Radeon boards be pulled from Macintosh PCs in Apple's booth, removal of any mention of ATI products from his keynote address on Wednesday and the cancellation of a keynote demonstration of the new Radeon graphics chip.
But do check out the article. it's a good example of how serious jobs is about it and what the consequences can be if a company thinks they need to upstage him...
Thank you, I knew I forget something in my previous post.
5) 3GPP Release 7 not finished.
Yup. It'd be a miracle for a hardware manufacturer to roll out Release 7 hardware during the final stages of the spec being agreed although Qualcomm at least were claiming silicon that implements it back end of last year. It's not 42Mbps or even 14.4Mbps but they're somehow claiming Release 7...
I doubt they'd change from Infineon's chips but perhaps there's something up their sleeve for 3G and they've got killer silicon just waiting for a firmware upgrade to reach the spec when finalised.
edit: I'm not sure the spec isn't final already. Wikipedia says 'In progress Q2 2008'. 3gpp.org lists release 7 as being Oct 2007 and 7.1 in December. But still, silicon that implements the full spec seems unlikely.
The immediate fallout of the incident: Jobs ordered all Radeon boards be pulled from Macintosh PCs in Apple's booth, removal of any mention of ATI products from his keynote address on Wednesday and the cancellation of a keynote demonstration of the new Radeon graphics chip.
But do check out the article. it's a good example of how serious jobs is about it and what the consequences can be if a company thinks they need to upstage him...
I hear that same argument in Canada all the time, 'big country, blablabla' but here, as well as in the states to a certain degree, most of the population IS concentrated in the big cities and even there we are far behind other parts of the world. the providers have not done much to keep their infrastructure updated and have instead oversold their bandwidth and raked in the money. the way Canadians get shafted on mobile internet access is legendary...
There's much more concentration in Canada than in the States.
This is all very expensive. The estimate is that it's going to cost Verison over $100 billion, and as much as $200 billion, to bring FIOS to most of the potential customer base in the US. Other major carriers will have to spend amounts that are a large fraction of that as well.
I've seen numbers that suggest it may cost $1 trillion to bring high band to all customers in the US.
the device will be made available to the carrier's customers "very soon after its June 9 unveiling" by Apple chief executive Steve Jobs at the company's annual Worldwide Developers Conference.
Everyone here is all wrapped in the need for silicon to support the newer data rates but that may not be the limiting factor right now. The issue is that of a Software Defined Radio (SDR). While a certain amount of new electronics will be required much of the radio technology could be implemented as a SDR. This means improvements to the new iPhone 2 could come as software upgrades. So what is possible at launch and three months later could be a function of software.
Now I don't know if Apple is going this route or not, but I believe that much of the future of cell technology is going that route even for the hand held terminals. If Apple is able to implement this on a dual core chip, they might even be able to implement SMP processing for apps that are not using the radio. SMP being dependent on their ability to free up the core handling SDR chores when not on line. The possibilities are really interesting and the only thing that strikes me as an issue is that I thought hardware to produce such things was coming in 2009 not this year. However they (Apple) may of had PA Semi working on the required hardware. The other possibility is an early release from Qualcomm.
In any event we only have a few days until this is all fleshed out. Exciting isn't it.
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if youre standing directly under the cell tower and no one else is using it
Not really. Speeds are expected to eventually go to well above 100 Mps. to 400 Mps from what some in the industry are saying. Actual speeds will be lower, but that's still quite a bump.
I remember when I was networking with LocalTalk (still have all the cables and such in a draw) at 256 Kbs, and thought it was like lightning. That was as fast as the HDDs of the day.
...or do you think there is another hardware iphone v3 that would be needed?
I'd wager that a new chip (which isn't even on the market yet) will be required for 14.4Mb/s, much less 42Mb/s. No software update is going to enable this.
Or does anyone think that Apple has created there own 3G chip and the S-GOLD3H code was a jsut a red herring?
Executives are taking advantage of the iPhone hype now while they can if you ask me.
Steve's going to have that Telstra exec's head on a pike by the end of the day.
... and will have the whole launch scrapped for Australia.
yes... just ask ATI!
yes... just ask ATI!
I don't think I know that story. Please elaborate.
I see nothng about this story that can be substantiated.
Yes, however, consider:
1. Did the guy lie or did the journalist lie?
2. Didn't apple just purchase PA (i think) semiconductor, a firm that has specialized in military computing hardware since its inception?
