Anyone who thinks they will be seeing a G5 PowerMac at MacWorld/NY is going to be sorely disappointed. Ironic that they are creating their own expectations, which will then be dashed.
<strong>Anyone who thinks they will be seeing a G5 PowerMac at MacWorld/NY is going to be sorely disappointed. Ironic that they are creating their own expectations, which will then be dashed.
Ah well...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. I think we all saw a lot of people saying "I will eat dog s**t for a week if we don't see G5 1.2 1.4 1.6 at MWSF." Where are they all now telling us how doggy poo tastes? I'll tell you where, they are guessing about what will debut at MWNY and betting on that too.
<strong>Anyone who thinks they will be seeing a G5 PowerMac at MacWorld/NY is going to be sorely disappointed. Ironic that they are creating their own expectations, which will then be dashed.
Ah well...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Welcome to AI moki. That is our trademark . BUT We have formed a league against the insanity before MW´s, Sane Elite. I would be proud to have you as an honoral member.
By the way: Any meat on the rumours about Apple including Snapz Pro in all pro models?
People were expecting the G5s before the last macworld, let alone this current one, ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
???? Who the expected a G5 before the last MacWorld? I expected a G5 to come out during the summer of 2002, at the very earliest, and more likekly in Jan 2003. It wasn't until those goofy letters started showing up in The Register that I heard anyone even mention G5's would be ready for Jan 2002.
On the other hand, I fully expected Apollo equipped G4's to be released by this week.
[edit: changed 2003 to 2002. Damned year change screws me up until Feb]
[quote] Have you missed the trend over the last 20 years of how newer processors have ALWAYS required less power than their predecessor? Just curious. <hr></blockquote>
That's news to me. The Pentium 4 uses more power than the Pentium 3. The G4 uses more power than the G3.
I respect Moki's insight and opinion, but he is only a developer, and not a very big one. Powermac G5s could be ready to go and Moki could be kept out of the loop, to his dismay.
If the president of Adobe told me no G5s, I'd believe him, but Moki, you''re dashing my hopes!
And I'll say it again, if there are no G5s by MWNY, then I'll suck my own dick! I'm working on flexibility now, doing daily stretches...after all there are plenty of naysayersm, so I've got to be prepared for the worst. Sorry, I've got no digital camera, so you'll all have to take my word for it. Anyways, I don't think Apple would like it if I posted pics of me sucking my owm member at my iTools site.
With the P4 breaking 2 GHz, don't you guys think Steve Jobs would be sh!ting bricks if all they had was some lame-ass Apollo chip that would barely break 1 GHz? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure he is. Unfortunately, if the technology isn't ready he can shit enough bricks to build a castle for all the good it will do. Shouting isn't going to make months of work happen in a few weeks.
I have to side with the pessimists on this on: there's no reliable evidence to suggest the G5 is anywhere near release. There is only inferences, and inferences built on some pretty shaky assumptions to boot.
No, the G5 was never planned for introduction at MacWorld/SF -- the plan always was for Apollo G4's. Indeed, the hardware was ready to go, which makes the fact that the speed-bumped towers didn't appear a marketing/management decision, not a technical one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
An alleged Apple employee posted a terse comment in another thread that Apple was faced with a decision to ship a new PowerMac now or a PowerMac a couple of months later with a significant (not otherwordly, but significant - 30%, say, to pick a number out of the air) speed boost to the CPU. They apparently chose the latter route.
[quote]<strong>There are two mobo's in the wings -- one is SDRAM, the other is DDR. The SDRAM mobo's were ready to go, with nicely speed bumped Apolly G4 processors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those had to be an emergency fallback. SDRAM again?
Have you missed the trend over the last 20 years of how newer processors have ALWAYS required less power than their predecessor? Just curious.
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That is completely false. Virtually every design that comes out is more complex than the preceeding design, and it arrives initially on the same process as the previous design or on the previous generation process. The reason for this is that it takes time to get a new design working, and it is easier to do on a process that is known, understood, and stable. Once the design is proven it migrates to a smaller process.
Look at the WIntel monsters cooking away at 40+ Watts.
i'm going with Cobra by saying moto will not say anything about the G5 until apple releases it. no one will ever make the mistake of releasing info about future macs (ATI) but i'm saying one more powermac update before G5's.
Moto has done this with the G4 before i can't remember when but apple updated the G4 with faster speeds and then moto released info about it the same day after the release of the powermacs
<strong>I must have missed it-Where did Steve say "We should have had the good stuff ready?"
Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>
Supposedly, that quote was overheard (preceded by something to the effect of "Man, that really sucked.") by people close to the front as Jobs left the stage at MWNY01. He was dying on stage trying to make trivial improvements sound great - and he knew no one was buying it. I saw part of it on webcast, and he did seem visibly upset by the end of it. As to whether or not he actually said it, who knows.
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Ah well...
<strong>Anyone who thinks they will be seeing a G5 PowerMac at MacWorld/NY is going to be sorely disappointed. Ironic that they are creating their own expectations, which will then be dashed.
Ah well...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. I think we all saw a lot of people saying "I will eat dog s**t for a week if we don't see G5 1.2 1.4 1.6 at MWSF." Where are they all now telling us how doggy poo tastes? I'll tell you where, they are guessing about what will debut at MWNY and betting on that too.
