Just look at the iphone launch in Europe --- did the numbers spike up a lot in Europe? No.
The presence or absence of 3G didn't affect Europe's numbers at all. People buy a phone because it's cheap, not because it's a 3G phone. 58% of Verizon Wireless' customers have a 3G phone.
The presence or absence of 3G didn't affect Europe's numbers at all.
Without comparing a timeframe when a 2G iPhone was available to a similar timeframe in which the 3G iPhone was available in a certain market we have no way of measuring the affect a 3G iPhone will have.
Unless, of course, you are from the future. In which case, could you bring me back a Sport's Almanac?
Defining smart phones isn't really that hard. Of course there is a gray area but I will say it will dominate the palms and bb's.
Defining it is the hardest thing in the world.
Which is why for the last 10 years --- Nokia smartphone rules worldwide but Palm/Windows Mobile rule the stateside. The war over definition has been a 10 year war already.
Without comparing a timeframe when a 2G iPhone was available to a similar timeframe in which the 3G iPhone was available in a certain market we have no way of measuring the affect a 3G iPhone will have.
Unless, of course, you are from the future. In which case, could you bring me back a Sport's Almanac?
If they bring a full price crippled 3G iphone with a long contract --- Europeans still won't buy it because they can get a top end Nokia 3G N-series phone for free with a contract.
Which is why for the last 10 years --- Nokia smartphone rules worldwide but Palm/Windows Mobile rule the stateside. The war over definition has been a 10 year war already.
I thought we were talking about defining what a smartphone is, not how we define the market. As this thread illustrates, US news sources often do a US and Worldwide marketshare.
Now, how do you define a smartphone? Apple will never win in a Spec Sheet war but it will dominate in quantifiable areas. How do you quantify the usability of an interface?
If they bring a full price crippled 3G iphone with a long contract --- Europeans still won't buy it because they can get a top end Nokia 3G N-series phone for free with a contract.
Define 'crippled'? No 5MP camera that is a waste when everything other part is sub-par, no xenon flash that produces washed out images, no FM radio?
Just imagine what kind of sales Apple could generate if they released the iphone for all the carriers. I personally refuse to be locked into ATT! I will just get a blackberry instead and continue to use Tmobile. Apple will not ever overtake RIMM with the ATT exclusive crap!
Define 'crippled'? No 5MP camera that is a waste when everything other part is sub-par, no xenon flash that produces washed out images, no FM radio?
Exactly, although I'd dispute that a 5mp camera and xenon flash are unecessary. N82 can take some very nice photos indeed, way outside of iPhone's territory. Give the iPhone a decent camera, and it'll sell like hot cakes in Europe.
These are some of the problems I have with your arguments:
1) Nobody is an absolute. That implies that not even one person does us it as a smartphone, which can't be true.
2) You then state it depends on how you define it. The problem is that the dichotomy between the two statements in confusing. We can either define it ourselves, you can state your definition for your argument or we can use the definition enacted by others.
You sir, are a class act ... I love reading your posts solipsism, you live up to your pen name
Just imagine what kind of sales Apple could generate if they released the iphone for all the carriers. I personally refuse to be locked into ATT! I will just get a blackberry instead and continue to use Tmobile. Apple will not ever overtake RIMM with the ATT exclusive crap!
I have a feeling that day will come ... meanwhile consolidation of the providers in the USA looks inevitable in this economy, so that will make it interesting. OMG If Verizon buys out Alltel will the kids in the TV ad become friends?
Exactly, although I'd dispute that a 5mp camera and xenon flash are unecessary. N82 can take some very nice photos indeed, way outside of iPhone's territory. Give the iPhone a decent camera, and it'll sell like hot cakes in Europe.
Then the iphone will sell like hot cakes --- because it has the nice camera, not because it has 3G.
Apple during the first quarter of 2008 rode the booming smartphone market to sales of more than 1.7 million iPhones, good enough to make it the No. 3 manufacturer of multi-function handsets worldwide, according to a report released Friday by market research firm Gartner.
It is interesting to see one reference to "multi-function handset" yet the rest of the article refer to "smartphone".
Does smartphone = mult-function handset?
Multi-function is a good definition, but the more anal posters will point out that even the cheapest cellphone has multiple function outside making phone calls.
Therefore T-Mobile USA must have the other 1.145 million iphones in Q1..
I would assume they pulled the number of US iPhones from sales data, not usage data. I recall that you have made mention that the sales numbers are not accurate because so many are going to international grey markets.
