I returned my first iphone because of the low speaker volume.
That is one of the things Steve mentioned was greatly improved. Though we have yet to see by how much. Though the new bottom suggests that it will be more than sufficient.
That is one of the things Steve mentioned was greatly improved. Though we have yet to see by how much. Though the new bottom suggests that it will be more than sufficient.
The best phone ever just got better. Ok so I am still not happy about the lack of video recording or SMS delivery reports but the 3G and App store will make up for that hopefully.
Three of the 5 items you mention (MMS, video recording and audio recording) can be handled by 3rd-parties if Apple doesn't step up to the plate.
Perhaps but not in an elegant fashion unless Apple lets 3rd parties plug in to the built in applications. ie. In iPhone 2.0 you take a photo and you're given the option of emailing it or sharing it to your MobileMe gallery - there needs to be a plugin architecture that lets 3rd parties add 'send as MMS' or 'share to Flickr' direct in the iPhone gallery/photo app.
I hope they do allow that kind of thing as it'd also solve 'Send via Bluetooth' and all sorts of things. Sort of a 'Services' menu for the iPhone.
With video recording, it'd really be best with an Apple app so that a similar service architecture could be implemented 'Share to YouTube' and all that kind of stuff.
Perhaps they've done this - I don't have access to the SDK and if I did I'd still be under NDA I guess.
Perhaps but not in an elegant fashion unless Apple lets 3rd parties plug in to the built in applications. ie. In iPhone 2.0 you take a photo and you're given the option of emailing it or sharing it to your MobileMe gallery - there needs to be a plugin architecture that lets 3rd parties add 'send as MMS' or 'share to Flickr' direct in the iPhone gallery/photo app.
I hope they do allow that kind of thing as it'd also solve 'Send via Bluetooth' and all sorts of things. Sort of a 'Services' menu for the iPhone.
With video recording, it'd really be best with an Apple app so that a similar service architecture could be implemented 'Share to YouTube' and all that kind of stuff.
Perhaps they've done this - I don't have access to the SDK and if I did I'd still be under NDA I guess.
Perhaps in the future they will allow for a robust plug-in system that you can turn on and off vie iTunes setup or on the iPhone's System Pane, but for now it doesn't look like it. Flickr and Facebook image uploading should be out of the gate. I think that may have been something about that in the keynote. (will check later), but if it isn't I have no doubt both companies will have an app to uplaod your iPhones to their site.
I returned my first iphone because of the low speaker volume.
I never returned mine. But, I believe audio was by far the biggest disappointment of the iPhone. I hope it really is "dramatically improved" as Steve says. Also, the last 6 phones I've had all included video capture, why doesn't this one?!?!?! Hopefully a third party can make it happen.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but last year's iPhone was released on a Friday @5pm in each time zone. I postponed a several month trip to Asia last year as long as I could to get it but had to leave the week before it came out. Sucked for me too, though I did get the lower price when I returned.
Where do you get you figures from? The old phone which people stood in line for hours for was $600!! Stop re-writing history. It was way overpriced from the start.
Not necessarily. Apple had to pay off its initial R&D. The components haven't changed much and the prices for Apple have fallen dramatically from last year.
Not necessarily. Apple had to pay off its initial R&D. The components haven't changed much and the prices for Apple have fallen dramatically from last year.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
I don't see the problem there. $200 per device over maybe 1million devices is $200 million dollars. Even if it's only half a million sold up till then, that's $100M. I don't see a problem in suggesting that the initial costs were paid off by then.
I don't see the problem there. $200 per device over maybe 1million devices is $200 million dollars. Even if it's only half a million sold up till then, that's $100M. I don't see a problem in suggesting that the initial costs were paid off by then.
There's no point in arguing with these people. If all the posts on this subject from last year were laid end to end--well, they're just bits in a computer somewhere, so they'd be invisible. Every new electronic device costs a lot at first and then rapidly comes down in price. Apparently it's only a new and unexpected outrage when Apple does it.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
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I don't see the problem there. $200 per device over maybe 1million devices is $200 million dollars. Even if it's only half a million sold up till then, that's $100M. I don't see a problem in suggesting that the initial costs were paid off by then.
