Boy, you people from those tiny suck-up countries have no sense of history, do you?
While there are some "small picture" comments being made by a few people, there's no need to generalise in your reply.
I'll say that the US military machine has in part defined the world we live in today, and I like that world to a large degree. That doesn't mean I agree with the Iraq situation (as many don't, in many countries. Including you personally).
Anyway, back to the topic eh?
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Originally Posted by ascii
42Mbit doesn't sound realistic to me. My home DSL is only 11Mbit. And how much CPU power would be needed for a connection like that? Would the iPhone GUI stutter and freeze while the network was active? Good if true though.
Telstra has an odd form of disconnection between what they do and what they say. In this case, they want to show they have the best network (which they do, infact, have) and speed is the big conversation here at the moment - so they make grand promises of speed. Right now they can do 14Mbps, but no phone can do more than 7Mbps. And most (all?) independent tests haven't shown any greater than 1Mbps sustained.
That's not to say the speeds won't increase, or that they're lying (they're not - they are moving towards 42Mbps peak speed. But realistically the speed will be far less.
While there are some "small picture" comments being made by a few people, there's no need to generalise in your reply.
I'll say that the US military machine has in part defined the world we live in today, and I like that world to a large degree. That doesn't mean I agree with the Iraq situation (as many don't, in many countries. Including you personally).
Anyway, back to the topic eh?
These people, and where they come from define what they are to a certain extent. They know who I mean. I'm not generalizing past that.
Boy, you people from those tiny suck-up countries have no sense of history, do you?
It sounds like a general insult, which thus includes me.
However - I do know from your past comments that that's not your style - so I accept that you weren't meaning to insult others more generally.
edit. Heat of the moment also plays a part. Lets accept that capitalism is sometimes odd, all countries make mistakes, and not attack each others' countries.
Hey to fill in some gaps for people not from Australia -
The government is currently requesting proposals from Telcos (of which Telstra is our largest) for a National Broadband Network reaching 98% of the population with speeds of at least 12Mbps. They're fairly open to how that is achieved, asking for Telcos to put forward how they would like to do it, and the winner gets an A$4.7billion (US$4.4billion) injection (in some way).
You can bet that Telstra is thinking about how to best meet the 98% of population without having to spend as much on the hard to reach rural areas (a question they SHOULD be asking, of course). They haven't said wireless will be part of their solution because 3 months ago they were attacking a competitor who was to be providing rural wireless saying that wireless was an immature technology and could not provide the throughput promised (the government dropped their A$1billion injection). In the next breath, however, they keep talking up their own wireless speed & stability - and every time they announce amazing new 3G ("NextG") speeds some people say "why do we need to be wired when wireless is just as fast!?".
So this is a political game - if Telstra keep publicising 42Mbps then every time the next biggest competitor (Optus/SingTel) talks about their 14Mbps 3G network Telstra looks great, and when it comes time to present their National Broadband proposal they'll throw in wireless to cover the last few percents (after all, they already say their mobile network covers 98% of the population). In fact, if NextG covers 98% of the population at a genuine 42Mbps then there's no need for a wired network at all!!
Take all Telstra's talk with a big grain of salt. They do have a good network, they are pushing the technology of that network forward more than many places in the world, but they'll say anything to get good attention.
Telstra customer service would be the worst anywhere and I have been on the receiving end before dumping them several years ago.
The speeds they claim they can reach or do are the hugest load of BS I have ever read.
There nextG network is the worst going as it has more dropouts than can be believed and doesn't cover near as much as they say.
Over the national broadband network they are trying to get it for themselves so they can charge the competitosrs huge fees to use it and this has always been there under handed game.
On another note - I found it very odd that when Telstra's whitepages & yellowpages division were seeking an iPhone designer, it was taken as evidence that Telstra would sell the iPhone - instead of a simple comment that our predominant phone directory would be made to work on the iPhone.
Boy, you people from those tiny suck-up countries have no sense of history, do you?
