Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
What features does/will the 3G iPhone have that the Crackberry won't?
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
I thought iPhone already does push email. That said, I'm not terribly discerning on what the differences are on email services between Blackberry and iPhone. iPhone will get Exchange support with firmware version 2.
the new operating system for all iPhones will have push email for Microsoft exchange just like crackberrys (unless you are a business, or run a server with exchange, very little use)
iPhone currently has push Yahoo! email.
I can't find many crackberries that look this stylish, have a great internet browser, and an iPod insider (full feature media player I mean, not crap stuff that everyone else shambles together)
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
What features does/will the 3G iPhone have that the Crackberry won't?
Thanks
Forget the new hardware on the 3G iPhone, Apple will be releasing OS X iPhone v2.0 for free to all iPhone owners. It will have native Exchange support so push email, sync contact and calenders and remote wipe will work if you you are connected to an Exchange server.
If you have Yahoo mail you can also get push, though I am unsure how reliable that is. There are also rumours of .Mac mail getting push, and I wonder if Gmail won't be too far down the line.
There are some differences between the way the iPhone gets pushed emails and the way Blackberries get push email which is another area of contention as to which is better.
Oh, and with the iChat thing, I currently doubt iChat on iPhone.
Why?
Isn't AIM part of iChat? As far as I recall, AOL AIM was a demoed app at the SDK launch.
Why get AOL in there for AIM if it was being re-integrated with iChat now?
iChat is what Apple uses to do video conferencing. If it has a front camera and does video conferencing then it makes sense that they brand it iChat. It also makes sense that they have a Windows iChat client.
Oh, and with the iChat thing, I currently doubt iChat on iPhone.
Why?
Isn't AIM part of iChat? As far as I recall, AOL AIM was a demoed app at the SDK launch.
Why get AOL in there for AIM if it was being re-integrated with iChat now?
The problem with an AIM app (or any 3rd-party IM client) is that by the rules of the SDK no 3rd-party app can run in the background. This makes an IM app difficult to use. For instance, AIM can store chats on the server so you'd have to keep logging back in to see any messages if you weren't in the app currently. You'd get no notification of a new message. Or if the app was suspended by an incoming call and the server didn't realize this an important message could be sent to your device but never received.
The only options Apple has is to let AIM run in the background which would probably upset some developers or to make the chat client native as iChat with the AIM protocols per a recent patent filing. The latter seems the most likely to me.
The other issue is that AIM is not the most popular IM in the world. I think MSN is, so it would behoove Apple to either add MSN support (which the patent also noted) or to make iChat for Windows as a way to pulling all Windows users that own iPhones over to iChat and away from MSN. Not sure which they'd do here.
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
What features does/will the 3G iPhone have that the Crackberry won't?
Thanks
iPhone has push email, I think if you watch the March 6th event on the Apple website (or youtube) Microsoft Exchange is demoed etc. etc.
MSN on iPhone would be good, however I think countries outside of the US would benefit more from due to them using it more e.g the UK
...MSN protocols being included to connect with the majority in pretty much every other country but the US, which mainly uses AIM.
Off topic, I guess, but can this be even remotely true? I live in the US, and I must have had a hundred people in the last couple of years ask me if I had Yahoo IM ("Do You Yahoo?" is synonymous with: "Do you use an Instant Messenger?") and maybe two ask me if I had MSN, but I have never,in my life, had anyone ask me if I had AOL! Are they still in business?
Off topic, I guess, but can this be even remotely true? I live in the US, and I must have had a hundred people in the last couple of years ask me if I had Yahoo IM ("Do You Yahoo?" is synonymous with: "Do you use an Instant Messenger?") and maybe two ask me if I had MSN, but I have never,in my life, had anyone ask me if I had AOL! Are they still in business?
I hope you mean AIM, not AOL. Perhaps it does vary by region or some other demographic, but I only have one person on my lsit that uses Yahoo. Everyone else I know in the US uses AIM, and everyone outside the US uses MSN, with a growing number of GTalk users across the globe.
Not exactly the must up to list. I guess people don't that much.
I hope you mean AIM, not AOL. Perhaps it does vary by region or some other demographic, but I only have one person on my lsit that uses Yahoo. Everyone else I know in the US uses AIM, and everyone outside the US uses MSN, with a growing number of GTalk users across the globe.