I give credence to both theories. There doesn't have to be only one reason why they lowered the price.
Are there any reports on how tech companies spend on R&D? The last one I read had Apple spending far less than others, but that was at least 5 years ago.
Not necessarily. Apple had to pay off its initial R&D. The components haven't changed much and the prices for Apple have fallen dramatically from last year.
Exactly. Apple didn't have to invent much other than a new case. Most of the inside remains the same. The radios are standard off the shelf stuff. The back was probably changed to suppress RF interference that the metal back might have generated. Apple dusted off some 6 month old designs, put in a new radio, some nice plastic, and the rest remains virtually the same. R&D costs surley did not exceed $100 Mil. Just can't see it.
Exactly. Apple didn't have to invent much other than a new case. Most of the inside remains the same. The radios are standard off the shelf stuff. The back was probably changed to suppress RF interference that the metal back might have generated. Apple dusted off some 6 month old designs, put in a new radio, some nice plastic, and the rest remains virtually the same. R&D costs surley did not exceed $100 Mil. Just can't see it.
The OS has gone through major revisions and there is the SDK. I have no idea how much that stuff costs. As for the HW, I can't wait until we can crack that puppy open and take a look.
There is always the possibility that TomTom may be working with Apple now but keeping it hush hush from here on out. If they aren't and no one else has such an app then this would help TomTom maintain it's business. I love my TomTom and hope they are working with Apple. If Apple added that to the SDK for no other reason that to hinder competition then there will legal problems.
buy the 16gb 3g and get my wife a used V1 iphone,(they will come down in price) then when there is a form factor change upgrade hers to that. i can save some money on the phone defer the cost of the increased data plan
i think a new form factor will be available near or after Christmas. SJ is following the ipod path
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I returned my first iphone because of the low speaker volume.
I just hope they improve the speaker volume.
I returned my first iphone because of the low speaker volume.
That is one of the things Steve mentioned was greatly improved. Though we have yet to see by how much. Though the new bottom suggests that it will be more than sufficient.
That is one of the things Steve mentioned was greatly improved. Though we have yet to see by how much. Though the new bottom suggests that it will be more than sufficient.
How so?
How so?
The bottom seems to be housing larger speakers that are less encumbered by the case design.
God, happened like 9 months ago and the whiners still keep coming.
Better a whiner than a liar anyday. Stop mistating facts that's all. And since when is stating factual truth whining?
Three of the 5 items you mention (MMS, video recording and audio recording) can be handled by 3rd-parties if Apple doesn't step up to the plate.
Perhaps but not in an elegant fashion unless Apple lets 3rd parties plug in to the built in applications. ie. In iPhone 2.0 you take a photo and you're given the option of emailing it or sharing it to your MobileMe gallery - there needs to be a plugin architecture that lets 3rd parties add 'send as MMS' or 'share to Flickr' direct in the iPhone gallery/photo app.
I hope they do allow that kind of thing as it'd also solve 'Send via Bluetooth' and all sorts of things. Sort of a 'Services' menu for the iPhone.
With video recording, it'd really be best with an Apple app so that a similar service architecture could be implemented 'Share to YouTube' and all that kind of stuff.
Perhaps they've done this - I don't have access to the SDK and if I did I'd still be under NDA I guess.
Perhaps but not in an elegant fashion unless Apple lets 3rd parties plug in to the built in applications. ie. In iPhone 2.0 you take a photo and you're given the option of emailing it or sharing it to your MobileMe gallery - there needs to be a plugin architecture that lets 3rd parties add 'send as MMS' or 'share to Flickr' direct in the iPhone gallery/photo app.
I hope they do allow that kind of thing as it'd also solve 'Send via Bluetooth' and all sorts of things. Sort of a 'Services' menu for the iPhone.
With video recording, it'd really be best with an Apple app so that a similar service architecture could be implemented 'Share to YouTube' and all that kind of stuff.
Perhaps they've done this - I don't have access to the SDK and if I did I'd still be under NDA I guess.
