You claimed a 30" Apple monitor would fix that, ignoring the considerable expense and that Apple quite clearly says it requires a dual graphics card to run (no "hint, hint" about it), none of which exist or can be installed in either the MBP nor the iMac. Your claims to the contrary I find extremely puzzling, despite your constant exaggerations and twisting of facts.
You are making a fool of yourself. iMacs are not designed as professional machines but some do use them without any problems.
If you need colour accuracy you should always try the monitor before purchase. If you fail to do so you only have yourself to blame.
Now it seems that you can not even understand what is required to drive a 30" Apple monitor. You need a dual-link DVI which is present on every MBP.
A quick look at the MBP technical specifications will have answered that but it seems that research is not a term you are familiar with.
"Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colours"
You are making a fool of yourself. iMacs are not designed as professional machines but some do use them without any problems.
If you need colour accuracy you should always try the monitor before purchase. If you fail to do so you only have yourself to blame.
Now it seems that you can not even understand what is required to drive a 30" Apple monitor. You need a dual-link DVI which is present on every MBP.
A quick look at the MBP technical specifications will have answered that but it seems that research is not a term you are familiar with.
"Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colours"
On the contrary I did my research. On both the iMac and the 30" monitors.
I have repeatedly said I had no expectation of pro color support on the iMac, nor do we have "a taste and try" option here. Again we have this vague "some" who use them "without problems", no definition of the use or lack of problems. I have no problem either. I just don't do color critical work on it.
The 30" display specs I found stated that it required a Mac Pro, and the MBP 15" specs said it was only 256Mb and supported up to 1920 x 1200 pixels. After I rang my local Apple store and they confirmed that you are indeed right, I did another search and found another web page that has confirmed what you said. The price of an ever shifting landscape.
It doesn't really change anything because the set-up still comes up to around 3x the cost of the OP's iMac 20" which is the whole point.
You can't simultaneously claim affordability and then spend your way into a "solution".
On the contrary I did my research. On both the iMac and the 30" monitors.
I have repeatedly said I had no expectation of pro color support on the iMac, nor do we have "a taste and try" option here. Again we have this vague "some" who use them "without problems", no definition of the use or lack of problems. I have no problem either. I just don't do color critical work on it.
The 30" display specs I found stated that it required a Mac Pro, and the MBP 15" specs said it was only 256Mb and supported up to 1920 x 1200 pixels. After I rang my local Apple store and they confirmed that you are indeed right, I did another search and found another web page that has confirmed what you said. The price of an ever shifting landscape.
It doesn't really change anything because the set-up still comes up to around 3x the cost of the OP's iMac 20" which is the whole point.
You can't simultaneously claim affordability and then spend your way into a "solution".
This is getting ridiculous. You say you called your local Apple store but then you say you do not have "a taste and try" option. Which is it?
Anyway if you need equipment that you will use to bring the bread to your table then it does not matter where you have to go to test it, you just do it. As I said, failing to do so means that you are the only one to blame if it does not work as you expected it. And by now you should know that professional equipment and affordability do not go hand in hand.
I do not know where you do your research because since the Powerbook G4 1.67GHz all professional Apple laptops have supported a 30" Apple display.
I called them and we don't have a taste and try option.
We don't all live in the States.
Neither do I but one thing is clear, when it comes to critical professional equipment either they let me test the equipment or I take my business somewhere else.
Neither do I but one thing is clear, when it comes to critical professional equipment either they let me test the equipment or I take my business somewhere else.
Bully for you.
All three "Apple Centres" here are owned by the same company whose service, pricing and responsiveness sucks.
All the other Mac outlets are Department stores who sell boxes.
Irregardless, the only way you can possibly test every single possible iMac is to take them all to your studio, adjust your lighting, bring in the builder to remove all your windows, "color manage" till the cows come home, buy expensive testing equipment and software, hire consultants to do the same thing for you…
…then move palettes to cover up the reflections and pretend they don't exist.
But then as I have repeatedly said, despite what you say I said, I don't expect the new iMacs to do otherwise. You have to be an A class moron to not notice the "nice, shiny screen".
Shiny reflects, except in the alternate universes occupied by denialists.
Irregardless, the only way you can possibly test every single possible iMac...
…then move palettes to cover up the reflections and pretend they don't exist.
No, you only need to look at one 20" iMac to know that it has a TN panel so that is no good for colour accuracy. Then look at one 24" iMac, see that it is a H-IPS panel and check for an even backlight. If it hasn't then you know the iMac is not for you. As simple as that.
Regarding the reflections they are exactly the same as with any CRT monitor, so nothing new and nothing that can not be taken care of.
You obviously don't pay the printing bill, nor work in pre-press.
Great when someone else picks up the bill or has to fix the problems.
You are in La La Land, since I'm retired, ALL of the bills come to ME!
You would not be ready for my prints, you're too controlled by some paradigm to appreciate them. It's not about expensive prints, it's about good quality prints, and good quality images. Carry on!