We don't have to agree with this administration, just as you don't have to agree with yours
I'd love to have you survive on your own. You're about the last bastion of European Imperial colonialism left around that part of the world. If you think they love you there. Think again!
I'm curious as to how long you would last on your own without us standing around with a big stick.
Gee Mel, you really got out on the wrong side of the bed today didn't you.
I usually don't mind your sometimes antagonistic remarks as they are founded in a clear understanding of the tech and a desire to share that with others.
These last two statements just seem like another know-it-all with a chip on there shoulder.
I do not mean to attack you but do you really believe these last few replies, as a 6th generation Australian I am mildly riled by the these statements which imply that we cannot stand on our own two feet nor do we even have anything to stand for.
It sounds like a general insult, which thus includes me.
However - I do know from your past comments that that's not your style - so I accept that you weren't meaning to insult others more generally.
edit. Heat of the moment also plays a part. Lets accept that capitalism is sometimes odd, all countries make mistakes, and not attack each others' countries.
It was meant for the two posters, who for no reason whatsoever, decided to make those gratuitous insults about the US. While I like other countries, and the people in them, and can stand criticism, they went beyond an excusable limit.
It seems that people from other countries often get insulted when someone makes a humorous comment not intended as an insult, but friendly banter, but it's ok to intentionally insult us. I don't agree with that proposition.
Gee Mel, you really got out on the wrong side of the bed today didn't you.
I usually don't mind your sometimes antagonistic remarks as they are founded in a clear understanding of the tech and a desire to share that with others.
These last two statements just seem like another know-it-all with a chip on there shoulder.
I do not mean to attack you but do you really believe these last few replies, as a 6th generation Australian I am mildly riled by the these statements which imply that we cannot stand on our own two feet nor do we even have anything to stand for.
Scott
As I replied in my post to Greg, just above, I was responding to two antagonistic posters. Posters who had no reason to say what they did. They are the ones with the chips on their shoulders, not me.
I almost never begin a series of antagonistic posts myself, but respond to others doing so. I sometimes get tagged that way, because I'm not shy about responding.
But, I do think that those two others should have been responded to by others, such as yourself and Greg. Very possibly, if someone else had done so, even in a less definitive manner, I wouldn't have felt it neccessary to do so.
I just find it amazing that some peope from other countries seem to feel superior because they don't have to do what we have to do.
And that's not to say we don't make mistakes, or have an administration that is, let us say, less than competent, as we do now.
But all countries have them, it's just that small countries don't have to do what large ones have to do, so they can feel good about themselves.
The US does what it can to keep things working smoothly, but sometimes we make mistakes in the name of the overall good, and sometimes, just like everywhere else, we get an idiot for a leader.
But, the gratuitous comments are still uncalled for.
The last few American Presidents have stated that the "USA has no better friend than Australia".
So, if you are from Iran or North Korea visiting this thread may not be a smart move today.
Sad thing is Telstra has best network but worst service and plans. Vodafone and Optus have good plans but are useless in the sticks. Data plans will be very interesting.
Just don't vote for McCain, and possibly we will get a more coherent policy.
Not even election time and we have people here making stupid statements that have no basis in reality. Frankly I haven't heard anything coming close to coherent policy statements from either Obama or Clinton. That doesn't imply support of McCain either, but just highlights the lack of any sort of policy platform from the democratic candidates.
In any event broadband is hardly a problem relative to things like the cell phone industry or the attacks on our long standing freedoms from both parties. The unwillingness of either party to embrace what has made America great is the most upsetting issue of this election race. Frankly I can't really say who you should vote for, just that the Democrats have not demonstrated any sort of inspired behavior with respect to keeping America both safe and free. I can easily say that due to the current make up of congress.