Perhaps in the future they will allow for a robust plug-in system that you can turn on and off vie iTunes setup or on the iPhone's System Pane, but for now it doesn't look like it. Flickr and Facebook image uploading should be out of the gate. I think that may have been something about that in the keynote. (will check later), but if it isn't I have no doubt both companies will have an app to uplaod your iPhones to their site.
I just hope they improve the speaker volume.
I returned my first iphone because of the low speaker volume.
I never returned mine. But, I believe audio was by far the biggest disappointment of the iPhone. I hope it really is "dramatically improved" as Steve says. Also, the last 6 phones I've had all included video capture, why doesn't this one?!?!?!
Its a gouge....really sucks.
So please becareful with your screens.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but last year's iPhone was released on a Friday @5pm in each time zone. I postponed a several month trip to Asia last year as long as I could to get it but had to leave the week before it came out. Sucked for me too, though I did get the lower price when I returned.
Oh well. Monday the 14th it will be.
Where do you get you figures from? The old phone which people stood in line for hours for was $600!! Stop re-writing history. It was way overpriced from the start.
Not necessarily. Apple had to pay off its initial R&D. The components haven't changed much and the prices for Apple have fallen dramatically from last year.
Not necessarily. Apple had to pay off its initial R&D. The components haven't changed much and the prices for Apple have fallen dramatically from last year.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
I don't see the problem there. $200 per device over maybe 1million devices is $200 million dollars. Even if it's only half a million sold up till then, that's $100M. I don't see a problem in suggesting that the initial costs were paid off by then.
I don't see the problem there. $200 per device over maybe 1million devices is $200 million dollars. Even if it's only half a million sold up till then, that's $100M. I don't see a problem in suggesting that the initial costs were paid off by then.
There's no point in arguing with these people. If all the posts on this subject from last year were laid end to end--well, they're just bits in a computer somewhere, so they'd be invisible. Every new electronic device costs a lot at first and then rapidly comes down in price. Apparently it's only a new and unexpected outrage when Apple does it.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
I don't see the problem there. $200 per device over maybe 1million devices is $200 million dollars. Even if it's only half a million sold up till then, that's $100M. I don't see a problem in suggesting that the initial costs were paid off by then.
I give credence to both theories. There doesn't have to be only one reason why they lowered the price.
Are there any reports on how tech companies spend on R&D? The last one I read had Apple spending far less than others, but that was at least 5 years ago.
Not necessarily. Apple had to pay off its initial R&D. The components haven't changed much and the prices for Apple have fallen dramatically from last year.
Exactly. Apple didn't have to invent much other than a new case. Most of the inside remains the same. The radios are standard off the shelf stuff. The back was probably changed to suppress RF interference that the metal back might have generated. Apple dusted off some 6 month old designs, put in a new radio, some nice plastic, and the rest remains virtually the same. R&D costs surley did not exceed $100 Mil. Just can't see it.
It seems that they just crapped all over Tom Tom as well regarding GPS. See link: http://www.iClarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1334
Exactly. Apple didn't have to invent much other than a new case. Most of the inside remains the same. The radios are standard off the shelf stuff. The back was probably changed to suppress RF interference that the metal back might have generated. Apple dusted off some 6 month old designs, put in a new radio, some nice plastic, and the rest remains virtually the same. R&D costs surley did not exceed $100 Mil. Just can't see it.
The OS has gone through major revisions and there is the SDK. I have no idea how much that stuff costs. As for the HW, I can't wait until we can crack that puppy open and take a look.
It seems that they just crapped all over Tom Tom as well regarding GPS. See link: http://www.iClarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1334
There is always the possibility that TomTom may be working with Apple now but keeping it hush hush from here on out. If they aren't and no one else has such an app then this would help TomTom maintain it's business. I love my TomTom and hope they are working with Apple. If Apple added that to the SDK for no other reason that to hinder competition then there will legal problems.
buy the 16gb 3g and get my wife a used V1 iphone,(they will come down in price) then when there is a form factor change upgrade hers to that. i can save some money on the phone defer the cost of the increased data plan
i think a new form factor will be available near or after Christmas. SJ is following the ipod path