You are in La La Land, since I'm retired, ALL of the bills come to ME!
You would not be ready for my prints, you're too controlled by some paradigm to appreciate them. It's not about expensive prints, it's about good quality prints, and good quality images. Carry on!
So you are saying you are a hobby photographer, printing to an inkjet?
No, you only need to look at one 20" iMac to know that it has a TN panel so that is no good for colour accuracy. Then look at one 24" iMac, see that it is a H-IPS panel and check for an even backlight. If it hasn't then you know the iMac is not for you. As simple as that.
Where's the simple solution though? If people have a budget on the level of the iMac then what do they do when they acknowledge the iMac isn't good enough?
I reckon the only thing they can do is get a refurb Macbook Pro because a new MBP and Mac Pro are too expensive and the Mini is too low spec.
It's easy for people to say if you don't like what Apple offer, don't buy it but there's no way to properly use OS X any other way.
It comes down to the fact that Dell offer a quad-core machine at £499 (including cheap display), with an option for a dual-link DVI GPU that does a better job than Apple's £1,149 computer.
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Regarding the reflections they are exactly the same as with any CRT monitor, so nothing new and nothing that can not be taken care of.
No they're not, I have a CRT and the reflections are barely noticeable. CRTs have a curved screen and an anti-glare surface. Even in a direct light, the reflection is dull and certainly doesn't affect the use of the screen.
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You claimed a 30" Apple monitor would fix that, ignoring the considerable expense and that Apple quite clearly says it requires a dual graphics card to run (no "hint, hint" about it), none of which exist or can be installed in either the MBP nor the iMac. Your claims to the contrary I find extremely puzzling, despite your constant exaggerations and twisting of facts.
You are making a fool of yourself. iMacs are not designed as professional machines but some do use them without any problems.
If you need colour accuracy you should always try the monitor before purchase. If you fail to do so you only have yourself to blame.
Now it seems that you can not even understand what is required to drive a 30" Apple monitor. You need a dual-link DVI which is present on every MBP.
A quick look at the MBP technical specifications will have answered that but it seems that research is not a term you are familiar with.
"Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colours"
You are making a fool of yourself. iMacs are not designed as professional machines but some do use them without any problems.
If you need colour accuracy you should always try the monitor before purchase. If you fail to do so you only have yourself to blame.
Now it seems that you can not even understand what is required to drive a 30" Apple monitor. You need a dual-link DVI which is present on every MBP.
A quick look at the MBP technical specifications will have answered that but it seems that research is not a term you are familiar with.
"Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colours"
On the contrary I did my research. On both the iMac and the 30" monitors.
I have repeatedly said I had no expectation of pro color support on the iMac, nor do we have "a taste and try" option here. Again we have this vague "some" who use them "without problems", no definition of the use or lack of problems. I have no problem either. I just don't do color critical work on it.
The 30" display specs I found stated that it required a Mac Pro, and the MBP 15" specs said it was only 256Mb and supported up to 1920 x 1200 pixels. After I rang my local Apple store and they confirmed that you are indeed right, I did another search and found another web page that has confirmed what you said. The price of an ever shifting landscape.
It doesn't really change anything because the set-up still comes up to around 3x the cost of the OP's iMac 20" which is the whole point.
You can't simultaneously claim affordability and then spend your way into a "solution".
On the contrary I did my research. On both the iMac and the 30" monitors.
I have repeatedly said I had no expectation of pro color support on the iMac, nor do we have "a taste and try" option here. Again we have this vague "some" who use them "without problems", no definition of the use or lack of problems. I have no problem either. I just don't do color critical work on it.
The 30" display specs I found stated that it required a Mac Pro, and the MBP 15" specs said it was only 256Mb and supported up to 1920 x 1200 pixels. After I rang my local Apple store and they confirmed that you are indeed right, I did another search and found another web page that has confirmed what you said. The price of an ever shifting landscape.
It doesn't really change anything because the set-up still comes up to around 3x the cost of the OP's iMac 20" which is the whole point.
You can't simultaneously claim affordability and then spend your way into a "solution".
This is getting ridiculous. You say you called your local Apple store but then you say you do not have "a taste and try" option. Which is it?
Anyway if you need equipment that you will use to bring the bread to your table then it does not matter where you have to go to test it, you just do it. As I said, failing to do so means that you are the only one to blame if it does not work as you expected it. And by now you should know that professional equipment and affordability do not go hand in hand.
I do not know where you do your research because since the Powerbook G4 1.67GHz all professional Apple laptops have supported a 30" Apple display.
http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
This is getting ridiculous. You say you called your local Apple store but then you say you do not have "a taste and try" option. Which is it?]
Huh? Both.
I called them and we don't have a taste and try option.
We don't all live in the States.
I called them and we don't have a taste and try option.
We don't all live in the States.
Neither do I but one thing is clear, when it comes to critical professional equipment either they let me test the equipment or I take my business somewhere else.