Also, the AT&T activations only refer to activations, not iPhones being used on their network. An unlocked iPhone can still still be used on AT&T's network without activation, which seems to be preferable to some who want to use their current AT&T SIM and not get stuck into a 2-year contract Although that seems pointless when the data plan cost so much more when not using the proper activation method, but I guess not everybody wants to use the data portion or ike to switch SIMs between devices.
I would assume they pulled the number of US iPhones from sales data, not usage data. I recall that you have made mention that the sales numbers are not accurate because so many are going to international grey markets.
Also, the AT&T activations only refer to activations, not iPhones being used on their network. An unlocked iPhone can still still be used on AT&T's network without activation, which seems to be preferable to some who want to use their current AT&T SIM and not get stuck into a 2-year contract Although that seems pointless when the data plan cost so much more when not using the proper activation method, but I guess not everybody wants to use the data portion or ike to switch SIMs between devices.
Especially when AT&T charges the regular $20 price for the data portion of the iphone monthly plan --- I don't see much people would opt for pay-as-you-go.
Especially when AT&T charges the regular $20 price for the data portion of the iphone monthly plan --- I don't see much people would opt for pay-as-you-go.
I am trying to figure out a formula but for figuring out how AT&T is faring with the unkimted data plan for $20, but I'm coming up blank. Since they are required for every activated iPhone under AT&T, regardless of the plan type, they are making half the normal unlimited data plan payment from even those that use little data and those who would have opted out if it was optional.
I hope it's enough to keep the data plan for the 3G iPhone the same price, though AT&T has been bellyaching about the increase in data usage with dwindling profits.
PS: I'm not sure ig you were implying that AT&T' monthly plans had a higher data plan, but I think it's still $20 a month and required. But I hear you have to call now as putting in all 9's for an SSN won't work anymore.
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Just look at the iphone launch in Europe --- did the numbers spike up a lot in Europe? No.
The presence or absence of 3G didn't affect Europe's numbers at all. People buy a phone because it's cheap, not because it's a 3G phone. 58% of Verizon Wireless' customers have a 3G phone.
http://telephonyonline.com/wireless/...revenues-0428/
The only way that the numbers are going to spike is if there is a massive handset subsidy involved.
Why are you all over the web bashing Apple, iphone, and AT&T, what have they done to you ?
The presence or absence of 3G didn't affect Europe's numbers at all.
Without comparing a timeframe when a 2G iPhone was available to a similar timeframe in which the 3G iPhone was available in a certain market we have no way of measuring the affect a 3G iPhone will have.
Unless, of course, you are from the future. In which case, could you bring me back a Sport's Almanac?
Why are you all over the web bashing Apple, iphone, and AT&T, what have they done to you ?
I am coming to believe he is head troll in charge of ZunePhone development or something...
Defining smart phones isn't really that hard. Of course there is a gray area but I will say it will dominate the palms and bb's.
Defining it is the hardest thing in the world.
Which is why for the last 10 years --- Nokia smartphone rules worldwide but Palm/Windows Mobile rule the stateside. The war over definition has been a 10 year war already.
Without comparing a timeframe when a 2G iPhone was available to a similar timeframe in which the 3G iPhone was available in a certain market we have no way of measuring the affect a 3G iPhone will have.
Unless, of course, you are from the future. In which case, could you bring me back a Sport's Almanac?
If they bring a full price crippled 3G iphone with a long contract --- Europeans still won't buy it because they can get a top end Nokia 3G N-series phone for free with a contract.
Defining it is the hardest thing in the world.
Which is why for the last 10 years --- Nokia smartphone rules worldwide but Palm/Windows Mobile rule the stateside. The war over definition has been a 10 year war already.
I thought we were talking about defining what a smartphone is, not how we define the market. As this thread illustrates, US news sources often do a US and Worldwide marketshare.
Now, how do you define a smartphone? Apple will never win in a Spec Sheet war but it will dominate in quantifiable areas. How do you quantify the usability of an interface?
If they bring a full price crippled 3G iphone with a long contract --- Europeans still won't buy it because they can get a top end Nokia 3G N-series phone for free with a contract.
Define 'crippled'? No 5MP camera that is a waste when everything other part is sub-par, no xenon flash that produces washed out images, no FM radio?
Define 'crippled'? No 5MP camera that is a waste when everything other part is sub-par, no xenon flash that produces washed out images, no FM radio?
Exactly, although I'd dispute that a 5mp camera and xenon flash are unecessary. N82 can take some very nice photos indeed, way outside of iPhone's territory. Give the iPhone a decent camera, and it'll sell like hot cakes in Europe.