I don't think it matters that I live in Seattle, but maybe it's because I fit in the old-fart demographic, I don't know. Just goes to show: don't trust "anecdotal" evidence!
P.S.: Your link uses the term AOL, too, so I'm not alone. I guess AIM is all that's left of AOL?
Just goes to show: don't trust "anecdotal" evidence!
P.S.: Your link uses the term AOL, too, so I'm not alone. I guess AIM is all that's left of AOL?
I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page because AOL and AOL Instant Messenger are not the same thing,
As for the old stats on the links I supplied above, I hope someone knows where to find more recent information. IM Clients tend to change often and with MySpace and Facebook offering a web-based client and GTalk and other Jabber clients coming out things maybe changing drastically.
The problem with an AIM app (or any 3rd-party IM client) is that by the rules of the SDK no 3rd-party app can run in the background. This makes an IM app difficult to use. For instance, AIM can store chats on the server so you'd have to keep logging back in to see any messages if you weren't in the app currently. You'd get no notification of a new message. Or if the app was suspended by an incoming call and the server didn't realize this an important message could be sent to your device but never received.
The only options Apple has is to let AIM run in the background which would probably upset some developers or to make the chat client native as iChat with the AIM protocols per a recent patent filing. The latter seems the most likely to me.
The other issue is that AIM is not the most popular IM in the world. I think MSN is, so it would behoove Apple to either add MSN support (which the patent also noted) or to make iChat for Windows as a way to pulling all Windows users that own iPhones over to iChat and away from MSN. Not sure which they'd do here.
ichatAV wil run on the iphone, not aim... big difference...!!!
i think you need to read up on the future of hsdpa...
Its been so coined HSPA+ or HSPA Evolved to describe this newer, evolved technology. You could state that UTMS or WCDMA will be able to achieve speeds up to 42Mbps, but HSDPA seems to be clearly defined as having a current maximum or 14.4Mbps/384Kbps.
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ichatAV wil run on the iphone, not aim... big difference...!!!
Bg difference how? I am describing why the standalone AIM client demoed will not make it, but iChat will.
IM Clients tend to change often and with MySpace and Facebook offering a web-based client and GTalk and other Jabber clients coming out things maybe changing drastically.
That's really what I meant with the "old fart" crack--I'm sure GTalk and Jabber-compatible clients will pick up speed fast among the (younger) gearhead cognoscenti, but fossils like me are more familiar with the old Big Three. Yeah, I know AIM is still in business--I use Adium, so I know all the IMs they support. I was just trying to sound more ignorant than I am. (Tough job!)
Its been so coined HSPA+ or HSPA Evolved to describe this newer, evolved technology. You could state that UTMS or WCDMA will be able to achieve speeds up to 42Mbps, but HSDPA seems to be clearly defined as having a current maximum or 14.4Mbps/384Kbps.
Bg difference how? I am describing why the standalone AIM client demoed will not make it, but iChat will.
the iphone is capable of the faster hsdpa+ speeds...
ichatAV is different since it's video chat works... as aim never got video chat to work with a good codec and no audio... a video chat w/o audio isn't worth much... and video quality has to be very good, not just video somehow streamed to the other party.. that's why ichatAV is used by so many people for video chat and other video applications in leopard... like remote desktop and video streaming...
the iphone is capable of the faster hsdpa+ speeds...
According to the very convincing rumours describing the model numbers of the 3G radios in the upcoming iPhone it is not capable of more than Rx 7.2Mbps / Tx 384Kbps.
If you have knowledge that says otherwise, please cite it as it's a rumour we have not heard, save for the Telestra's foolish claim.
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ichatAV is different since it's video chat works...
Your argument stems from my omitting A/V from the name? The discussion was about whether AIM would supply an app or whether Apple would use it's native code. Adding a suffix of A/V doesn't change my argument or the items I laid down for discussion as it wasn't about the ability to have an audio and/or video conversation. Again, we did not discuss, in any form, which feature set Apple will eschew from iChat for the iPhone.
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The iChat is gona be on Wifi, not too sure if its *only* on Wifi. And Apple is gona release a iChat for windows, needing XP SP2 or Vista.
Its all in the photos, take a closer look.
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
What features does/will the 3G iPhone have that the Crackberry won't?
Thanks
I have a question about Crackberry and iPhone.
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
I thought iPhone already does push email. That said, I'm not terribly discerning on what the differences are on email services between Blackberry and iPhone. iPhone will get Exchange support with firmware version 2.
iPhone currently has push Yahoo! email.