Now what does this have to do with a thread on BS about 42Mbps HSPA? Well let me tell you the number one issue with Washington right now is that the congress, both democrat and republican, is just to damn old to really care about such technology. If you want change in Washington look more at the age of the candidates than the political party. Look to the person that understands the Constitution as well as you do, understands technology as well as you do, understands the damage that recent copyright laws have had on you and the community and finally understands the need of the individual to defend himself.
Now what does this have to do with a thread on BS about 42Mbps HSPA? Well let me tell you the number one issue with Washington right now is that the congress, both democrat and republican, is just to damn old to really care about such technology. If you want change in Washington look more at the age of the candidates than the political party. Look to the person that understands the Constitution as well as you do, understands technology as well as you do, understands the damage that recent copyright laws have had on you and the community and finally understands the need of the individual to defend himself.
Dave
Dave,
You just completely validated the post you were ctiticizing. Who do you think is younger, Obama or McCain.
? Who has been able to use technology to an extent never seen before in national politics?
I don't think that is the only criteria (or even the main one) to judge a candidate, but it certainly puts your post into perspective...
I see nothng about this story that can be substantiated.
We do have evidence that that the chip is most likely the S-GOLD3H which has a max download of 7.2Mb/s.
I don't think there is even one cell phone that has a 14.4Mb.s chip in it (will research this more)
I'm certain there are no commercailly available chips that can handle 42Mb/s
The iPhone's processor, RAM and Flash couldn't handle those DL speeds
Yeah I think the guy at Telstra has gotten his facts a bit wrong. Max HSDPA speed is currently 14.4Mb/s. I have never heard of 42Mb/s transfer speeds and as well as the comments above, the backhaul transmission capability of most basestations couldn't cope with it. Thats 21 e1's.
Not even election time and we have people here making stupid statements that have no basis in reality. Frankly I haven't heard anything coming close to coherent policy statements from either Obama or Clinton. That doesn't imply support of McCain either, but just highlights the lack of any sort of policy platform from the democratic candidates.
In any event broadband is hardly a problem relative to things like the cell phone industry or the attacks on our long standing freedoms from both parties. The unwillingness of either party to embrace what has made America great is the most upsetting issue of this election race. Frankly I can't really say who you should vote for, just that the Democrats have not demonstrated any sort of inspired behavior with respect to keeping America both safe and free. I can easily say that due to the current make up of congress.
Now what does this have to do with a thread on BS about 42Mbps HSPA? Well let me tell you the number one issue with Washington right now is that the congress, both democrat and republican, is just to damn old to really care about such technology. If you want change in Washington look more at the age of the candidates than the political party. Look to the person that understands the Constitution as well as you do, understands technology as well as you do, understands the damage that recent copyright laws have had on you and the community and finally understands the need of the individual to defend himself.
Dave
Let's see. McCain is a conservative. McCain wants to continue the tax cuts Bush introduced. McCain want to continue the war in Iraq.
Do you really think he's going to find the money for this? Do you think he cares? I don't. And I don't think many others do either.
Both Clinton and Obama have expressed interest in technology. Both have had extensive internet campaigns. McCain has been a late catchup there.
Telstra customer service would be the worst anywhere and I have been on the receiving end before dumping them several years ago.
The speeds they claim they can reach or do are the hugest load of BS I have ever read.
There nextG network is the worst going as it has more dropouts than can be believed and doesn't cover near as much as they say.
Over the national broadband network they are trying to get it for themselves so they can charge the competitosrs huge fees to use it and this has always been there under handed game.
That is total bullshit mate - I was an engineer on the NextG rollout and can quite safely say that NextG kicks ass over anything else thats out there right now. The dropped call rate is under 1% which is basically unheard of.
Get your fucking facts correct before you start spouting shit.
If it weren't for those arms, you would either be part of Japan, with an all Japanese population, or China would be next door.
It's only because of us that you can do that.
Don't be so naive and hateful!
Are you still on the WWII kick? That was 60 years ago. I was referring to the current expense, where the US spends 50% of the worldwide expenditure on "defense". And the cost of the misbegotten "war on terror" that does not make me feel safer at all.