These are some of the problems I have with your arguments:
1) Nobody is an absolute. That implies that not even one person does us it as a smartphone, which can't be true.
2) You then state it depends on how you define it. The problem is that the dichotomy between the two statements in confusing. We can either define it ourselves, you can state your definition for your argument or we can use the definition enacted by others.
You sir, are a class act ... I love reading your posts solipsism, you live up to your pen name
Just imagine what kind of sales Apple could generate if they released the iphone for all the carriers. I personally refuse to be locked into ATT! I will just get a blackberry instead and continue to use Tmobile. Apple will not ever overtake RIMM with the ATT exclusive crap!
I have a feeling that day will come ... meanwhile consolidation of the providers in the USA looks inevitable in this economy, so that will make it interesting. OMG If Verizon buys out Alltel will the kids in the TV ad become friends?
Exactly, although I'd dispute that a 5mp camera and xenon flash are unecessary. N82 can take some very nice photos indeed, way outside of iPhone's territory. Give the iPhone a decent camera, and it'll sell like hot cakes in Europe.
Then the iphone will sell like hot cakes --- because it has the nice camera, not because it has 3G.
Then the iphone will sell like hot cakes --- because it has the nice camera, not because it has 3G.
If I wanted a nice camera I'd buy a nice camera
Apple during the first quarter of 2008 rode the booming smartphone market to sales of more than 1.7 million iPhones, good enough to make it the No. 3 manufacturer of multi-function handsets worldwide, according to a report released Friday by market research firm Gartner.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
It is interesting to see one reference to "multi-function handset" yet the rest of the article refer to "smartphone".
Does smartphone = mult-function handset?
It is interesting to see one reference to "multi-function handset" yet the rest of the article refer to "smartphone".
Does smartphone = mult-function handset?
Multi-function is a good definition, but the more anal posters will point out that even the cheapest cellphone has multiple function outside making phone calls.
It is interesting to see one reference to "multi-function handset" yet the rest of the article refer to "smartphone".
Does smartphone = mult-function handset?
The most interesting thing is this:
Quote: " Meanwhile, the blistering North American smartphone market saw sales skyrocket by more than 106 percent to 7.3 million units."
Apple has 20% of that --- so 7.3 million smartphones x 20% = 1.46 million iphones sold in the US in the first quarter.
AT&T CFO announced 500,000 additional iphone activation after 4.75 months --- so a quarterly activation run rate of 315,000 iphones in Q1.
Therefore T-Mobile USA must have the other 1.145 million iphones in Q1.
Or the iphone has a 4.3% market share in the US.
Therefore T-Mobile USA must have the other 1.145 million iphones in Q1..
I would assume they pulled the number of US iPhones from sales data, not usage data. I recall that you have made mention that the sales numbers are not accurate because so many are going to international grey markets.
Also, the AT&T activations only refer to activations, not iPhones being used on their network. An unlocked iPhone can still still be used on AT&T's network without activation, which seems to be preferable to some who want to use their current AT&T SIM and not get stuck into a 2-year contract Although that seems pointless when the data plan cost so much more when not using the proper activation method, but I guess not everybody wants to use the data portion or ike to switch SIMs between devices.
I would assume they pulled the number of US iPhones from sales data, not usage data. I recall that you have made mention that the sales numbers are not accurate because so many are going to international grey markets.
Also, the AT&T activations only refer to activations, not iPhones being used on their network. An unlocked iPhone can still still be used on AT&T's network without activation, which seems to be preferable to some who want to use their current AT&T SIM and not get stuck into a 2-year contract Although that seems pointless when the data plan cost so much more when not using the proper activation method, but I guess not everybody wants to use the data portion or ike to switch SIMs between devices.
Especially when AT&T charges the regular $20 price for the data portion of the iphone monthly plan --- I don't see much people would opt for pay-as-you-go.
Especially when AT&T charges the regular $20 price for the data portion of the iphone monthly plan --- I don't see much people would opt for pay-as-you-go.
I am trying to figure out a formula but for figuring out how AT&T is faring with the unkimted data plan for $20, but I'm coming up blank. Since they are required for every activated iPhone under AT&T, regardless of the plan type, they are making half the normal unlimited data plan payment from even those that use little data and those who would have opted out if it was optional.
I hope it's enough to keep the data plan for the 3G iPhone the same price, though AT&T has been bellyaching about the increase in data usage with dwindling profits.
PS: I'm not sure ig you were implying that AT&T' monthly plans had a higher data plan, but I think it's still $20 a month and required. But I hear you have to call now as putting in all 9's for an SSN won't work anymore.