I can't find many crackberries that look this stylish, have a great internet browser, and an iPod insider (full feature media player I mean, not crap stuff that everyone else shambles together)
Why?
Isn't AIM part of iChat? As far as I recall, AOL AIM was a demoed app at the SDK launch.
Why get AOL in there for AIM if it was being re-integrated with iChat now?
I have a question about Crackberry and iPhone.
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
What features does/will the 3G iPhone have that the Crackberry won't?
Thanks
Forget the new hardware on the 3G iPhone, Apple will be releasing OS X iPhone v2.0 for free to all iPhone owners. It will have native Exchange support so push email, sync contact and calenders and remote wipe will work if you you are connected to an Exchange server.
If you have Yahoo mail you can also get push, though I am unsure how reliable that is. There are also rumours of .Mac mail getting push, and I wonder if Gmail won't be too far down the line.
There are some differences between the way the iPhone gets pushed emails and the way Blackberries get push email which is another area of contention as to which is better.edit: Pipped by PG$g and JeffDM.
If you want to see a demonstration of how it works and what will be on v2.0 check out the keynote from the March 6th event...
Oh, and with the iChat thing, I currently doubt iChat on iPhone.
Why?
Isn't AIM part of iChat? As far as I recall, AOL AIM was a demoed app at the SDK launch.
Why get AOL in there for AIM if it was being re-integrated with iChat now?
iChat is what Apple uses to do video conferencing. If it has a front camera and does video conferencing then it makes sense that they brand it iChat. It also makes sense that they have a Windows iChat client.
Oh, and with the iChat thing, I currently doubt iChat on iPhone.
Why?
Isn't AIM part of iChat? As far as I recall, AOL AIM was a demoed app at the SDK launch.
Why get AOL in there for AIM if it was being re-integrated with iChat now?
The problem with an AIM app (or any 3rd-party IM client) is that by the rules of the SDK no 3rd-party app can run in the background. This makes an IM app difficult to use. For instance, AIM can store chats on the server so you'd have to keep logging back in to see any messages if you weren't in the app currently. You'd get no notification of a new message. Or if the app was suspended by an incoming call and the server didn't realize this an important message could be sent to your device but never received.
The only options Apple has is to let AIM run in the background which would probably upset some developers or to make the chat client native as iChat with the AIM protocols per a recent patent filing. The latter seems the most likely to me.
The other issue is that AIM is not the most popular IM in the world. I think MSN is, so it would behoove Apple to either add MSN support (which the patent also noted) or to make iChat for Windows as a way to pulling all Windows users that own iPhones over to iChat and away from MSN. Not sure which they'd do here.
I have a question about Crackberry and iPhone.
Friend says that the Crackberry is better cause it has push email. Is that the same thing for upcoming 3G iphone and does it even matter for the person who isn't working for a corporation where they might be using some type of corporate mail exchange server?
What features does/will the 3G iPhone have that the Crackberry won't?
Thanks
iPhone has push email, I think if you watch the March 6th event on the Apple website (or youtube) Microsoft Exchange is demoed etc. etc.
MSN on iPhone would be good, however I think countries outside of the US would benefit more from due to them using it more e.g the UK
...MSN protocols being included to connect with the majority in pretty much every other country but the US, which mainly uses AIM.
Off topic, I guess, but can this be even remotely true? I live in the US, and I must have had a hundred people in the last couple of years ask me if I had Yahoo IM ("Do You Yahoo?" is synonymous with: "Do you use an Instant Messenger?") and maybe two ask me if I had MSN, but I have never, in my life, had anyone ask me if I had AOL! Are they still in business?
Off topic, I guess, but can this be even remotely true? I live in the US, and I must have had a hundred people in the last couple of years ask me if I had Yahoo IM ("Do You Yahoo?" is synonymous with: "Do you use an Instant Messenger?") and maybe two ask me if I had MSN, but I have never, in my life, had anyone ask me if I had AOL! Are they still in business?
I hope you mean AIM, not AOL. Perhaps it does vary by region or some other demographic, but I only have one person on my lsit that uses Yahoo. Everyone else I know in the US uses AIM, and everyone outside the US uses MSN, with a growing number of GTalk users across the globe.
Not exactly the must up to list. I guess people don't that much.