If you think this is naive and hateful so be it. I advise you to take a second look at the propaganda you take to be truth.
Hey, Atleast you can go and buy the phone come june 2008, here in sweden there is NO confirmed release date, we might have one of the most developed IT infrastructures in the world, but for some strange reason we're not getting any news about the iphone.
Comments
Another brilliant statement.
Boy, you people from those tiny suck-up countries have no sense of history, do you?
While there are some "small picture" comments being made by a few people, there's no need to generalise in your reply.
I'll say that the US military machine has in part defined the world we live in today, and I like that world to a large degree. That doesn't mean I agree with the Iraq situation (as many don't, in many countries. Including you personally).
Anyway, back to the topic eh?
42Mbit doesn't sound realistic to me. My home DSL is only 11Mbit. And how much CPU power would be needed for a connection like that? Would the iPhone GUI stutter and freeze while the network was active? Good if true though.
Telstra has an odd form of disconnection between what they do and what they say. In this case, they want to show they have the best network (which they do, infact, have) and speed is the big conversation here at the moment - so they make grand promises of speed. Right now they can do 14Mbps, but no phone can do more than 7Mbps. And most (all?) independent tests haven't shown any greater than 1Mbps sustained.
That's not to say the speeds won't increase, or that they're lying (they're not - they are moving towards 42Mbps peak speed. But realistically the speed will be far less.
While there are some "small picture" comments being made by a few people, there's no need to generalise in your reply.
I'll say that the US military machine has in part defined the world we live in today, and I like that world to a large degree. That doesn't mean I agree with the Iraq situation (as many don't, in many countries. Including you personally).
Anyway, back to the topic eh?
These people, and where they come from define what they are to a certain extent. They know who I mean. I'm not generalizing past that.
Another brilliant statement.
Boy, you people from those tiny suck-up countries have no sense of history, do you?
It sounds like a general insult, which thus includes me.
However - I do know from your past comments that that's not your style - so I accept that you weren't meaning to insult others more generally.
edit. Heat of the moment also plays a part. Lets accept that capitalism is sometimes odd, all countries make mistakes, and not attack each others' countries.
The government is currently requesting proposals from Telcos (of which Telstra is our largest) for a National Broadband Network reaching 98% of the population with speeds of at least 12Mbps. They're fairly open to how that is achieved, asking for Telcos to put forward how they would like to do it, and the winner gets an A$4.7billion (US$4.4billion) injection (in some way).
You can bet that Telstra is thinking about how to best meet the 98% of population without having to spend as much on the hard to reach rural areas (a question they SHOULD be asking, of course). They haven't said wireless will be part of their solution because 3 months ago they were attacking a competitor who was to be providing rural wireless saying that wireless was an immature technology and could not provide the throughput promised (the government dropped their A$1billion injection). In the next breath, however, they keep talking up their own wireless speed & stability - and every time they announce amazing new 3G ("NextG") speeds some people say "why do we need to be wired when wireless is just as fast!?".
So this is a political game - if Telstra keep publicising 42Mbps then every time the next biggest competitor (Optus/SingTel) talks about their 14Mbps 3G network Telstra looks great, and when it comes time to present their National Broadband proposal they'll throw in wireless to cover the last few percents (after all, they already say their mobile network covers 98% of the population). In fact, if NextG covers 98% of the population at a genuine 42Mbps then there's no need for a wired network at all!!
Take all Telstra's talk with a big grain of salt. They do have a good network, they are pushing the technology of that network forward more than many places in the world, but they'll say anything to get good attention.
The speeds they claim they can reach or do are the hugest load of BS I have ever read.
There nextG network is the worst going as it has more dropouts than can be believed and doesn't cover near as much as they say.
Over the national broadband network they are trying to get it for themselves so they can charge the competitosrs huge fees to use it and this has always been there under handed game.
Another brilliant statement.
Boy, you people from those tiny suck-up countries have no sense of history, do you?