Neither do I but one thing is clear, when it comes to critical professional equipment either they let me test the equipment or I take my business somewhere else.
Bully for you.
All three "Apple Centres" here are owned by the same company whose service, pricing and responsiveness sucks.
All the other Mac outlets are Department stores who sell boxes.
Irregardless, the only way you can possibly test every single possible iMac is to take them all to your studio, adjust your lighting, bring in the builder to remove all your windows, "color manage" till the cows come home, buy expensive testing equipment and software, hire consultants to do the same thing for you…
…then move palettes to cover up the reflections and pretend they don't exist.
But then as I have repeatedly said, despite what you say I said, I don't expect the new iMacs to do otherwise. You have to be an A class moron to not notice the "nice, shiny screen".
Shiny reflects, except in the alternate universes occupied by denialists.
Irregardless, the only way you can possibly test every single possible iMac...
…then move palettes to cover up the reflections and pretend they don't exist.
No, you only need to look at one 20" iMac to know that it has a TN panel so that is no good for colour accuracy. Then look at one 24" iMac, see that it is a H-IPS panel and check for an even backlight. If it hasn't then you know the iMac is not for you. As simple as that.
Regarding the reflections they are exactly the same as with any CRT monitor, so nothing new and nothing that can not be taken care of.
exactly the same as with any CRT monitor
"Exactly"… except without the oh so crucial anti glare coating.
But then they'd lose that lovely shininess and over the top contrast that they are selling to the consumer market.
Gastroboy, in your honor, today I bought a new 24" iMac, and I do photography. Carry on. ;o)
You obviously don't pay the printing bill, nor work in pre-press.
Great when someone else picks up the bill or has to fix the problems.
You obviously don't pay the printing bill, nor work in pre-press.
Great when someone else picks up the bill or has to fix the problems.
You are in La La Land, since I'm retired, ALL of the bills come to ME!
You would not be ready for my prints, you're too controlled by some paradigm to appreciate them. It's not about expensive prints, it's about good quality prints, and good quality images. Carry on!
You are in La La Land, since I'm retired, ALL of the bills come to ME!
You would not be ready for my prints, you're too controlled by some paradigm to appreciate them. It's not about expensive prints, it's about good quality prints, and good quality images. Carry on!
So you are saying you are a hobby photographer, printing to an inkjet?
You are not even on the same page.
So you are saying you are a hobby photographer, printing to an inkjet?
You are not even on the same page then.
What do you think pro requirements are?
YOU decided that i print on an inkjet, something that I have not offered, and don't do, Mr. Perfect.
So you are saying you are a hobby photographer, printing to an inkjet?
You are not even on the same page then.
You appear to be a couple of chapters, not to mention pages, behind. DO have a nice day in La La Land, Mr. Perfect!
You appear to be a couple of chapters, not to mention pages, behind. DO have a nice day in La La Land, Mr. Perfect!
This is what drives the poor sods in pre-press and the printing industry nuts.
I bow to your undefined expertise.
This is what drives the poor sods in pre-press and the printing industry nuts.
I bow to your undefined expertise.
Pre-press? Are you a pro photographer, or a printers assistant? I think that you're full of ink! Show me an image worth printing.
Pre-press? Are you a pro photographer, or a printers assistant? I think that you're full of ink! Show me an image worth printing.
What the heck is a "printers assistant"? It sounds so important, I want to be one!
I am a designer who has worked in pre-press.
So what are you?
Or are we not telling
What the heck is a "printers assistant"?
I am a designer who has worked in pre-press.
So what are you?
Or are we not telling
Sure, I'm a photographer. To continue with you is pointless. Adios, until you show me an image worth printing.
Sure, I'm a photographer. To continue with you is pointless. Adios, until you show me an image worth printing.
Go to Flickr or any of hundreds of Pro photography sites. I'll give you the links if you can't find them.
Now to get back on topic. You show me how to reproducibly process them on the OP's iMac, or any current iMac.
No, you only need to look at one 20" iMac to know that it has a TN panel so that is no good for colour accuracy. Then look at one 24" iMac, see that it is a H-IPS panel and check for an even backlight. If it hasn't then you know the iMac is not for you. As simple as that.
Where's the simple solution though? If people have a budget on the level of the iMac then what do they do when they acknowledge the iMac isn't good enough?
I reckon the only thing they can do is get a refurb Macbook Pro because a new MBP and Mac Pro are too expensive and the Mini is too low spec.
It's easy for people to say if you don't like what Apple offer, don't buy it but there's no way to properly use OS X any other way.
It comes down to the fact that Dell offer a quad-core machine at £499 (including cheap display), with an option for a dual-link DVI GPU that does a better job than Apple's £1,149 computer.
Regarding the reflections they are exactly the same as with any CRT monitor, so nothing new and nothing that can not be taken care of.
No they're not, I have a CRT and the reflections are barely noticeable. CRTs have a curved screen and an anti-glare surface. Even in a direct light, the reflection is dull and certainly doesn't affect the use of the screen.