I hope you mean AIM, not AOL. Perhaps it does vary by region or some other demographic, but I only have one person on my lsit that uses Yahoo. Everyone else I know in the US uses AIM, and everyone outside the US uses MSN, with a growing number of GTalk users across the globe.
I don't think it matters that I live in Seattle, but maybe it's because I fit in the old-fart demographic, I don't know. Just goes to show: don't trust "anecdotal" evidence!
P.S.: Your link uses the term AOL, too, so I'm not alone. I guess AIM is all that's left of AOL?
Just goes to show: don't trust "anecdotal" evidence!
P.S.: Your link uses the term AOL, too, so I'm not alone. I guess AIM is all that's left of AOL?
I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page because AOL and AOL Instant Messenger are not the same thing,
As for the old stats on the links I supplied above, I hope someone knows where to find more recent information. IM Clients tend to change often and with MySpace and Facebook offering a web-based client and GTalk and other Jabber clients coming out things maybe changing drastically.
Considers HSDPA supports a maximum of 14.4Mbits/sec, I very much doubt it.
i think you need to read up on the future of hsdpa...
The problem with an AIM app (or any 3rd-party IM client) is that by the rules of the SDK no 3rd-party app can run in the background. This makes an IM app difficult to use. For instance, AIM can store chats on the server so you'd have to keep logging back in to see any messages if you weren't in the app currently. You'd get no notification of a new message. Or if the app was suspended by an incoming call and the server didn't realize this an important message could be sent to your device but never received.
The only options Apple has is to let AIM run in the background which would probably upset some developers or to make the chat client native as iChat with the AIM protocols per a recent patent filing. The latter seems the most likely to me.
The other issue is that AIM is not the most popular IM in the world. I think MSN is, so it would behoove Apple to either add MSN support (which the patent also noted) or to make iChat for Windows as a way to pulling all Windows users that own iPhones over to iChat and away from MSN. Not sure which they'd do here.
ichatAV wil run on the iphone, not aim... big difference...!!!
i think you need to read up on the future of hsdpa...
Its been so coined HSPA+ or HSPA Evolved to describe this newer, evolved technology. You could state that UTMS or WCDMA will be able to achieve speeds up to 42Mbps, but HSDPA seems to be clearly defined as having a current maximum or 14.4Mbps/384Kbps.
ichatAV wil run on the iphone, not aim... big difference...!!!
Bg difference how? I am describing why the standalone AIM client demoed will not make it, but iChat will.
IM Clients tend to change often and with MySpace and Facebook offering a web-based client and GTalk and other Jabber clients coming out things maybe changing drastically.
That's really what I meant with the "old fart" crack--I'm sure GTalk and Jabber-compatible clients will pick up speed fast among the (younger) gearhead cognoscenti, but fossils like me are more familiar with the old Big Three. Yeah, I know AIM is still in business--I use Adium, so I know all the IMs they support. I was just trying to sound more ignorant than I am. (Tough job!)
Its been so coined HSPA+ or HSPA Evolved to describe this newer, evolved technology. You could state that UTMS or WCDMA will be able to achieve speeds up to 42Mbps, but HSDPA seems to be clearly defined as having a current maximum or 14.4Mbps/384Kbps.
Bg difference how? I am describing why the standalone AIM client demoed will not make it, but iChat will.
the iphone is capable of the faster hsdpa+ speeds...
ichatAV is different since it's video chat works... as aim never got video chat to work with a good codec and no audio... a video chat w/o audio isn't worth much... and video quality has to be very good, not just video somehow streamed to the other party.. that's why ichatAV is used by so many people for video chat and other video applications in leopard... like remote desktop and video streaming...
the iphone is capable of the faster hsdpa+ speeds...
According to the very convincing rumours describing the model numbers of the 3G radios in the upcoming iPhone it is not capable of more than Rx 7.2Mbps / Tx 384Kbps.
If you have knowledge that says otherwise, please cite it as it's a rumour we have not heard, save for the Telestra's foolish claim.
ichatAV is different since it's video chat works...
Your argument stems from my omitting A/V from the name? The discussion was about whether AIM would supply an app or whether Apple would use it's native code. Adding a suffix of A/V doesn't change my argument or the items I laid down for discussion as it wasn't about the ability to have an audio and/or video conversation. Again, we did not discuss, in any form, which feature set Apple will eschew from iChat for the iPhone.
PS: Even Apple refers to it as iChat, sans the A/V.