We don't have to agree with this administration, just as you don't have to agree with yours
I'd love to have you survive on your own. You're about the last bastion of European Imperial colonialism left around that part of the world. If you think they love you there. Think again!
I'm curious as to how long you would last on your own without us standing around with a big stick.
Gee Mel, you really got out on the wrong side of the bed today didn't you.
I usually don't mind your sometimes antagonistic remarks as they are founded in a clear understanding of the tech and a desire to share that with others.
These last two statements just seem like another know-it-all with a chip on there shoulder.
I do not mean to attack you but do you really believe these last few replies, as a 6th generation Australian I am mildly riled by the these statements which imply that we cannot stand on our own two feet nor do we even have anything to stand for.
Scott
It sounds like a general insult, which thus includes me.
However - I do know from your past comments that that's not your style - so I accept that you weren't meaning to insult others more generally.
edit. Heat of the moment also plays a part. Lets accept that capitalism is sometimes odd, all countries make mistakes, and not attack each others' countries.
It was meant for the two posters, who for no reason whatsoever, decided to make those gratuitous insults about the US. While I like other countries, and the people in them, and can stand criticism, they went beyond an excusable limit.
It seems that people from other countries often get insulted when someone makes a humorous comment not intended as an insult, but friendly banter, but it's ok to intentionally insult us. I don't agree with that proposition.
Gee Mel, you really got out on the wrong side of the bed today didn't you.
I usually don't mind your sometimes antagonistic remarks as they are founded in a clear understanding of the tech and a desire to share that with others.
These last two statements just seem like another know-it-all with a chip on there shoulder.
I do not mean to attack you but do you really believe these last few replies, as a 6th generation Australian I am mildly riled by the these statements which imply that we cannot stand on our own two feet nor do we even have anything to stand for.
Scott
As I replied in my post to Greg, just above, I was responding to two antagonistic posters. Posters who had no reason to say what they did. They are the ones with the chips on their shoulders, not me.
I almost never begin a series of antagonistic posts myself, but respond to others doing so. I sometimes get tagged that way, because I'm not shy about responding.
But, I do think that those two others should have been responded to by others, such as yourself and Greg. Very possibly, if someone else had done so, even in a less definitive manner, I wouldn't have felt it neccessary to do so.
I just find it amazing that some peope from other countries seem to feel superior because they don't have to do what we have to do.
And that's not to say we don't make mistakes, or have an administration that is, let us say, less than competent, as we do now.
But all countries have them, it's just that small countries don't have to do what large ones have to do, so they can feel good about themselves.
The US does what it can to keep things working smoothly, but sometimes we make mistakes in the name of the overall good, and sometimes, just like everywhere else, we get an idiot for a leader.
But, the gratuitous comments are still uncalled for.
So, if you are from Iran or North Korea visiting this thread may not be a smart move today.
Sad thing is Telstra has best network but worst service and plans. Vodafone and Optus have good plans but are useless in the sticks. Data plans will be very interesting.
That's an idiotic statement, and you know it.
If it weren't for those arms, you would either be part of Japan, with an all Japanese population, or China would be next door.
It's only because of us that you can do that.
Don't be so naive and hateful!
Not bothering...
Not bothering...
Good!
Just don't vote for McCain, and possibly we will get a more coherent policy.
Not even election time and we have people here making stupid statements that have no basis in reality. Frankly I haven't heard anything coming close to coherent policy statements from either Obama or Clinton. That doesn't imply support of McCain either, but just highlights the lack of any sort of policy platform from the democratic candidates.
In any event broadband is hardly a problem relative to things like the cell phone industry or the attacks on our long standing freedoms from both parties. The unwillingness of either party to embrace what has made America great is the most upsetting issue of this election race. Frankly I can't really say who you should vote for, just that the Democrats have not demonstrated any sort of inspired behavior with respect to keeping America both safe and free. I can easily say that due to the current make up of congress.