<strong>Anyone who thinks they will be seeing a G5 PowerMac at MacWorld/NY is going to be sorely disappointed. Ironic that they are creating their own expectations, which will then be dashed.
Ah well...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Welcome to AI moki. That is our trademark
By the way: Any meat on the rumours about Apple including Snapz Pro in all pro models?
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Apollos, of course.
muah wrote:
"Have you missed the trend over the last 20 years of how newer processors have ALWAYS required less power than their predecessor? Just curious."
Oh, thanks. that explains why the heat sink on my dual 800 is about four times as big as the one in my older tower.
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<strong>Hear me out...
People were expecting the G5s before the last macworld, let alone this current one, ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
???? Who the expected a G5 before the last MacWorld? I expected a G5 to come out during the summer of 2002, at the very earliest, and more likekly in Jan 2003. It wasn't until those goofy letters started showing up in The Register that I heard anyone even mention G5's would be ready for Jan 2002.
On the other hand, I fully expected Apollo equipped G4's to be released by this week.
[edit: changed 2003 to 2002. Damned year change screws me up until Feb]
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<strong>August 15 1998 to August 30, 1999
the imac was either equal or a tad bit slower than the lowend model. on its debut it was 233Mhz and so was the lowend PowerMac
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The low end PowerMac also had twice as much L2 cache. Hmmm...kinda like the current iMac's (no L3) vs. the 800+ towers (2 megs of L3).
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That's news to me. The Pentium 4 uses more power than the Pentium 3. The G4 uses more power than the G3.
I respect Moki's insight and opinion, but he is only a developer, and not a very big one. Powermac G5s could be ready to go and Moki could be kept out of the loop, to his dismay.
If the president of Adobe told me no G5s, I'd believe him, but Moki, you''re dashing my hopes!
And I'll say it again, if there are no G5s by MWNY, then I'll suck my own dick! I'm working on flexibility now, doing daily stretches...after all there are plenty of naysayersm, so I've got to be prepared for the worst. Sorry, I've got no digital camera, so you'll all have to take my word for it. Anyways, I don't think Apple would like it if I posted pics of me sucking my owm member at my iTools site.
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With the P4 breaking 2 GHz, don't you guys think Steve Jobs would be sh!ting bricks if all they had was some lame-ass Apollo chip that would barely break 1 GHz? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure he is. Unfortunately, if the technology isn't ready he can shit enough bricks to build a castle for all the good it will do. Shouting isn't going to make months of work happen in a few weeks.
I have to side with the pessimists on this on: there's no reliable evidence to suggest the G5 is anywhere near release. There is only inferences, and inferences built on some pretty shaky assumptions to boot.
Anyways, I don't think Apple would like it if I posted pics of me sucking my owm member at my <strong>iTools</strong> site.<hr></blockquote>
No, I won't say anything ...
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No, the G5 was never planned for introduction at MacWorld/SF -- the plan always was for Apollo G4's. Indeed, the hardware was ready to go, which makes the fact that the speed-bumped towers didn't appear a marketing/management decision, not a technical one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
An alleged Apple employee posted a terse comment in another thread that Apple was faced with a decision to ship a new PowerMac now or a PowerMac a couple of months later with a significant (not otherwordly, but significant - 30%, say, to pick a number out of the air) speed boost to the CPU. They apparently chose the latter route.
[quote]<strong>There are two mobo's in the wings -- one is SDRAM, the other is DDR. The SDRAM mobo's were ready to go, with nicely speed bumped Apolly G4 processors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those had to be an emergency fallback. SDRAM again?
Any announcement of the desktop G5 chip automatically pre-announces a G5 product from Apple.
Its not hard to figure out.
Steve will wow us by Tokyo, if not before.
Be patient, my friends.
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Have you missed the trend over the last 20 years of how newer processors have ALWAYS required less power than their predecessor? Just curious.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is completely false. Virtually every design that comes out is more complex than the preceeding design, and it arrives initially on the same process as the previous design or on the previous generation process. The reason for this is that it takes time to get a new design working, and it is easier to do on a process that is known, understood, and stable. Once the design is proven it migrates to a smaller process.
Look at the WIntel monsters cooking away at 40+ Watts.
The quote I've seen a couple places is that the new iMac is the "Best thing we've ever done"
Jeff
Moto has done this with the G4 before i can't remember when but apple updated the G4 with faster speeds and then moto released info about it the same day after the release of the powermacs
<strong>I must have missed it-Where did Steve say "We should have had the good stuff ready?"
Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>
Supposedly, that quote was overheard (preceded by something to the effect of "Man, that really sucked.") by people close to the front as Jobs left the stage at MWNY01. He was dying on stage trying to make trivial improvements sound great - and he knew no one was buying it. I saw part of it on webcast, and he did seem visibly upset by the end of it. As to whether or not he actually said it, who knows.
He even cracked a subtle joke about the Time leak.
I suspect some G5 hopers projected their own feelings on to SJ.
Jeff
<strong>Really? I watched the Keynote on TV and that's 180 degrees from the vibe I got.
He even cracked a subtle joke about the Time leak.
I suspect some G5 hopers projected their own feelings on to SJ.
Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>
This was MacWorld NY '01, last summer, not the current MWSF02.
I'm still writing 01 on my checks...
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Jeff
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And not reading post well enough anyway.
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