3. how do you figure?
It's a consequence of being a big country with an extensive existing infrastructure. Many countries concentrate their population densities in relative few areas. Telecoms don't have to divide their infrastructure investments across many geographies. In addition, some countries have either no infrastructure or minimal infrastructure and thus a much sharper need for new build-out.
I hear that same argument in Canada all the time, 'big country, blablabla' but here, as well as in the states to a certain degree, most of the population IS concentrated in the big cities and even there we are far behind other parts of the world. the providers have not done much to keep their infrastructure updated and have instead oversold their bandwidth and raked in the money. the way Canadians get shafted on mobile internet access is legendary...
Yes, however, consider:
1. Did the guy lie or did the journalist lie?
well, remember Intel comments few days ago?!
We will probably read something like this tomorrow:
"No Telecom exec has said anything about any future Apple product" Telecom spokesperson said.
Those people love attention and news sites love the extra traffic.
I don't think I know that story. Please elaborate.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/emergingtech...2080337,00.htm
a choice paragraph from it:
The immediate fallout of the incident: Jobs ordered all Radeon boards be pulled from Macintosh PCs in Apple's booth, removal of any mention of ATI products from his keynote address on Wednesday and the cancellation of a keynote demonstration of the new Radeon graphics chip.
But do check out the article. it's a good example of how serious jobs is about it and what the consequences can be if a company thinks they need to upstage him...
Thank you, I knew I forget something in my previous post.
5) 3GPP Release 7 not finished.
Yup. It'd be a miracle for a hardware manufacturer to roll out Release 7 hardware during the final stages of the spec being agreed although Qualcomm at least were claiming silicon that implements it back end of last year. It's not 42Mbps or even 14.4Mbps but they're somehow claiming Release 7...
http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releas...ngle_Chip.html
I doubt they'd change from Infineon's chips but perhaps there's something up their sleeve for 3G and they've got killer silicon just waiting for a firmware upgrade to reach the spec when finalised.
edit: I'm not sure the spec isn't final already. Wikipedia says 'In progress Q2 2008'. 3gpp.org lists release 7 as being Oct 2007 and 7.1 in December. But still, silicon that implements the full spec seems unlikely.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/emergingtech...2080337,00.htm
a choice paragraph from it:
The immediate fallout of the incident: Jobs ordered all Radeon boards be pulled from Macintosh PCs in Apple's booth, removal of any mention of ATI products from his keynote address on Wednesday and the cancellation of a keynote demonstration of the new Radeon graphics chip.
But do check out the article. it's a good example of how serious jobs is about it and what the consequences can be if a company thinks they need to upstage him...
I always liked stories with a happy ending.
I hear that same argument in Canada all the time, 'big country, blablabla' but here, as well as in the states to a certain degree, most of the population IS concentrated in the big cities and even there we are far behind other parts of the world. the providers have not done much to keep their infrastructure updated and have instead oversold their bandwidth and raked in the money. the way Canadians get shafted on mobile internet access is legendary...
There's much more concentration in Canada than in the States.
This is all very expensive. The estimate is that it's going to cost Verison over $100 billion, and as much as $200 billion, to bring FIOS to most of the potential customer base in the US. Other major carriers will have to spend amounts that are a large fraction of that as well.
I've seen numbers that suggest it may cost $1 trillion to bring high band to all customers in the US.
the device will be made available to the carrier's customers "very soon after its June 9 unveiling" by Apple chief executive Steve Jobs at the company's annual Worldwide Developers Conference.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Not any more they won't! Move to the end of the line. You'll get your iPhones after everyone who didn't blab about it before it was released.
Now I don't know if Apple is going this route or not, but I believe that much of the future of cell technology is going that route even for the hand held terminals. If Apple is able to implement this on a dual core chip, they might even be able to implement SMP processing for apps that are not using the radio. SMP being dependent on their ability to free up the core handling SDR chores when not on line. The possibilities are really interesting and the only thing that strikes me as an issue is that I thought hardware to produce such things was coming in 2009 not this year. However they (Apple) may of had PA Semi working on the required hardware. The other possibility is an early release from Qualcomm.
In any event we only have a few days until this is all fleshed out. Exciting isn't it.
Dave
Very cool. I suppose something like this may have been inevitable, given the push toward digitization of all media and communications.