Now what does this have to do with a thread on BS about 42Mbps HSPA? Well let me tell you the number one issue with Washington right now is that the congress, both democrat and republican, is just to damn old to really care about such technology. If you want change in Washington look more at the age of the candidates than the political party. Look to the person that understands the Constitution as well as you do, understands technology as well as you do, understands the damage that recent copyright laws have had on you and the community and finally understands the need of the individual to defend himself.
Dave
Now what does this have to do with a thread on BS about 42Mbps HSPA? Well let me tell you the number one issue with Washington right now is that the congress, both democrat and republican, is just to damn old to really care about such technology. If you want change in Washington look more at the age of the candidates than the political party. Look to the person that understands the Constitution as well as you do, understands technology as well as you do, understands the damage that recent copyright laws have had on you and the community and finally understands the need of the individual to defend himself.
Dave
Dave,
You just completely validated the post you were ctiticizing. Who do you think is younger, Obama or McCain.
? Who has been able to use technology to an extent never seen before in national politics?
I don't think that is the only criteria (or even the main one) to judge a candidate, but it certainly puts your post into perspective...
I see nothng about this story that can be substantiated.
Yeah I think the guy at Telstra has gotten his facts a bit wrong. Max HSDPA speed is currently 14.4Mb/s. I have never heard of 42Mb/s transfer speeds and as well as the comments above, the backhaul transmission capability of most basestations couldn't cope with it. Thats 21 e1's.
Not even election time and we have people here making stupid statements that have no basis in reality. Frankly I haven't heard anything coming close to coherent policy statements from either Obama or Clinton. That doesn't imply support of McCain either, but just highlights the lack of any sort of policy platform from the democratic candidates.
In any event broadband is hardly a problem relative to things like the cell phone industry or the attacks on our long standing freedoms from both parties. The unwillingness of either party to embrace what has made America great is the most upsetting issue of this election race. Frankly I can't really say who you should vote for, just that the Democrats have not demonstrated any sort of inspired behavior with respect to keeping America both safe and free. I can easily say that due to the current make up of congress.
Now what does this have to do with a thread on BS about 42Mbps HSPA? Well let me tell you the number one issue with Washington right now is that the congress, both democrat and republican, is just to damn old to really care about such technology. If you want change in Washington look more at the age of the candidates than the political party. Look to the person that understands the Constitution as well as you do, understands technology as well as you do, understands the damage that recent copyright laws have had on you and the community and finally understands the need of the individual to defend himself.
Dave
Let's see. McCain is a conservative. McCain wants to continue the tax cuts Bush introduced. McCain want to continue the war in Iraq.
Do you really think he's going to find the money for this? Do you think he cares? I don't. And I don't think many others do either.
Both Clinton and Obama have expressed interest in technology. Both have had extensive internet campaigns. McCain has been a late catchup there.
Telstra customer service would be the worst anywhere and I have been on the receiving end before dumping them several years ago.
The speeds they claim they can reach or do are the hugest load of BS I have ever read.
There nextG network is the worst going as it has more dropouts than can be believed and doesn't cover near as much as they say.
Over the national broadband network they are trying to get it for themselves so they can charge the competitosrs huge fees to use it and this has always been there under handed game.
That is total bullshit mate - I was an engineer on the NextG rollout and can quite safely say that NextG kicks ass over anything else thats out there right now. The dropped call rate is under 1% which is basically unheard of.
Get your fucking facts correct before you start spouting shit.
That's an idiotic statement, and you know it.
If it weren't for those arms, you would either be part of Japan, with an all Japanese population, or China would be next door.
It's only because of us that you can do that.
Don't be so naive and hateful!
Are you still on the WWII kick? That was 60 years ago. I was referring to the current expense, where the US spends 50% of the worldwide expenditure on "defense". And the cost of the misbegotten "war on terror" that does not make me feel safer at all.
If you think this is naive and hateful so be it. I advise you to take a second look at the propaganda you take to be truth.